1. #16861
    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    I linked the article. Obviously if Dems are balking at, you think it's reasonable?

    I heard Republicans basically want closed border and roundups. You think Republicans are going to be nice.

    They want no asylum, no aid etc.
    So, which demands do you think are unreasonable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by diller View Post
    Even this morn got it right

    This was correct in 1984 and is egregiously wrong in 2024.




    The whole inverted population pyramid thing is working out poorly for the outlook of Social Security. The solutions aren't complicated, but they do require some combination of increased tax rate, increasing the cap on the tax, cutting benefits, or increasing the retirement age. This does not project as a solvent fund with current policies.

  2. #16862
    Quote Originally Posted by Surfd View Post
    Oh fuck off with this nonsense. US aid to "foreign friends and allies" is fucking pocket change to the American Military Budget. It's the equivalent of what they lose in the sofa cushions. Anyone who honestly believes that US military spending on Ukraine or any other foreign program is somehow preventing the government from finding money to invest in Border programs is an imbecile. And yes, I am looking directly at you as I say that, tehdang. Don't be a fucking moron, it's not a good look.
    I wish you luck in your search for whoever said its "preventing the government from finding money to invest in Border programs." Also, it's possible to make comparisons that aren't "For every spending bill, we have to hold it alongside the DoD budget and point and gasp." This is a political calculation and horse-trading. The border's in a sorry state. Crossings broke records this year, and for one sector they just broke weekly total two weeks in a row. The broken asylum application process is causing a catch-and-release policy. This can be fixed while pairing domestic border security with the wars and border security of our friends overseas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    The whole inverted population pyramid thing is working out poorly for the outlook of Social Security. The solutions aren't complicated, but they do require some combination of increased tax rate, increasing the cap on the tax, cutting benefits, or increasing the retirement age. This does not project as a solvent fund with current policies.
    If I take Surfd's logic to its natural conclusion, I'd say, using his language, "The American Military Budget is fucking pocket change compared to entitlement and welfare spending. It's the equivalent of what they lose in the sofa cushions. I am looking directly at you as I say that. Don't be a fucking moron, it's not a good look."
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  3. #16863
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    So, which demands do you think are unreasonable?

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    This was correct in 1984 and is egregiously wrong in 2024.




    The whole inverted population pyramid thing is working out poorly for the outlook of Social Security. The solutions aren't complicated, but they do require some combination of increased tax rate, increasing the cap on the tax, cutting benefits, or increasing the retirement age. This does not project as a solvent fund with current policies.
    Do you know why it's insolvent? It's because its capped at 164k or whatever for paying into social security. When you have people making 40 million a year, and they only pay into it up to 168k, its kinda sad.

  4. #16864
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Do you know why it's insolvent? It's because its capped at 164k or whatever for paying into social security. When you have people making 40 million a year, and they only pay into it up to 168k, its kinda sad.
    Yes, I know that this is one balancing option, which is why I literally wrote as much in the post you replied to.

  5. #16865
    https://www.axios.com/2023/12/12/bid...-viktor-shokin

    Granted we knew this would be a sham that goes nowhere, but boy howdy is it especially stupid.

    House Judiciary Chair Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) confirmed as much last week, telling reporters that possible "impeachable offenses" mainly center on the alleged "quid pro quo" in Ukraine in early 2016.

    Republicans say then-Vice President Biden freelanced by withholding a $1 billion U.S. loan guarantee until Ukraine fired prosecutor general Viktor Shokin — and that he did so to protect his son Hunter, who was on the board of Ukrainian gas company Burisma.
    That's the basis for their impeachment inquiry, apparently.

    Probably is...

    The facts surrounding the Bidens, Burisma and Shokin have been well-established over the course of two major congressional investigations: the first impeachment of former President Trump and a Senate probe led by Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Ron Johnson (R-Wis.).

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    But Shokin's deputy says the office was not investigating Burisma at the time, and the Senate report found no evidence that Hunter Biden's board position — while highly unethical — influenced U.S. policy.
    One of their own parties Senators led an investigation into this already and didn't find anything.

    Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch was one of four Trump impeachment witnesses who testified that it was "official U.S. policy" — supported by international stakeholders — to push for Shokin's removal.
    Plus like, multiple government officials, under oath, testifying that pushing for Shokin's removal was literally just the policy of the United States of America and many western nations, too.

    Trump's former special envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker — a Republican-called witness — testified that the allegations against Biden were "not credible" and that Shokin's firing "was widely understood internationally to be the right policy."
    Including a Trump appointee.

    At least five more State Department witnesses — Geoffrey Pyatt, Amos Hochstein, Victoria Nuland, David Wade and Antony Blinken — independently confirmed those facts in the 2020 Senate investigation.
    Oh, and another five government employees. FYI - government employees, at least outside of the Trump administration, largely are pretty boring, serious folks who go to some lengths to abide by the law given how much scrutiny they're constantly under. Especially like, perjuring themselves which is really obvious and bad.

    Boy, this is gonna be all kinds of extra stupid. I do hope it's very embarrassing for Senate Republicans. Very embarrassing indeed.

  6. #16866
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Boy, this is gonna be all kinds of extra stupid. I do hope it's very embarrassing for Senate Republicans. Very embarrassing indeed.
    Eh, it's pretty on brand for them really. If they repeat it loudly enough and long enough it doesn't even matter that it's absurd, people just start assuming there must be something to it... see the 20 Benghazi investigations that helped poison Hillary's candidacy.

  7. #16867
    It's funny how the Republicans are suddenly enormously concerned about the President benefiting from the foreign dealings of family members when they gave zero shits about it while Trump was in office and Kushner/Ivanka pushed various schemes while employed at the White House.

    The rampant corruption is just sad.

  8. #16868
    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics...ig-price-jumps

    Hundreds of thousands of older Americans could pay less for some of their outpatient drug treatments beginning early next year, the Biden administration announced Thursday.

    The White House unveiled a list of 48 drugs — some of them injectables used to treat cancer — whose prices increased faster than the rate of inflation this year. Under a new law, drugmakers will have to pay rebates to the federal government because of those price increases. The money will be used to lower the price Medicare enrollees pay on the drugs early next year.

    This is the first time drugmakers will have to pay the penalties for outpatient drug treatments under the Inflation Reduction Act, passed by Congress last year. The rebates will translate into a wide range of savings — from as little as $1 to as much as $2,700 — on the drugs that the White House estimates are used every year by 750,000 older Americans.
    Dank Robinette delivering for some senior citizens on fixed info.

    https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/statu...18507279024210

    Oh no. We’ve upset Big Pharma again.
    This would be yet another loss for American patients who rely on public-private sector collaboration to advance new treatments and cures. The Administration is sending us back to a time when government research sat on a shelf, not benefitting anyone.
    QQ more, pharma bros.

  9. #16869
    https://twitter.com/FLOTUS/status/1735074586721468855

    Here's a fun, joyful video leaning into the holiday spirit with some really great choreography and tap dancing from the White House. One would thing, especially given the fairly overt Christmas imagery, that this should be fairly inoffensive.

    Depressingly, this video has unleashed a great triggering of Twitter conservatives. One of the most common "complaints" is that the video is "gay" which...technically yes, it is. It's a pretty lighthearted, carefree video. Now we know that's not the definition that they're using, they're choosing to use it as a homophobic slur. But I'd just like to point out they're right without realizing it. Again another drop in the bucket for my ongoing thesis, "Conservatives are generally only capable of unintentional comedy."

  10. #16870
    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    Tap dancing isn't my cup of tea, but I'm curious what they're complaining about? I'm not a Twitter subscriber so I can't see the comments, thankfully.

    Looks pretty harmless to me.
    I'm generally not a fan of Salon's angles, but they seem to cover a good chunk of it with links to some of the triggered tweets from the usual suspects (libsoftiktok etc.) - https://www.salon.com/2023/12/18/rig...hates-america/

    In case you're interested. Otherwise yeah, inoffensive at worst.

  11. #16871
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I'm generally not a fan of Salon's angles, but they seem to cover a good chunk of it with links to some of the triggered tweets from the usual suspects (libsoftiktok etc.) - https://www.salon.com/2023/12/18/rig...hates-america/

    In case you're interested. Otherwise yeah, inoffensive at worst.
    Please. A black woman SMILING and some jazz? That is possibly one of the worst things you can show a MAGA follower. Can't have a person of color being happy. Might as well as take their guns away as offensive at it is to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I'm generally not a fan of Salon's angles, but they seem to cover a good chunk of it with links to some of the triggered tweets from the usual suspects (libsoftiktok etc.) - https://www.salon.com/2023/12/18/rig...hates-america/

    In case you're interested. Otherwise yeah, inoffensive at worst.
    ... OK that was just hilarious
    I almost clicked on the X on the embedded tweet to close an add.
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  13. #16873
    So I know there's been a lot of pearl clutching, maybe rightly so, about younger voters souring on Biden and all.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...er-biden-poll/

    In the Economist/YouGov poll — conducted via web-based interviews Dec. 16-18 — more than half (53 percent) of registered voters under 30 said they would support Biden, and less than a quarter (24 percent) said they would support Trump.

    Another 10 percent said they would support another candidate, 4 percent said they were not sure, and 9 percent said they wouldn’t vote.
    The kids are alright.

    Among registered voters 30–44 years old, Biden still leads but by a slimmer margin; 49 percent support Biden, and 38 percent support Trump.

    The trend reverses for older age brackets. Among registered voters ages 45–64, 39 percent support Biden, and 47 percent support Trump. Among registered voters 65 and over, 36 percent support Biden, and 53 percent support Trump.
    However it gets sketchier and sketchier as you get older.

    This poll departs from other polls released this week that showed Biden more popular among older Americans. A New York Times/Siena College poll released Tuesday showed Trump ahead of Biden by 6 points among registered voters under 30.
    This is notable, so grains of salt all around and such.

  14. #16874
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    This is notable, so grains of salt all around and such.
    It's a poll for an election that's not happening for nearly another year in an era where polls have been less and less reliable, so I'm not sure there's quite enough salt to go 'round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    If I take Surfd's logic to its natural conclusion, I'd say, using his language, "The American Military Budget is fucking pocket change compared to entitlement and welfare spending. It's the equivalent of what they lose in the sofa cushions. I am looking directly at you as I say that. Don't be a fucking moron, it's not a good look."
    Narrator: "What the dishonest conservative was hoping nobody in the audience would realise is that criticism of defense spending has to do with what the money is being spent on; spending money helping to mitigate poverty and spending money to drop bombs on brown people are not ethically similar ends regardless of the quantities of money involved."
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  16. #16876
    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    It's a poll for an election that's not happening for nearly another year in an era where polls have been less and less reliable, so I'm not sure there's quite enough salt to go 'round.
    Yep. Many things can change.

    One of Democrats biggest problem is the perception that, despite all the good numbers, the economy sucks. Here is one more good number.

    Revisions to gross domestic product figures published Thursday offered more good news: The core PCE price index increased at a 2% annual rate in the third quarter, the slowest since the end of 2020.

    “Far from facing a widely expected ‘last mile’ problem, core PCE inflation appears to have slowed” from 4% annualized in the first half of 2023 to 1.9% in the second half of the year, Goldman Sachs economists led by Jan Hatzius said in a Dec. 13 note to clients.


    Somehow, despite all odds, the Fed managed to lower inflation without crashing the red-hot economy. I don't think this has ever been done before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    One of Democrats biggest problem is the perception that, despite all the good numbers, the economy sucks.
    Unfortunately, that's only something that time can change, though if the Dems were a little more vocal about their wins I'm sure it'd help a little. People will begin slowly noticing maybe after the Holidays or after tax season, I imagine. The hope is that things can continue gently trending upwards for the economy throughout all of next year, and maybe then people will think, "Yeah, this is actually okay. "

  18. #16878
    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    The problem comes in not dumbing it all down for the average consumer. All they care about is the rising prices of goods and services and they want prices down NOW...and even when prices start dipping they complain that it's not down enough. Chalk it up to not realising what a shitty system capitalism is for a developed country (although it's excellent for jump-starting the economy of a new one).

  19. #16879
    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    Yep. Many things can change.

    One of Democrats biggest problem is the perception that, despite all the good numbers, the economy sucks.
    I don't think it's perception it's a combination of decades of bad policies that have crushed the average person combined with the shrinking of the safety net once COVID measures expired. Biden's messaging on the economy is all wrong you should never go with everything is awesome, democratic voters aren't Trumpers.

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    The problem is, people are much more likely to notice when things get worse compared to when things get better.

    It also doesn't help that news media like to focus on stories of economic downturns regardless of how little or how widespread, but will only cover positive development when it's a big positive

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