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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunseeker View Post
    The "hard left" hasn't swung an election pretty much ever. There's a reason the DNC doesn't give a shit about them. They're more likely to get moderate Republicans to vote for them than the "hard left".

    God your whole post reeks of cryhard political fantasy.
    Given how close the upcoming race is and what is happening in the Middle East, things might just change.

    If on top of current issue, Biden will add concrete actions against illegal immigration - he can possibly get a full blown hard left revolt with just enough morons making a protest vote when the time comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    "Game of chess?" Fucking lol. This isn't Republicans enacting their master plan to trap Biden, it's them having a seizure from the aftereffects of drinking from a poisoned chalice.
    The "beautiful" part is the simplicity here.

    As I said - Republicans simply need to do... nothing. There is no master plan here to execute, that's the whole point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Given how close the upcoming race is and what is happening in the Middle East, things might just change.

    If on top of current issue, Biden will add concrete actions against illegal immigration - he can possibly get a full blown hard left revolt with just enough morons making a protest vote when the time comes.
    And it'll mean shit. The "hard left" always protest votes. That's why the DNC doesn't bother to court them. They either "protest vote" or they don't vote. And their votes don't matter, so noone cares, they are neither large enough nor coordinated enough to swing an election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Given how close the upcoming race is and what is happening in the Middle East, things might just change.

    If on top of current issue, Biden will add concrete actions against illegal immigration - he can possibly get a full blown hard left revolt with just enough morons making a protest vote when the time comes.
    Ah yes, the curious case of pro-Palestinian protesters being completely ineffective at swaying public opinion and yet secretly so powerful they'll flip the election.

    This seems less like an assessment and more like you expressing a fear that Biden winning might mean he could end up caving to pressure to cut off the gravy train to your country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Ah yes, the curious case of pro-Palestinian protesters being completely ineffective at swaying public opinion and yet secretly so powerful they'll flip the election.

    This seems less like an assessment and more like you expressing a fear that Biden winning might mean he could end up caving to pressure to cut off the gravy train to your country.
    Are you sure you're not projecting your feelings here?

    I stated my opinion, if all you have to respond is feels then just move along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Are you sure you're not projecting your feelings here?

    I stated my opinion, if all you have to respond is feels then just move along.
    What feelings are those?

    I'm not voting for Biden in the faint hope that he'll suddenly see the light regarding foreign policy, whereas you have a very manifest interest in keeping the money faucet on full blast.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    What feelings are those?

    I'm not voting for Biden in the faint hope that he'll suddenly see the light regarding foreign policy, whereas you have a very manifest interest in keeping the money faucet on full blast.
    Would this full blast faucet be because we know that the IDF requires US funding to continue its genocide of the Palestinians, and some people here are very on board with that notion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    What feelings are those?

    I'm not voting for Biden in the faint hope that he'll suddenly see the light regarding foreign policy, whereas you have a very manifest interest in keeping the money faucet on full blast.
    I can assure you I don't really mind either way, because the so called faucet will be open in any case and is not going anywhere.

    In fact, I expect the faucet to become much larger if Biden hopes to get even half of what he'd like for the region.

    Eventually the war will be over and the reconstruction will begin. There will be a ton of faucets all around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    You're probably right and I'm just being a doomer about it.
    Yeah, it's bait. Just like the border bill was bait. Biden came out strong for it on purpose because he knew Republicans would fumble the ball. Now he can actually run on the border without doing anything about the border, which is what he's doing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Yeah, it's bait. Just like the border bill was bait. Biden came out strong for it on purpose because he knew Republicans would fumble the ball. Now he can actually run on the border without doing anything about the border, which is what he's doing here.
    And Trump took it, attacking Biden with the usual 'letting millions just walk in' routine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Yeah, it's bait. Just like the border bill was bait. Biden came out strong for it on purpose because he knew Republicans would fumble the ball. Now he can actually run on the border without doing anything about the border, which is what he's doing here.
    How did he win exactly? regardless of the bill Biden isn't going to win republican voters over using border security. If anything he has legitimized their premise that there is an invasion at the border that's out of control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    How did he win exactly? regardless of the bill Biden isn't going to win republican voters over using border security. If anything he has legitimized their premise that there is an invasion at the border that's out of control.
    We just had a democrat retake a Republican seat in a NY special election running entirely on the Border bill that the GOP blocked. That's a win, because up until then the GOP was hammering dems hard on the issue due to the migrant issue in NYC and the video of the NYC cop getting beaten up by a group of illegal immigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    We just had a democrat retake a Republican seat in a NY special election running entirely on the Border bill that the GOP blocked. That's a win, because up until then the GOP was hammering dems hard on the issue due to the migrant issue in NYC and the video of the NYC cop getting beaten up by a group of illegal immigrants.
    Yes in long Island with a seat held by George Santos and exit polling shows that the economy and abortion was the determining factor. Santos's win was also a shock because democrats usually win that seat. Why are people pulling nationwide lessons from that election?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunseeker View Post
    And it'll mean shit. The "hard left" always protest votes. That's why the DNC doesn't bother to court them. They either "protest vote" or they don't vote. And their votes don't matter, so noone cares, they are neither large enough nor coordinated enough to swing an election.
    No, you're referring to the "idealistic left", the people who will hard stick to their ideals no matter what, and only vote for 'the right candidate'. There are people who are very left leaning who understand the reality of the situation and won't let "perfect" get in the way of "good enough" or even "better than we have now". I should know, I'm one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    No, you're referring to the "idealistic left", the people who will hard stick to their ideals no matter what, and only vote for 'the right candidate'. There are people who are very left leaning who understand the reality of the situation and won't let "perfect" get in the way of "good enough" or even "better than we have now".
    Or at the very least "clearly superior to the alternative," which we also very much understand is "Donald Trump" and not "none of the above."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Biden decides to do the thing all centrists democrats eventually do and try and appeal to the right wing for some fucking reason.
    I'm with @Edge-

    Democrats aren't as blindly rageful about excommunicating traitors as Trumpists are. Trump will not work with Biden, full stop. You might have a point about the optics, but Biden knew full well Trump would never accept the offer. This was a plea to centrist voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I'm with @Edge-

    Democrats aren't as blindly rageful about excommunicating traitors as Trumpists are. Trump will not work with Biden, full stop. You might have a point about the optics, but Biden knew full well Trump would never accept the offer. This was a plea to centrist voters.
    Apparently the article I linked got corrected/hit with community notes by being clickbaity as fuck, so my kneejerk frustration was all for naught anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Apparently the article I linked got corrected/hit with community notes by being clickbaity as fuck, so my kneejerk frustration was all for naught anyway.
    This is why I continue to force myself to read articles before sharing them (or at least skim them) and not just headlines. Headlines, even at the more "trustworthy" outlets have gotten worse and worse as they keep playing for SEO bait and engagement.

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    Also have to consider it against the reverse optics. Had Trump managed to lead with this ... CNN and the media would be tripping over themselves... Is this the moment Trump became presidential!"

    Biden effectively neutered that.

    Unfortunately there's no treatment for constant Gardeners of Doom. They only have two modes:
    1. bIdEN iS betRAYIng us!
    2. bIdeN is GeTTInG ouT flanked!

    Its boring and tedious watching them get played by Reaction Algorithm, again and again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    Also have to consider it against the reverse optics. Had Trump managed to lead with this ... CNN and the media would be tripping over themselves... Is this the moment Trump became presidential!"

    Biden effectively neutered that.

    Unfortunately there's no treatment for constant Gardeners of Doom. They only have two modes:
    1. bIdEN iS betRAYIng us!
    2. bIdeN is GeTTInG ouT flanked!

    Its boring and tedious watching them get played by Reaction Algorithm, again and again.
    Well, CNN still does pay Van Jones money and I'm sure he's been edging for years to say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Well, CNN still does pay Van Jones money and I'm sure he's been edging for years to say that.
    I just wish that people that consistently fall for click bait would be like .... "well this is the last time Van Jone out smarts me!"
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