Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Elegiac]

No guys, Biden should totally be taking electoral advice from the same dude responsible for this gem:

The red wave isn't just something that happens, it's something we're doing.

[postman1782]

His ego?

He's making the same mistake RBG did - not stepping aside soon enough. And just as in RBG's case, there will be consequences.

Imagine being even MORE unpopular than Trump...and this is your nominee for President?

And people need to stop talking about 2020 - that might as well have been a lifetime ago. And Biden is literally deteriorating/decaying in front of our eyes with every cringe-worthy press conference.

Biden is sleep walking us into a Trump landslide victory.

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wE GoT ThEm tHiS TiMe, GuYs

I can pretty much guarantee that Trump will NEVER be president again. Especially after the shitshow that was the Santos seat election. They had polls of the Republican woman up 8 points, she lost by 8 points in the election. Every election since 2018, Democrats have outdone the polling and elections by an average of 11 points.

Now, keep in mind, that Trump is objectively worse cognitively than Biden is. He literally just called his fucking wife Mercedes for fucks sake.

[ringpriest]

I can pretty much guarantee that Trump will NEVER be president again. Especially after the shitshow that was the Santos seat election. They had polls of the Republican woman up 8 points, she lost by 8 points in the election. Every election since 2018, Democrats have outdone the polling and elections by an average of 11 points.

Trump is reliably underperforming his primary polling by about 6 points. Primaries are not the general election, but it is not a good sign for him (or for the accuracy of 2024 polling).

[postman1782]

Trump is reliably underperforming his primary polling by about 6 points. Primaries are not the general election, but it is not a good sign for him (or for the accuracy of 2024 polling).

Not to mention, a sizable portion of Nikki Haley's voters, have already said they will vote for Biden instead of Trump.

This is from the Iowa caucus on 1/14/24, 43% of Haley's voters in Iowa would vote Biden if Haley isn't the Nominee.

https://thehill.com/elections/440807...ump-iowa-poll/

[Paranoid Android]

Biden says he’s sorry to hear McConnell stepping down: He ‘never misrepresented anything’

“I’m sorry to hear McConnell stepped down. … I’ve trusted him, and we have a great relationship. We fight like hell. But he has never, never, never misrepresented anything. I’m sorry to hear he’s stepping down,” Biden said of his former longtime colleague in the Senate.

Come the bleep on Biden. Why? This is why the Dems annoy the eff out of me. Still playing civil politics.

I can't even list all the things McConnell has done to shit on the United States people let alone torpedoing Democrats. Now yes in politics I get each party is not going to just give 100 percent into each others, but Republicans with McConnell running shit past 10-15 plus years. His single handle stunt of Obama's Supreme Court is outlandish.

This is frustrating with Biden in his old ways. Not just his age but idk why Dems keep thinking they can govern with this party.

[Sunseeker]

Biden says he’s sorry to hear McConnell stepping down: He ‘never misrepresented anything’




Come the bleep on Biden. Why? This is why the Dems annoy the eff out of me. Still playing civil politics.

I can't even list all the things McConnell has done to shit on the United States people let alone torpedoing Democrats. Now yes in politics I get each party is not going to just give 100 percent into each others, but Republicans with McConnell running shit past 10-15 plus years. His single handle stunt of Obama's Supreme Court is outlandish.

This is frustrating with Biden in his old ways. Not just his age but idk why Dems keep thinking they can govern with this party.

I dont think Biden is necessarily wrong in his wording. McConnell never "misrepresented" anything. I think McConnell has always been fairly clear on where he stands. Biden isnt saying hes a good man, just that he isnt a liar. Kinda backhanded compliment if you ask me.

This is a great time for civility. The only risk in this situation is that McConnell changes his mind. Lets not give them any excuses.

[Shadowferal]

The names being tossed around to replace McConnell are Thune and Cotton just to name a couple...

[Xyonai]

NBC News: President Biden invites former President Trump to work together on a border bill while challenging congressional Republicans to “show a little spine.”

Not satisfied with losing progressives with his seemingly apathetic handling of the Israel/Gaza clusterfuck, Biden decides to do the thing all centrists democrats eventually do and try and appeal to the right wing for some fucking reason.

I guess this was supposed to set-up some 'gotcha' he could use to keep putting screws on House Republicans, and it'd honestly be a good political move if it wasn't the Former President currently a stones throw away from federal prison and/or bankruptcy for crimes including, but not limited to, trying to overturn the previous election and threaten our national security by hoarding classified documents.

[Edge-]

NBC News: President Biden invites former President Trump to work together on a border bill while challenging congressional Republicans to “show a little spine.”

Not satisfied with losing progressives with his seemingly apathetic handling of the Israel/Gaza clusterfuck, Biden decides to do the thing all centrists democrats eventually do and try and appeal to the right wing for some fucking reason.

I guess this was supposed to set-up some 'gotcha' he could use to keep putting screws on House Republicans, and it'd honestly be a good political move if it wasn't the Former President currently a stones throw away from federal prison and/or bankruptcy for crimes including, but not limited to, trying to overturn the previous election and threaten our national security by hoarding classified documents.

I see it as some calculated lower-risk bait, mostly. The most likely response from Donald will be to reject and attack him, and Joe can use that to highlight how he's more interested the issues than the partisanship and actually getting things done. We'll see if they've calculated correctly or if maybe I'm off-base here, but I'm uncertain this is exactly the most forthright and serious of invitations.

[Xyonai]

I see it as some calculated lower-risk bait, mostly. The most likely response from Donald will be to reject and attack him, and Joe can use that to highlight how he's more interested the issues than the partisanship and actually getting things done. We'll see if they've calculated correctly or if maybe I'm off-base here, but I'm uncertain this is exactly the most forthright and serious of invitations.

You're probably right and I'm just being a doomer about it.

[Gaidax]

I see it as some calculated lower-risk bait, mostly. The most likely response from Donald will be to reject and attack him, and Joe can use that to highlight how he's more interested the issues than the partisanship and actually getting things done. We'll see if they've calculated correctly or if maybe I'm off-base here, but I'm uncertain this is exactly the most forthright and serious of invitations.

All Republicans need to do is simply nothing, which is precisely what they will do.

[Edge-]

All Republicans need to do is simply nothing, which is precisely what they will do.

Congressional Republicans, especially in the House, will do what Donald Trump tells them to do. They've made that clear. That being said I'm skeptical Donald will be inclined to accept the invitation, much less say or do anything from there.

[Sunseeker]

All Republicans need to do is simply nothing, which is precisely what they will do.

Yeah but Trump can't do nothing. He is physically incapable of not responding.

Biden wins either way. Trump comes to him, works with him, Biden looks good. Trump flys off the handle on Truth Social at 2am, Biden wins.

What people are largely missing is that Biden isn't interested in the socially-progressive end of the border fight anyway. He isn't gonna build a wall, but he ain't gonna build a bridge either.

[Gaidax]

Congressional Republicans, especially in the House, will do what Donald Trump tells them to do. They've made that clear. That being said I'm skeptical Donald will be inclined to accept the invitation, much less say or do anything from there.

Oh, he'll just do what he does. Make a rally or ten out of it.

The Republicans will simply offer a counter-proposal that Biden won't be able to accept, given the dissent in his party. And the best part for them it's a win-win situation - they can even offer something reasonable and if Biden accepts, he will further destroy relations with left hardliners and if he rejects - Republicans will claim he's not cooperating even on tame proposals as far as Republicans go.

The time here is working for the Republicans, they would like to arrive to elections with this crisis in full swing.

Spring and Summer are the seasons of increased illegal border crossings, coupled with what many illegal immigrants would view as a last ditch attempt to get through before lockdown.

I am sure that's what Republicans are banking on - all they'd need is just to stall congress action for a few months, which is easy.

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Yeah but Trump can't do nothing. He is physically incapable of not responding.

Biden wins either way. Trump comes to him, works with him, Biden looks good. Trump flys off the handle on Truth Social at 2am, Biden wins.

What people are largely missing is that Biden isn't interested in the socially-progressive end of the border fight anyway. He isn't gonna build a wall, but he ain't gonna build a bridge either.

The unfortunate realty for Biden is that he wins in no way.

Trump will come at him swinging either way, elections are soon.

All Republicans need to do is "cooperate" and negotiate a joint proposal or offer a counter-proposal. Stall for a few months. If Biden accepts, he will get destroyed by hard left, if he rejects and does nothing effective he will get destroyed by everyone else.

And EVEN if a miracle happens and neither of the above pitfalls happen, by the time this plan is set to action - Summer will be in full swing with peak border crossings.

[Edge-]

Oh, he'll just do what he does. Make a rally or ten out of it.

The Republicans will simply offer a counter-proposal that Biden won't be able to accept, given the dissent in his party. And the best part for them it's a win-win situation - they can even offer something reasonable and if Biden accepts, he will further destroy relations with left hardliners and if he rejects - Republicans will claim he's not cooperating even on tame proposals as far as Republicans go.

The time here is working for the Republicans, they would like to arrive to elections with this crisis in full swing.

Spring and Summer are the seasons of increased illegal border crossings, coupled with what many illegal immigrants would view as a last ditch attempt to get through before lockdown.

I am sure that's what Republicans are banking on - all they'd need is just to stall congress action for a few months, which is easy.

Wait...what? Counter-proposal? There was already a bipartisan bill until Donald told Republicans to kill it, and Democrats in the Senate wouldn't accept some half-baked House Republican effort - not that I think House Republicans have the legislative chops to even performatively undertake something like that. This reads like a really weird take that's not reflective of the actual reality on this topic. Republicans fundamentally can't propose something reasonable that might be remotely palatable to Democrats though, the bipartisan bill arguably had more Republican wishlist items than Democrat and even that was too liberal for Donald and Republicans. Like, what are you talking about.

I'm unsure Republicans have it quite in the bank as you seem to think, especially with the continued risk of another Speaker fight or a temporary shutdown looming and Republicans eating a fair amount of blame (haven't checked the latest polling) for their role in single-handedly killing the bipartisan Senate bill because Donald told them to. The stalling seems like it might hurt them as much as it might hurt Democrats.

[Gaidax]

Wait...what? Counter-proposal? There was already a bipartisan bill until Donald told Republicans to kill it, and Democrats in the Senate wouldn't accept some half-baked House Republican effort - not that I think House Republicans have the legislative chops to even performatively undertake something like that. This reads like a really weird take that's not reflective of the actual reality on this topic. Republicans fundamentally can't propose something reasonable that might be remotely palatable to Democrats though, the bipartisan bill arguably had more Republican wishlist items than Democrat and even that was too liberal for Donald and Republicans. Like, what are you talking about.

I'm unsure Republicans have it quite in the bank as you seem to think, especially with the continued risk of another Speaker fight or a temporary shutdown looming and Republicans eating a fair amount of blame (haven't checked the latest polling) for their role in single-handedly killing the bipartisan Senate bill because Donald told them to. The stalling seems like it might hurt them as much as it might hurt Democrats.

The beautiful part in this game of chess is... they don't even need to.

That's why I said initially - all they need to do is nothing and just let the crisis explode on Biden's watch.

Shutdown is another part of this puzzle by the way, it will burn another big chunk of time to address the illegal immigration crisis, it will help Republicans to do effectively nothing, which is precisely what they need.

It's a simple game of race to the bottom. Republicans may get some damage, but not even close to what Biden will sustain with this crisis going out of control.

[Sunseeker]

The unfortunate realty for Biden is that he wins in no way.

Trump will come at him swinging either way, elections are soon.

All Republicans need to do is "cooperate" and negotiate a joint proposal or offer a counter-proposal. Stall for a few months. If Biden accepts, he will get destroyed by hard left, if he rejects and does nothing effective he will get destroyed by everyone else.

And EVEN if a miracle happens and neither of the above pitfalls happen, by the time this plan is set to action - Summer will be in full swing with peak border crossings.

The "hard left" hasn't swung an election pretty much ever. There's a reason the DNC doesn't give a shit about them. They're more likely to get moderate Republicans to vote for them than the "hard left".

God your whole post reeks of cryhard political fantasy.

[Elegiac]

The beautiful part in this game of chess

"Game of chess?" Fucking lol. This isn't Republicans enacting their master plan to trap Biden, it's them having a seizure from the aftereffects of drinking from a poisoned chalice.

Which you'd know if you were actually paying attention to something in American politics besides whatever polling CNN is sharting out; Biden is unpopular, but the GOP's dysfunction is even more so as evidenced by the way the Democrats consistently keep outperforming during special elections. A shutdown, something which typically does not go well for Republicans, isn't likely to go any better for them after they shot themselves in the foot by not taking the easy, easy win that was the border bill.

[Gaidax]

The "hard left" hasn't swung an election pretty much ever. There's a reason the DNC doesn't give a shit about them. They're more likely to get moderate Republicans to vote for them than the "hard left".

God your whole post reeks of cryhard political fantasy.

Given how close the upcoming race is and what is happening in the Middle East, things might just change.

If on top of current issue, Biden will add concrete actions against illegal immigration - he can possibly get a full blown hard left revolt with just enough morons making a protest vote when the time comes.

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"Game of chess?" Fucking lol. This isn't Republicans enacting their master plan to trap Biden, it's them having a seizure from the aftereffects of drinking from a poisoned chalice.

The "beautiful" part is the simplicity here.

As I said - Republicans simply need to do... nothing. There is no master plan here to execute, that's the whole point.

[Sunseeker]

Given how close the upcoming race is and what is happening in the Middle East, things might just change.

If on top of current issue, Biden will add concrete actions against illegal immigration - he can possibly get a full blown hard left revolt with just enough morons making a protest vote when the time comes.

And it'll mean shit. The "hard left" always protest votes. That's why the DNC doesn't bother to court them. They either "protest vote" or they don't vote. And their votes don't matter, so noone cares, they are neither large enough nor coordinated enough to swing an election.