Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

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omfg. yes, the US sure has a problem with invading Mexican military forces... pouring over the border uncontested.

in which you're mistaking a general discussion about borders existing and their utility for a specific discussion of a border existing and ignoring anything outside of that singular fact

[Chonogo]

in which you're mistaking a general discussion about borders existing and their utility for a specific discussion of a border existing and ignoring anything outside of that singular fact

I think he needs a Snickers....

[uuuhname]

in which you're mistaking a general discussion about borders existing and their utility for a specific discussion of a border existing and ignoring anything outside of that singular fact

or maybe I simply don't give a fuck about any particular instance? oh wow that border sure did things to keep that invading army out, oh wow you sure don't use this entirely made up line in the sand to justify why some people simply don't deserve the things you have.

no no just ignore all the points in history where borders between tribes and states simply did not exist so I can win this argument on the internet.

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and oh wow look at that, get all bitchy about opinions on whether borders should exist cuz we can't actually talk about the politicians enacting polices that do nothing to address the issues they claim to care oh so much about which will lead to environmental damage and possibly human death. we can't ACTULLY talk about that cuz the libs will get sweaty having to defend Biden on this.

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or maybe I simply don't give a fuck about any particular instance? oh wow that border sure did things to keep that invading army out, oh wow you sure don't use this entirely made up line in the sand to justify why some people simply don't deserve the things you have.

It's almost like there are a helluva lot more reasons beyond military. Including things like keeping track of goods coming into the country and whatnot and allowing for inspections. You know, so people don't bring through huge trucks of invasive plants and animals and just release them into the US on the regular because ain't nobody out there checking to see of that big-rig hauling something into the US has its paperwork in order or check what it's hauling or anything else.

Just absolutely no imagination for why with how the world currently works there might be quite a lot of general public utility to borders even if we can agree that they have harms.

Which to go back to the bit about no imagination, I'll double down on and say that the problem isn't borders. It's policy around it. Borders existing, fencing existing etc. isn't actually inherently bad itself. You can have that while having policies that are welcoming for immigrants, refugees, and asylum seekers. That you don't think that's possible makes me think you haven't spent much time thinking and reading about this topic.

no no just ignore all the points in history where borders between tribes and states simply did not exist so I can win this argument on the internet.

I haven't the foggiest clue what you're getting at, here.

[uuuhname]

I'm simply going to point out I don't think nation states much less borders should exist and if you feel the need to address that particular part I CANNOT stress enough how little I give a fuck about your opinions on the matter.

so back to the topic of Biden signing off on legislation that will harm the environment, harm native places of relevance and actual people all to deal with issues entirely made up or a consequence of this country doing imperialism in Latin America.

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I'm simply going to point out I don't think nation states much less borders should exist and if you feel the need to address that particular part I CANNOT stress enough how little I give a fuck about your opinions on the matter.

Sir, this is the Biden/Harris thread. If you want to have a political discussion on borders (or nation states existence to begin with) specifically you can make a thread for it.

If you're not interested in discussion or others opinions, why are you here? Just to soapbox or something?

[uuuhname]

Sir, this is the Biden/Harris thread. If you want to have a political discussion on borders (or nation states existence to begin with) specifically you can make a thread for it.

If you're not interested in discussion or others opinions, why are you here? Just to soapbox or something?

so back to the topic of Biden signing off on legislation that will harm the environment, harm native places of relevance and actual people all to deal with issues entirely made up or a consequence of this country doing imperialism in Latin America.

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you're the ones who love to go on tangents on peoples personal opinions while ignoring the topic.

[Sunseeker]

I'm simply going to point out I don't think nation states much less borders should exist and if you feel the need to address that particular part I CANNOT stress enough how little I give a fuck about your opinions on the matter.

so back to the topic of Biden signing off on legislation that will harm the environment, harm native places of relevance and actual people all to deal with issues entirely made up or a consequence of this country doing imperialism in Latin America.

You don't think people with a shared cultural, ethic, ideological, or other element should get together and form stable groups where they can all operate under in a manner they find agreeable?

See, I totally get "free borders". If you don't like it where you are, you should be able to freely move to somewhere you like better. With people you like better. With ideas you like better. With jobs you like better. Makes sense.

But your argument turns into silliness when you say "nation states shouldn't exist", because you're pretty much arguing against the fundamental social-organizational nature of humanity, and you sound stupid. Like, it sounds like you don't understand humanity at all, and probably shouldn't be discussing issues relating to it.

[Chonogo]

you're the ones who love to go on tangents on peoples personal opinions while ignoring the topic.

You called me (and others) fascists for not losing our fucking minds because Biden had to follow the rules of society.

I'm gonna defend myself.

[uuuhname]

You called me (and others) fascists for not losing our fucking minds because Biden had to follow the rules of society.

I'm gonna defend myself.

lol ok peanut gallery.

I'd love to see what the reactions were from you clowns when Trump was all on his border wall nonsense.

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also I don't recall naming a single person in this thread a fascist so not sure what I'm supposed to gleam from this outburst other than, "a hit dog hollers."

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lol ok peanut gallery.

I'd love to see what the reactions were from you clowns when Trump was all on his border wall nonsense.

It's almost as if context matters...

Biden didn't campaign on building walls and isn't out there spending most of his time trying to get the money to build his walls, bro. We've discussed some of the "whys" in terms of money being allocated for it and pressure from members of his own party who have districts in that area/on the border. We don't have to be thrilled with it and I'd challenge you to find anyone in this thread who's jazzed or anything but critical of the move, but we can understand why while also acknowledging that it's not exactly a huge chunk of land that it's being built across and not the end of the world.

[uuuhname]

Biden didn't campaign on building walls and isn't out there spending most of his time trying to get the money to build his walls, bro..

oh wow, oh what a good boy Joey is then, all is forgiven! no really this convinced me!

convinced me this country is fucking joke, a cruel sick joke.

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oh wow, oh what a good boy Joey is then, all is forgiven! no really this convinced me!

convinced me this country is fucking joke, a cruel sick joke.

Ah, right. Forgot you're not interested in discussion but just endless gotchas. I'll leave you to your soapbox, then.

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@uuuhname Borders exist because people in countries want those borders to exist. They serve as a sign that limits what other countries can and cannot do, like... not having troops of a hostile nation crossing over and conducting "training exercises" next to your people. Borders also exist because then you can pass laws to say what can and cannot be done in your territory. If there's no borders, then you're also effectively waiving away the right to enforce laws, since anyone can come and go as they please. You also can't, y'know, keep track of who is entering and leaving your country without borders. Not that we do a perfect job of that to begin with, but something is better than nothing.

I get the feeling you're an anarcho communist and believe that everything would work out without governments or hierarchies or people in power. I could be wrong about that, of course.

Focusing on borders is a red herring, anyway.

There's a massive refugee crisis, globally, for pretty much exactly one reason; global capitalism. Global capitalism is both creating problems by driving factors that trigger refugee flight, and is also responsible for the entire explanation of why refugee populations can't be housed in recipient countries.

The whole thing largely boils down to "we can't build enough emergency/low-income housing to handle the influx because we haven't figured out how us rich capitalist fucks can profit off this specific human misery, yet". The capacity is there, or at least could be developed pretty quickly (as in, we've had more than enough time already). But rich assholes can't make money off it, so they don't bother. So they spend money lobbying for measures that let them continue to focus on their self-enrichment rather than what's good for those in need.

A lot of the hate gets inflamed deliberately because that's something those rich fucks can sell to the mouthbreathers, because they sure wouldn't support the financially exploitative reasons, which aren't in those mouthbreathers' interests either.

And yes; the Democrats are also driven by capitalism, as much as the Republicans. That's why neither supports a big influx of immigrants, though they're not equally culpable here.

[Chonogo]

lol ok peanut gallery.

I responded to you every time. You chose not to respond back until now. Eat a snickers bar.

I'd love to see what the reactions were from you clowns when Trump was all on his border wall nonsense.

Doing the job because society says that you have to do the job is not the same thing as supporting the building of a wall. In the current case, it's 17 fucking miles and has been determined to be an emergency. And it's not 17 miles of wall. Roads are part of the mitigation process to handle the emergency.

Everyone in this discussion agrees that building a wall is stupid.

Have a snickers bar.

lol ok peanut gallery.
also I don't recall naming a single person in this thread a fascist so not sure what I'm supposed to gleam from this outburst other than, "a hit dog hollers."

LMFAO

this post and the responses to it are the PERFECT encapsulation, a text book example of how liberals are going to do FUCK ALL to keep the fascists out of power.

first off: it's pretty obvious to anyone really paying attention that the end goals of liberals and fascists is ultimately the same. a white supremacist imperial power that can impose it's will on anyone and damn the consequences.

"oh I'm sorry, you're a peasant from south/central America? from a country where we just installed a puppet dictator that will give our corporations the power to extract your country's resources and quite literally assassinate anyone who complains? and you think your entitled to come here, looking for a better life? the fuck you are, you gross disgusting illegal from a shit hole country!"

"don't you understand how this works? WE get to impose our imperialist agenda onto you, because we can. and you get NOTHING, you deserve nothing. in fact you probably deserve death! why else are you trying to flee from a country we directly helped turn into a war zone?"

"I mean you CAN come here but only under the condition we treat you as a second class citizen whom we can toss out at anytime while you mow our lawns and clean our hotel rooms."

"otherwise: don't come, don't come!"

and of course the ever present pearl clutching over daring to call the institutions or, fuck off "decorum" therein into question. why would you do that? don't you understand the prestige and importance these institutions have! it's oh so important that we keep my~~~ er OUR positions in this society intact even as it's crumbling around us! probably because that comes with the assurance that even when the fascists take over MY status will remain mostly unchanged. or I'm just so fucking delusional I can see what happened in most of Europe during the 20th century like a gormless new born and act like it's never really happened before.

also ignore how we keep praising ancient Nazis. that's a mistake, we promise!

ya'll aren't road blocks to the march of fascism, you're a bunch of fucking door mats with "oh pretty PLEASE don't step on my face!" printed on them.

What were you saying? Either go eat a snickers or go out and understand how the world works before you attempt to harass people that are following the rules even though we hate what the rules are making us do. Some call that society. I call that fucking reality.

[The Stormbringer]

I'm simply going to point out I don't think nation states much less borders should exist and if you feel the need to address that particular part I CANNOT stress enough how little I give a fuck about your opinions on the matter.

so back to the topic of Biden signing off on legislation that will harm the environment, harm native places of relevance and actual people all to deal with issues entirely made up or a consequence of this country doing imperialism in Latin America.

He has no choice. The appropriations made for the expansion of the wall were approved back in 2019. He literally can't do anything about it, unless you're saying he should defy Congress?

[unfilteredJW]

That's better. But I'd also suggest this. I edited my reply to you, so you might have missed it:

You posted a link. No context. We have no idea if you agree with what was done in the article, disagree, partially agree/disagree, etc. No idea why you posted it. Basically, what are you trying to say when you post a link without comment?

That's because she's actively astroturfing.

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I really don't understand why Dems always have to follow the rules, but never Republicans.

That's a question for the guy in the mirror. Yikes.

[masterhorus8]

I responded to you every time. You chose not to respond back until now. Eat a snickers bar.


Doing the job because society says that you have to do the job is not the same thing as supporting the building of a wall. In the current case, it's 17 fucking miles and has been determined to be an emergency. And it's not 17 miles of wall. Roads are part of the mitigation process to handle the emergency.

Everyone in this discussion agrees that building a wall is stupid.

Have a snickers bar.





What were you saying? Either go eat a snickers or go out and understand how the world works before you attempt to harass people that are following the rules even though we hate what the rules are making us do. Some call that society. I call that fucking reality.

Dude, stop... You're making me want a snickers.

[jonnysensible]

welp there is about to be a crisis in the middle east for biden.

fuck those terrorist scum

[gondrin]

omfg. yes, the US sure has a problem with invading Mexican military forces... pouring over the border uncontested.

Ok, prove that borders, in general, are a unique thing to the US. Prove that they are also fascist in nature.

Question, do you have a house or a home of some sort? Do you allow people, anyone and everyone, to freely come and go or do you keep your doors closed and check to see who comes by them knocking?