Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Benggaul]

*verbal diarrhea*

The solution to one side not "playing by the rules" is not "let's also not play by the rules". It's to hold them accountable for not doing so, and if that's not being done then start working at the local level to ensure that starts being the case in the future. Throwing a fucking tantrum and blaming "herp derp Lib Dems!" for not stooping to the same level as the GOP every time the GOP proves how terrible they are only serves to make you look like a fucking moron who slurps up the same propaganda bullshit that the GOP voters take from their elected officials. Grow the fuck up.

[Paranoid Android]

This is misplaced anger on your part, I think.

That's how the executive branch works. If Congress says to spend the money, he HAS to spend the money.

If the money is appropriated, there are only so many tools to delay or try to reallocate before he's legally obligated to spend the money. Congress controls the purse strings, the executive just spends the money allocated and doesn't have total control over that.
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Both of you Biden waved 27 laws for this to be built. Just say you can't and don't even try it in in courts. Let the Republicans fight this. It's easy.

I also posted for the love gawd, you think Trump would follow through with a appropriation like funding some social program. No.

Keep playing by the rules.

Just to end my discussion from what I read that if somehow those laws didn't stop or could be used by Biden. Then fine it's an "L". From what I have right now, seems Biden folded and I still stand by that Dems playing by the rules while Republicans don't is a losing strat.

I'm a shit eater!!!

Really?

Listen if you don't want to respect my discussion then don't change my quote into something you don't agree or just shit post. I discussed why and how Biden shouldn't I could be wrong but don't shit post.

/Ignore.

[Edge-]

Both of you Biden waved 27 laws for this to be built. Just say you can't and don't even try it in in courts. Let the Republicans fight this. It's easy.

Try what? What would Republicans even fight? They're not and wouldn't be involved in this legal battle.

The money is appropriated, and Biden is facing pressure from border-district Democrats in the House, some in vulnerable districts. Building limited fencing has never actually been "the problem", that was Trump's "THE WALL" and it always has been.

Again, I'm far less concerned with waivers for a smaller section of wall from this administration than I am from the prior administration basically ignoring rules around environmental impact studies etc. and just building without any consideration because the whole point was just to make a racist monument.

Still not super happy about it, doubt many folks are, but I don't live in those distracts so I've got less skin in this game.

I also posted for the love gawd, you think Trump would follow through with a appropriation like funding some social program. No.

Except that he did. Funding to Ukraine, which he wanted to withhold but was eventually forced to disburse because he was legally obligated to do so.

[Breccia]

I have said, as reluctantly as it was repeatedly, that the only issue I sided with Trump over Clinton was his stance on addictive drugs. Simply put, I figured his personal history with the matter would mean he would take action on the topic.

That didn't really pan out, and yes, I should have seen that coming.

FDA calls for cocaine, meth addiction treatments

The FDA’s draft guidance lays out the agency’s recommendations on the development of clinical trials for drugs aimed at treating moderate to severe cocaine use disorder, methamphetamine use disorder or prescription stimulant use disorder.

As there is currently no FDA-approved treatment for stimulant use disorder, the guidance noted that recommendations were based on “a number of uncertainties” when it came to what the best approach was.

“Currently there is no FDA-approved medication for stimulant use disorder. When finalized, we hope that the guidance will support the development of novel therapies that are critically needed to address treatment gaps,” said Marta Sokolowska, deputy center director for Substance Use and Behavioral Health under the FDA.

“The guidance is one of the actions within the agency’s Overdose Prevention Framework, which includes appropriate prescribing of prescription stimulants as well as development of evidence-based treatments for stimulant use disorder,” added Sokolowska.

Among the guidance, the FDA recommended conducting studies with people who had separate use disorders — meaning people with cocaine, methamphetamine and stimulant use disorders should be studied separately. The agency also advised that the trials should be randomized, double-blind and placebo-controlled, which is considered the “gold standard” of collecting evidence.

Even though urine toxicology testing has historically been used in stimulant use disorder trials to assess how participants respond to treatment, the FDA advised that others measurements be used as well. The FDA said urine toxicology tests don’t indicate “how the subject feels, functions, or survives.”

“We have previously advised that a sustained period of negative urine toxicology findings, indicating abstinence, could be a valid surrogate for clinical benefit,” the agency acknowledged. “However, FDA does not, and has not, advised that the only appropriate endpoint based on urine toxicology results is the number of subjects achieving complete abstinence.”

[Edge-]

Another example - Biden leaving Afghanistan in a hurry.

You think Biden, who has an eternal hard-on for the military, would want to put so many of our guys in harm's way?

Another good example that's specific for this administration, I didn't think of this one! Wild it was barely what, a few years ago?

[Edge-]

You can't ignore it as President.

I mean...you can...it's just disastrous because it leaves nations unable to trust the US government deals only theoretically would last as long as the president the deal was made with.

I'm being pedantic with this so don't @ me : P

[Paranoid Android]

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) denounced President Biden’s decision to continue border wall construction in his state, saying the move is not in line with his administration’s policies.

“I think this is all window dressing to pretend he cares,” Cruz said. trib.al/Tzj2VNP

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...6pxBuQJNg&s=19

This ass clown was performing theatre at the border multiple times goading Biden to take action. I'll be fair Texas is home state.

As predicted Biden builds wall, which many are against (cough) and not good enough. Dems never going to win on this

[diller]

Biden administration is resuming deportation flights for Venezuelan migrants as arrivals grow

More link dumping, why is this shit even allowed?

[Mekh]

I’m not aware of this being against the forum rules here? If it is, I can provide additional context, but I make an effort to avoid injecting my own personal opinions into articles that are more informative-based rather than opinion-driven.

"In order to post constructively and participate best in the discussion, I am electing to contribute absolutely nothing."

[Breccia]

U.S. economy adds staggering 336,000 jobs in September

Also, the trade gap is closing. As a reminder, Trump promised he would close the trade gap and didn't, even ignoring COVID. A lot can happen in a year, but Biden is on pace to return the trade gap to the point where Trump took office.

[Edge-]

U.S. economy adds staggering 336,000 jobs in September

Also, the trade gap is closing. As a reminder, Trump promised he would close the trade gap and didn't, even ignoring COVID. A lot can happen in a year, but Biden is on pace to return the trade gap to the point where Trump took office.

Hey, it's all those things that Donald said he'd do when the economy wasn't still in a weird spot recovering from a pandemic and then a mini-recession and pointless overspending by "fiscal conservatives"!

[gondrin]

This is seems confusing to me.

President Biden explains why border wall construction has begun in Texas citing this was already appropriated money for it. He also responded "no" to a question on whether border walls work.

Okay money appropriated. But how? Was this in the last budget? Likely I'm not breaking down the budget and sure the Republicans had to have some wall spending in there.


The Biden administration announces that it waived 26 federal laws in south Texas to permit more construction for the border wall after pressure from top Democratic officials to address the influx of migrants in the past year.

So this is the bullshit right here. He waved 26 laws which from reading has to do with environmental and people, places getting displaced. So he is doing the Republicans bidding? I mean if money is appropriated but you have to skirt or kill the laws the Eff It. Don't do it.

So he is going to build the wall. Trump will take credit and call Biden a cuck. Then conservatives will shit on Dems for being soft. I swear.

Sidenote: Yes fix any "crisis" you see at the border but do it through laws that Democrats deem fit.

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BREAKING - PART ONE: Karine Jean-Pierre struggles to explain why the Biden admin is now building the border wall, the same wall it blasted Trump for. Her explanation is that the Republicans have refused to reallocate the funds for the wall since 2019, now, four to five years later, Biden has to comply with the law and build physical barriers. Asked whether Biden is breaking his promises to voters not to build a border wall, his press secretary says he's complying with the law because the Republicans have failed to do the right thing. WATCH

ROFL! LIb shit Democrats. Hey people we have to play by the rules. Let's be civil people (while getting your teeth kicked in). This funding is from 2019?? Who says he has to comply. You think Republicans would comply of spending on some social program from 5 years ago. Effin Dems man!

Well, because he is required to use the money for its intended purposes. The president cannot redirect money from one project to another unless it was already appropriated towards that department.

I mean, he would have to use that money for the border. Nothing says he has to build any form of wall. I mean, he could put up guard rails, a small fence, motion sensors, the barricades police use.

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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...6pxBuQJNg&s=19

This ass clown was performing theatre at the border multiple times goading Biden to take action. I'll be fair Texas is home state.

As predicted Biden builds wall, which many are against (cough) and not good enough. Dems never going to win on this

I believe he is upset because he cannot easily travel to Cancun when Texas gets hit with bad weather.

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U.S. economy adds staggering 336,000 jobs in September

Also, the trade gap is closing. As a reminder, Trump promised he would close the trade gap and didn't, even ignoring COVID. A lot can happen in a year, but Biden is on pace to return the trade gap to the point where Trump took office.

I know where I am at, they are hiring a LOT of people. I mean, quite a few quit due to the nature of the work but the fact is we are hiring, at least, 10 - 15 people per week. And it is Costco so, the pay and benefits aren't the reason why people quit.

[diller]

That's better. But I'd also suggest this. I edited my reply to you, so you might have missed it:

You posted a link. No context. We have no idea if you agree with what was done in the article, disagree, partially agree/disagree, etc. No idea why you posted it. Basically, what are you trying to say when you post a link without comment?

Seems it's mostly when it thinks it's a 'gotcha' situation.

[The Stormbringer]

U.S. economy adds staggering 336,000 jobs in September

Also, the trade gap is closing. As a reminder, Trump promised he would close the trade gap and didn't, even ignoring COVID. A lot can happen in a year, but Biden is on pace to return the trade gap to the point where Trump took office.

It sucks that people will likely ignore this and only focus on inflation when making decisions at the next election. Because while yes, we all want the price of things to go down again and become more affordable (except people selling those things, I suppose), more people having jobs is very good, and also these things may indicate that some prices will be going down eventually.

TL;DR: I hope people don't swap us to Republican rule because things are rough now, despite all signs pointing to things consistently improving under Democratic rule.

[uuuhname]

This is seems confusing to me.

LMFAO

this post and the responses to it are the PERFECT encapsulation, a text book example of how liberals are going to do FUCK ALL to keep the fascists out of power.

first off: it's pretty obvious to anyone really paying attention that the end goals of liberals and fascists is ultimately the same. a white supremacist imperial power that can impose it's will on anyone and damn the consequences.

"oh I'm sorry, you're a peasant from south/central America? from a country where we just installed a puppet dictator that will give our corporations the power to extract your country's resources and quite literally assassinate anyone who complains? and you think your entitled to come here, looking for a better life? the fuck you are, you gross disgusting illegal from a shit hole country!"

"don't you understand how this works? WE get to impose our imperialist agenda onto you, because we can. and you get NOTHING, you deserve nothing. in fact you probably deserve death! why else are you trying to flee from a country we directly helped turn into a war zone?"

"I mean you CAN come here but only under the condition we treat you as a second class citizen whom we can toss out at anytime while you mow our lawns and clean our hotel rooms."

"otherwise: don't come, don't come!"

and of course the ever present pearl clutching over daring to call the institutions or, fuck off "decorum" therein into question. why would you do that? don't you understand the prestige and importance these institutions have! it's oh so important that we keep my~~~ er OUR positions in this society intact even as it's crumbling around us! probably because that comes with the assurance that even when the fascists take over MY status will remain mostly unchanged. or I'm just so fucking delusional I can see what happened in most of Europe during the 20th century like a gormless new born and act like it's never really happened before.

also ignore how we keep praising ancient Nazis. that's a mistake, we promise!

ya'll aren't road blocks to the march of fascism, you're a bunch of fucking door mats with "oh pretty PLEASE don't step on my face!" printed on them.

[Edge-]

first off: it's pretty obvious to anyone really paying attention that the end goals of liberals and fascists is ultimately the same. a white supremacist imperial power that can impose it's will on anyone and damn the consequences.

Uh...it is? Can you share some...well...anything to back that up? I'd like to think I'm pretty tuned in and paying attention and this is news to me.

"oh I'm sorry, you're a peasant from south/central America? from a country where we just installed a puppet dictator that will give our corporations the power to extract your country's resources and quite literally assassinate anyone who complains? and you think your entitled to come here, looking for a better life? the fuck you are, you gross disgusting illegal from a shit hole country!"

While you touch upon the pretty disastrous consequences of US meddling in central and southern American governments, you appear to be under the same misconception that POTUS has near limitless powers and can do what they want, when they want, because they want.

beyond this you're just vaguely making criticisms that I'm not sure have many connections beyond that they're broadly within the sphere of immigration

[uuuhname]

yes yes lets keep telling ourselves that signing off on the four wheeled fascists' from Texas's border plan isn't an endowment, totally different, giving the clear and giving an endorsement in this instance are TOTALLY DIFFRENT THINGS. I am a serious person with serious opinions, I swear.

[Edge-]

yes yes lets keep telling ourselves that signing off on the four wheeled fascists' from Texas's border plan isn't an endowment, totally different, giving the clear and giving an endorsement in this instance are TOTALLY DIFFRENT THINGS. I am a serious person with serious opinions, I swear.

Can you translate this into something that's a bit less hyperbolic and a bit more comprehensible?

[uuuhname]

I'm not the least bit obligated to turn down the hyperbole when it's 100% not acatully hyperbole. YOU can go ahead and explain to me why borders should exist, why a country that has spent the last century immiserating the global south is not the least bit obligated to help those it's harmed. explain that in a way that isn't inherently fascistic. have fun Edge.

[Edge-]

YOU can go ahead and explain to me why borders should exist why a country that has spent the last century immiserating the global south is not the least bit obligated to help those it's harmed.

That's an entirely different topic dude. And one I'm sure we agree far more than disagree on in a discussion of "oughts". Currently, this is a discussion of "is".

explain that in a way that isn't inherently fascistic. have fun Edge.

Because you have yet to establish how it is. It's not up to me to disprove your claim, it's up to you to prove it.