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    God if only the DNC were smart enough to do something like this. Ignoring that Michelle Obama has no desire to run this wouldn't happen. But Cruz is right about one thing - if it were to happen I feel pretty confident she's trounce Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    God if only the DNC were smart enough to do something like this. Ignoring that Michelle Obama has no desire to run this wouldn't happen. But Cruz is right about one thing - if it were to happen I feel pretty confident she's trounce Trump.
    They'd be smart to...ditch the incumbent president right before the official nomination and nominate someone else entirely who was never in the race to begin with at the convention?

    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    They'd be smart to...ditch the incumbent president right before the official nomination and nominate someone else entirely who was never in the race to begin with at the convention?
    Actually, having the Obamas endorse Biden would help. Yes, it's implied, but it would be a huge cheering moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    They'd be smart to...ditch the incumbent president right before the official nomination and nominate someone else entirely who was never in the race to begin with at the convention?

    What?
    To reframe - ditch the incumbent president with extremely low approval ratings and large concerns about his age with a candidate who is highly popular.

    Biden is not a strong candidate. I don't think you disagree with that part at least.

    But to get to what I'm guessing is underneath - the DNC pulling this sort of move undermining the voting base would likely come with backlash.

    But on the surface it's a good move. Just from a popularity perspective.
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    Biden, during tribute to Gen. Milley, says government shutdown would be 'dereliction of duty' to US troops

    From FOX News, *ding* for Milley and *ding* for shutdown, if they're going to put two stories in one headline I'm taking a point for each.

    If the House fails to fulfill its most basic function, if it fails to fund government by tomorrow, we will have failed all our troops. Our service members will keep upholding their oath. Showing up for work. Standing sentinel around the world. Keeping our country secure. But they won't get paid. It's a disgrace.

    If the House fails to fulfill its most basic function, if it fails to fund government by tomorrow, we will have failed all our troops. Our service members will keep upholding their oath. Showing up for work. Standing sentinel around the world. Keeping our country secure. But they won't get paid. It's a disgrace.
    "How dare Biden politicize this retirement!"

    Trump ordered him killed. Biden gets a pass for this epic troll move.

    During his tenure as chairman, Mark has been a steady hand guiding our military as we navigate what I would argue is one of the most complex security environments our world has faced in a long time. He's been critical to strengthen America's existing alliances from NATO to the Indo-Pacific, to building, to new strategic partnerships like AUKUS keeping our force at a cutting edge in the fields of cyber and space.

    Ending America's longest war and continuing to take terrorists off the battlefield. Standing with the brave people of Ukraine, making sure they have the equipment, the support they need when they need it, to defend their freedom
    One more *ding* for Space Force. If Trump made a big deal about it, it counts as a story for FOX News.

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    Biden orders flags to half-mast for Feinstein.

    As a mark of respect for the memory of Senator Dianne Feinstein, by the authority vested in me as President of the United States by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby order that the flag of the United States shall be flown at half-staff at the White House and upon all public buildings and grounds, at all military posts and naval stations, and on all naval vessels of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia and throughout the United States and its Territories and possessions until sunset, on the day of interment
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    Clinton has also spoken.

    I'm deeply saddened by the passing of Dianne Feinstein. She blazed trails for women in politics and found a life's calling in public service. I'll miss her greatly as a friend and colleague and send my condolences to all who loved her.
    So far, Trump has been silent. Well, no, he's giving a speech right now, but he's said nothing about Feinstein.

    His rabid fanbase has been less silent, but you already know what they're saying. It's deplorable.

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    Wait? An elected official doing his job to help and prevent disaster? Where does this Joe Biden think he is?

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    Garland was asked on 60 Minutes how he would react if Biden told him to go after Trump.

    Resign
    The AP gives more details but you get the idea.

    Attorney General Merrick Garland said in an interview that aired Sunday that he would resign if asked by President Joe Biden to take action against Trump. But he doesn’t think he’ll be put in that position.

    “I am sure that that will not happen, but I would not do anything in that regard,” he said on CBS “60 Minutes.” “And if necessary, I would resign. But there is no sense that anything like that will happen.”

    Garland has spoken only sparingly about the cases and reiterated Sunday he would not get into specifics, but dismissed claims by Trump and his supporters that the cases were timed to ruin his chances to be president in 2024.

    “Well, that’s absolutely not true. Justice Department prosecutors are nonpartisan. They don’t allow partisan considerations to play any role in their determinations,” Garland said.

    Garland said the president has never tried to meddle in the investigations, and he dismissed criticism from Republicans that he was going easy on the president’s son, Hunter, who was recently indicted on a gun charge after a plea deal in his tax case fell apart. Hunter Biden is due in a Delaware court this week.

    We do not have one rule for Republicans and another rule for Democrats. We don’t have one rule for foes and another for friends,” he said. ”We have only one rule; and that one rule is that we follow the facts and the law, and we reach the decisions required by the Constitution, and we protect civil liberties.”

    Garland choked up when talking about his concerns over violence, particularly as judges and prosecutors assigned to the Trump cases got death threats.

    “People can argue with each other as much as they want and as vociferously as they want. But the one thing they may not do is use violence and threats of violence to alter the outcome,” he said. “American people must protect each other. They must ensure that they treat each other with civility and kindness, listen to opposing views, argue as vociferously as they want, but refrain from violence and threats of violence. That’s the only way this democracy will survive.
    "Surely Garland is a lying partisan hack! Biden clearly gave him direct instructions and they're both denying it!"

    Interesting. Can you back that up with literally anything other than "Trump said so"?

    "No, it's just obvious! He's going after Trump who is clearly innocent!"

    The trials aren't over, most haven't started. How do you know Trump is innocent?

    "Because Trump said so!"

    Tell you what, you find the text or email or whatever that demonstrates your claim, like the texts and emails Agent Smith, NY and GA have. Then come back. Until then, we have someone overseeing a criminal being charged with crimes, which is only proof they're doing their job.

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    That’s something for House Republicans to figure out. What the president’s going to continue to do is deliver for the American people
    -- the WH official position on the McCarthy-Gaetz thing

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    WH press briefing interrupted by loud screeching noise on dozens of phones all at once.

    “Well, it works,” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said when the test interrupted questions at the press briefing. She noted that the test of the Integrated Public Alert and Warning System happens at least once every three years.

    The alarms prompted chuckles, and the noise continued throughout the White House press corps working area after the briefing as reporters who turned off their phones to attempt to avoid hearing the noise during the briefing turned them back on.
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    Biden administration waives 26 federal laws to allow border wall construction in South Texas

    "Whoa, that sounds really out of character."

    The Department of Homeland Security posted the announcement on the U.S. Federal Registry with few details outlining the construction in Starr County, Texas, which is part of a busy Border Patrol sector seeing “high illegal entry.” According to government data, about 245,000 illegal entries have been recorded in this region during the current fiscal year.

    “There is presently an acute and immediate need to construct physical barriers and roads in the vicinity of the border of the United States in order to prevent unlawful entries into the United States in the project areas,” Alejandro Mayorkas, the DHS secretary, stated in the notice.
    Yeah, remember how Republicans kept saying that Biden should be impeached for ignoring the border crisis? Boom.

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    We have an answer to the unusual Biden border wall move: he was required by law to do so.

    “The money was appropriated for the border wall. I tried to get them to reappropriate, to redirect that money. They didn’t. They wouldn’t,” he said. “In the meantime, there’s nothing under the law other than they have to use the money for what it was appropriated for. I can’t stop that.”

    Biden was asked whether he thought the border wall was effective and responded “no.”

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    This is seems confusing to me.

    President Biden explains why border wall construction has begun in Texas citing this was already appropriated money for it. He also responded "no" to a question on whether border walls work.

    Okay money appropriated. But how? Was this in the last budget? Likely I'm not breaking down the budget and sure the Republicans had to have some wall spending in there.


    The Biden administration announces that it waived 26 federal laws in south Texas to permit more construction for the border wall after pressure from top Democratic officials to address the influx of migrants in the past year.

    So this is the bullshit right here. He waved 26 laws which from reading has to do with environmental and people, places getting displaced. So he is doing the Republicans bidding? I mean if money is appropriated but you have to skirt or kill the laws the Eff It. Don't do it.

    So he is going to build the wall. Trump will take credit and call Biden a cuck. Then conservatives will shit on Dems for being soft. I swear.

    Sidenote: Yes fix any "crisis" you see at the border but do it through laws that Democrats deem fit.

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    BREAKING - PART ONE: Karine Jean-Pierre struggles to explain why the Biden admin is now building the border wall, the same wall it blasted Trump for. Her explanation is that the Republicans have refused to reallocate the funds for the wall since 2019, now, four to five years later, Biden has to comply with the law and build physical barriers. Asked whether Biden is breaking his promises to voters not to build a border wall, his press secretary says he's complying with the law because the Republicans have failed to do the right thing. WATCH

    ROFL! LIb shit Democrats. Hey people we have to play by the rules. Let's be civil people (while getting your teeth kicked in). This funding is from 2019?? Who says he has to comply. You think Republicans would comply of spending on some social program from 5 years ago. Effin Dems man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    ROFL! LIb shit Democrats. Hey people we have to play by the rules. Let's be civil people (while getting your teeth kicked in). This funding is from 2019?? Who says he has to comply. You think Republicans would comply of spending on some social program from 5 years ago. Effin Dems man!
    "They break the rules so we should too!" is just a fucking stupid take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    "They break the rules so we should too!" is just a fucking stupid take.
    It's increasingly hard to avoid the conclusion that people really just want a strong singular leader without too many limitations, on both sides of the isle. They don't say this explicitly (well Republicans do a bit more often), but that's the throughline.

    As if we don't have a very, very, very, very long history of that being a pretty bad idea and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    "They break the rules so we should too!" is just a fucking stupid take.
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    It's increasingly hard to avoid the conclusion that people really just want a strong singular leader without too many limitations, on both sides of the isle. They don't say this explicitly (well Republicans do a bit more often), but that's the throughline.

    As if we don't have a very, very, very, very long history of that being a pretty bad idea and all.
    You two are doing the Lib Dem crap of "let's play by the rules" while the other side is kicking in your teeth. Why do you want decorum and Biden to follow the rules on this. My goodness we just say McCarthy rat-fuck the Dems when they helped on CR. I know Edge agrees that if they voted for McCarthy they would rat-fuck the Dems again and not give them anything.

    My goodness I'm ashamed that you think I some authoritarian Prez. I just want the Democrats to play by the rules the Republicans are playing be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    You two are doing the Lib Dem crap of "let's play by the rules" while the other side is kicking in your teeth.
    If the money is appropriated, there are only so many tools to delay or try to reallocate before he's legally obligated to spend the money. Congress controls the purse strings, the executive just spends the money allocated and doesn't have total control over that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Why do you want decorum and Biden to follow the rules on this. My goodness we just say McCarthy rat-fuck the Dems when they helped on CR.
    Nobody is asking Democrats to give the Republicans anything for free or compromise with them on something, dude. This is an irrelevant comparison.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    My goodness I'm ashamed that you think I some authoritarian Prez. I just want the Democrats to play by the rules the Republicans are playing be.
    Again, you don't argue for it explicitly but that's an implicit throughline. Laws and rules be damned, separation of powers be damned, because this thing that we don't like is happening!

    The money was allocated by Congress as was their authority and the bill signed by then-president Donald. It sucks, but I don't believe the Executive branch actually has a play here to actually stop this from moving ahead eventually. I'm unsure on the waivers and all and will have to look into that a bit more, but I'm far less concerned with this administration working to build walls and fencing on the southern border than the prior one. We've all agreed that walls and fencing in some areas does make sense, just not that BIG BEAUTIFUL WALL FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA and stupid shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    *verbal diarrhea*
    The solution to one side not "playing by the rules" is not "let's also not play by the rules". It's to hold them accountable for not doing so, and if that's not being done then start working at the local level to ensure that starts being the case in the future. Throwing a fucking tantrum and blaming "herp derp Lib Dems!" for not stooping to the same level as the GOP every time the GOP proves how terrible they are only serves to make you look like a fucking moron who slurps up the same propaganda bullshit that the GOP voters take from their elected officials. Grow the fuck up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    This is misplaced anger on your part, I think.

    That's how the executive branch works. If Congress says to spend the money, he HAS to spend the money.
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    If the money is appropriated, there are only so many tools to delay or try to reallocate before he's legally obligated to spend the money. Congress controls the purse strings, the executive just spends the money allocated and doesn't have total control over that.
    .
    Both of you Biden waved 27 laws for this to be built. Just say you can't and don't even try it in in courts. Let the Republicans fight this. It's easy.

    I also posted for the love gawd, you think Trump would follow through with a appropriation like funding some social program. No.

    Keep playing by the rules.

    Just to end my discussion from what I read that if somehow those laws didn't stop or could be used by Biden. Then fine it's an "L". From what I have right now, seems Biden folded and I still stand by that Dems playing by the rules while Republicans don't is a losing strat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    I'm a shit eater!!!
    Really?

    Listen if you don't want to respect my discussion then don't change my quote into something you don't agree or just shit post. I discussed why and how Biden shouldn't I could be wrong but don't shit post.

    /Ignore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Both of you Biden waved 27 laws for this to be built. Just say you can't and don't even try it in in courts. Let the Republicans fight this. It's easy.
    Try what? What would Republicans even fight? They're not and wouldn't be involved in this legal battle.

    The money is appropriated, and Biden is facing pressure from border-district Democrats in the House, some in vulnerable districts. Building limited fencing has never actually been "the problem", that was Trump's "THE WALL" and it always has been.

    Again, I'm far less concerned with waivers for a smaller section of wall from this administration than I am from the prior administration basically ignoring rules around environmental impact studies etc. and just building without any consideration because the whole point was just to make a racist monument.

    Still not super happy about it, doubt many folks are, but I don't live in those distracts so I've got less skin in this game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    I also posted for the love gawd, you think Trump would follow through with a appropriation like funding some social program. No.
    Except that he did. Funding to Ukraine, which he wanted to withhold but was eventually forced to disburse because he was legally obligated to do so.

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    I have said, as reluctantly as it was repeatedly, that the only issue I sided with Trump over Clinton was his stance on addictive drugs. Simply put, I figured his personal history with the matter would mean he would take action on the topic.

    That didn't really pan out, and yes, I should have seen that coming.

    FDA calls for cocaine, meth addiction treatments

    The FDA’s draft guidance lays out the agency’s recommendations on the development of clinical trials for drugs aimed at treating moderate to severe cocaine use disorder, methamphetamine use disorder or prescription stimulant use disorder.

    As there is currently no FDA-approved treatment for stimulant use disorder, the guidance noted that recommendations were based on “a number of uncertainties” when it came to what the best approach was.

    “Currently there is no FDA-approved medication for stimulant use disorder. When finalized, we hope that the guidance will support the development of novel therapies that are critically needed to address treatment gaps,” said Marta Sokolowska, deputy center director for Substance Use and Behavioral Health under the FDA.

    “The guidance is one of the actions within the agency’s Overdose Prevention Framework, which includes appropriate prescribing of prescription stimulants as well as development of evidence-based treatments for stimulant use disorder,” added Sokolowska.

    Among the guidance, the FDA recommended conducting studies with people who had separate use disorders — meaning people with cocaine, methamphetamine and stimulant use disorders should be studied separately. The agency also advised that the trials should be randomized, double-blind and placebo-controlled, which is considered the “gold standard” of collecting evidence.

    Even though urine toxicology testing has historically been used in stimulant use disorder trials to assess how participants respond to treatment, the FDA advised that others measurements be used as well. The FDA said urine toxicology tests don’t indicate “how the subject feels, functions, or survives.”

    “We have previously advised that a sustained period of negative urine toxicology findings, indicating abstinence, could be a valid surrogate for clinical benefit,” the agency acknowledged. “However, FDA does not, and has not, advised that the only appropriate endpoint based on urine toxicology results is the number of subjects achieving complete abstinence.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    Another example - Biden leaving Afghanistan in a hurry.

    You think Biden, who has an eternal hard-on for the military, would want to put so many of our guys in harm's way?
    Another good example that's specific for this administration, I didn't think of this one! Wild it was barely what, a few years ago?

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