Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Sunseeker]

While I VASTLY prefer gas stoves to electric, electric is just soooooo much easier, to install, to build new homes with, to replace and generally to clean.

Also christ I thought people had forgotten about this already.

[Dontrike]

While I VASTLY prefer gas stoves to electric, electric is just soooooo much easier, to install, to build new homes with, to replace and generally to clean.

Also christ I thought people had forgotten about this already.

Can't forget with the perpetual fear machine that Republicans keep going.

[Breccia]

Also christ I thought people had forgotten about this already.

The Republican Party is desperate for anything remotely like a policy win. @Dontrike is correct.

That said, it has been a hot minute since Trump complained about water pressure. Oddly enough, that was one Biden actually did do.

[Sunseeker]

Can't forget with the perpetual fear machine that Republicans keep going.

Yeah, I was unfortunately reminded of this with their success afainst DEI, they're now on to ESG. Its a new day, its a new thing to get angry over.

[Muzjhath]

While I VASTLY prefer gas stoves to electric, electric is just soooooo much easier, to install, to build new homes with, to replace and generally to clean.

Also christ I thought people had forgotten about this already.

Don't forget electric has cheaper infrastructure costs.
One less pipe in the neighbourhood.

[Sunseeker]

Don't forget electric has cheaper infrastructure costs.
One less pipe in the neighbourhood.

Yep, I meant that as part of "easier to build new homes". Theres just so much problematic about gas lines, I always hated having to install them. Flexible water-line hosing was a fucking godsend. Sure there are problems, as with any kind of piping. But the gain IMO far supasses the loss.

Which, much as I like gas stoves for their more consistent heat output, the pros to electric just completely outweigh the pros to gas.

Frankly, Im amazed theyre building new developments with gas at all. There are what, 2-4 devices in a home that use it?(furnace, stove, fireplace, water heater) and all of those can be handled by electric? And they're cheaper? And sticking to one fuel type eliminates the need for additional costs for a different set of professionals?

And to top it off if you go all in on electric, you can power your home completely off-grid?

The pros just keep piling up and gas doesnt have anything to really keep up. Even originally low gas prices arent holding up.

[Spectral]

Are we doing the "no one's trying to ban your gas stove, and it will be good when they do" thing again?

[Kaleredar]

Are we doing the "no one's trying to ban your gas stove, and it will be good when they do" thing again?

I dunno, are we doing the “blame the Biden administration for something taken out of context that’s ultimately trivial anyway because we have nothing on him compared to the legal dumpster fire that is the GOP nominee” again?

Let me know before I go buy a hamburger and some lumber; I hear those things can bankrupt you now days. Maybe the answers are on hunter’s laptop.

[Spectral]

I dunno, are we doing the “blame the Biden administration for something taken out of context that’s ultimately trivial anyway because we have nothing on him compared to the legal dumpster fire that is the GOP nominee” again?

So, yeah, basically. No one wants to ban gas stoves, but they should ban gas stoves, and who cares anyway. Got it.

[Muzjhath]

Yep, I meant that as part of "easier to build new homes". Theres just so much problematic about gas lines, I always hated having to install them. Flexible water-line hosing was a fucking godsend. Sure there are problems, as with any kind of piping. But the gain IMO far supasses the loss.

Which, much as I like gas stoves for their more consistent heat output, the pros to electric just completely outweigh the pros to gas.

Frankly, Im amazed theyre building new developments with gas at all. There are what, 2-4 devices in a home that use it?(furnace, stove, fireplace, water heater) and all of those can be handled by electric? And they're cheaper? And sticking to one fuel type eliminates the need for additional costs for a different set of professionals?

And to top it off if you go all in on electric, you can power your home completely off-grid?

The pros just keep piling up and gas doesnt have anything to really keep up. Even originally low gas prices arent holding up.

Before induction I wanted a gas stove. Now I want induction.
The same precision of heat with far less energy loss. I want to heat my food, not my house.

But yeah, gas has some uses. Especially if you can have an external gas tank connected so that you can supply it even when major outages happen.

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So, yeah, basically. No one wants to ban gas stoves, but they should ban gas stoves, and who cares anyway. Got it.

No one is saying you should. Mostly pointing out that the economic incentive for gas stoves in new developments is mostly not there as it's just an added cost for the developer.

[Edge-]

So, yeah, basically. No one wants to ban gas stoves, but they should ban gas stoves, and who cares anyway. Got it.

Damn, can you quote that person?

[Spectral]

Damn, can you quote that person?

If you think it's unnecessarily snarky, let's see which part you disagree with.

Have you seen it suggested that there isn't really an effort to ban gas stoves?
Do you think there is an ongoing effort to ban gas stoves in state governments and the EPA?
Is this frequently framed a trivial issue that no one should really care about anyway?

[Edge-]

If you think it's unnecessarily snarky, let's see which part you disagree with.

Damn, so I guess nobody is actually talking about that since you seem unable to provide a quotation. I'm not remotely surprised, but still disappointed.

[Spectral]

Damn, so I guess nobody is actually talking about that since you seem unable to provide a quotation. I'm not remotely surprised, but still disappointed.

I'm sorry that you're unable to parse pretty straightforward commentary

Anyway, what do you think - would it be a bad thing to ban gas stoves in new builds? Or a good thing?

[Edge-]

I'm sorry that you're unable to parse pretty straightforward commentary

I was asking for what you were basing that commentary on since I've been engaged in this discussion since the start (I posted the news story!) and nobody has been discussing anything in relation to bans on gas stoves beyond mocking the Republican meltdown over it.

What did happen was a discussion on the upsides and downsides of gas lines for houses, both in terms of construction/maintenance and outcomes depending on if one were to use gas vs. electric. If you interpreted more in that discussion then I think that's entirely you reading things that were never written. As evidenced by your lack of ability to point to the posts that this yours was apparently commentary on.

Anyway, what do you think - would it be a bad thing to ban gas stoves in new builds? Or a good thing?

I think that's not a relevant question since there's no possibility of a rule on that so this is a really fun game where the way you win is by not playing it. We deal with reality, not the fantasies of conservatives with persecution fetishes (lawmakers, not folks in this thread).

[Endus]

Why would anyone get up in arms even if places were banning gas stoves? I did a quick check and it seems to just be New York, and just for new developments. Which makes sense.

They aren't banned here in Ontario, though gas stoves aren't particularly common, and we're due to replace our gas water heater with an electric this spring. But I don't see why anyone would pick that hill to die on.

[Spectral]

Why would anyone get up in arms even if places were banning gas stoves? I did a quick check and it seems to just be New York, and just for new developments. Which makes sense.

They aren't banned here in Ontario, though gas stoves aren't particularly common, and we're due to replace our gas water heater with an electric this spring. But I don't see why anyone would pick that hill to die on.

Here are the three elements I mentioned, in one post. Almost no one wants to ban stoves, but it makes sense to ban them in new developments, and besides, who cares anyway?

If that's your position, you can just hold it, you don't have to do the Edge thing and pretend to be puzzled by where anyone's saying that.

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I think that's not a relevant question since there's no possibility of a rule on that so this is a really fun game where the way you win is by not playing it. We deal with reality, not the fantasies of conservatives with persecution fetishes (lawmakers, not folks in this thread).

I can't tell - do you think that no one wants to ban gas stoves or that it would be good if they did? This really isn't that hard, you can take an actual position, I know you can do it!

[Edge-]

https://www.axios.com/2024/01/31/us-...gdp-g7-nations

BTW, the "Biden economy" continues to do incredibly and outperform other developed nations globally in terms of GDP growth.

The United States economy grew faster than any other large advanced economy last year — by a wide margin — and is on track to do so again in 2024.

Why it matters: America's outperformance is rooted in its distinctive structural strengths, policy choices, and some luck. It reflects a fundamental resilience in the world's largest economy that is easy to overlook amid the nation's problems.

[Rasulis]

Which, much as I like gas stoves for their more consistent heat output, the pros to electric just completely outweigh the pros to gas.

We switched from natural gas to induction. My wife and I like induction stove much better than gas.

[Sunseeker]

We switched from natural gas to induction. My wife and I like induction stove much better than gas.

I was resistant for a long time, and my apartment experience with the shittiest electric stoves was expectedly shitty. But after upgrading my old home stove recently I am really impressed with where electric has gotten to.