Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Kaleredar]

https://x.com/BMarchetich/status/181...boGXphyOw&s=19

This guy can't do the job people. He is too frickin old. Biden is not why people will not show up.

So the proposal of a 5% rent increase tied to a tax sounds pretty good. Not up on my real estate if 5% is excessive considering what inflation and people's adjusted income. I'm guessing this might be some Neo-Liberal bullshit.

And if he doesn't step down?

Like, what actual steps do you think are going to happen to make Biden not the next democratic candidate? Go through them, in order.

[Edge-]

This guy can't do the job people.

Casual reminder he's literally doing the job in real-time and still doing a pretty good one.

[Paranoid Android]

And if he doesn't step down?

Like, what actual steps do you think are going to happen to make Biden not the next democratic candidate? Go through them, in order.

What is this? Why must it be Biden?

You asking me what needs to be done to replace and it's all on Biden.

On anything I will stand on; "Biden is so selfish".

So this is all on this selfish old man who is so narcissistic and driven by grievance (sound familiar) that he may cost the election.

[Edge-]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...p/74432248007/

Meanwhile -

“Folks, I know what the hell a ‘Black job’ is — it’s the vice president of the United States,” he said to loud cheers, speaking about Vice President Kamala Harris. “I know what a ‘Black job’ is. The first Black president in American history, Barack Obama.”

Damn, is this the same Joe Biden that was in that like 8 second clip earlier? He has so much more vigor! Energy! Clarity!

And going off script, even. Golly gee!

[Kaleredar]

What is this? Why must it be Biden?

You asking me what needs to be done to replace and it's all on Biden.

On anything I will stand on; "Biden is so selfish".

So this is all on this selfish old man who is so narcissistic and driven by grievance (sound familiar) that he may cost the election.

It “must” be Biden because… he’s the incumbent? He’s the one running? No one else is?

[Paranoid Android]

Casual reminder he's literally doing the job in real-time and still doing a pretty good one.

He is old and every time he looks old in public reminds voters.

Why does it have to be Biden? I can't believe people think Biden is only leader. The other Dems, namely Kamala atm are not that worse than Biden

[cubby]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...p/74432248007/

Meanwhile -



Damn, is this the same Joe Biden that was in that like 8 second clip earlier? He has so much more vigor! Energy! Clarity!

And going off script, even. Golly gee!

We're going to see a TON of this going forward.

Also expect more off script events for more moments like this.

Speaking only on a political affect basis, the shooting happened too soon. Sept/Oct would have been perfect. Right now it's vying for air time with the Convention and both are eating each other. Trump is ahead in national polls, and in some key swing/battleground states already (up from last week). However, that is right in line with what we would expect. And the new gains are +1/2 points only. If it plateaus there, Biden has a lot of room to gain in.

[Edge-]

He is old and every time he looks old in public reminds voters.

I'd say that more depends on the 20 second clip you choose to post.

Why does it have to be Biden? I can't believe people think Biden is only leader. The other Dems, namely Kamala atm are not that worse than Biden

Because he's the incumbent. Because he wants to run. Because he still have immense support. Because the alternatives, while there are some good ones, aren't massively more appealing or polling massively better or anything. Because Democrats have a tendency to panick and be flighty and there's a history of late-replacements of nominees not going well. Because the logistical nightmare of a new "snap primary" that has a high likelyhood of going for Joe again isn't necessarily worth the risk.

"Not that much worse than Biden" so Biden is still the better option?

[Paranoid Android]

It “must” be Biden because… he’s the incumbent? He’s the one running? No one else is?

He's the incumbent? He is senile and old and that's a big factor to voters. People such as you are exactly doing the Trump narrative of it has to be Trump.

No one running against him? This is funny since the Dem primary was so tilted to giving Biden the nomination. Obviously he was the incumbent so generally not opposed. The One Big Thing is Biden's health has declined.

Also now that we want a open convention you protest. So you actually don't want a open choice by the people, aka the Democrats.


@Edge


Yes, the 20 second clip is what people see. Again this is a clip of many senile moments.

I answered the incumbent above.

It's effin crazy of let's just give it to the incumbent even if he is being selfish and possibly tanking the election.

People Do Not love Biden where if he steps down they won't show up. I can't believe people think Biden is this once in a life politician.

[PhaelixWW]

Because he's the incumbent. Because he wants to run. Because he still have immense support. Because the alternatives, while there are some good ones, aren't massively more appealing or polling massively better or anything. Because Democrats have a tendency to panick and be flighty and there's a history of late-replacements of nominees not going well. Because the logistical nightmare of a new "snap primary" that has a high likelyhood of going for Joe again isn't necessarily worth the risk.

"Not that much worse than Biden" so Biden is still the better option?

All of that, but also...

...if the complaint is that he's old, and your next best choice is the Vice President, then... well... what's the problem here?

[Edge-]

All of that, but also...

...if the complaint is that he's old, and your next best choice is the Vice President, then... well... what's the problem here?

Basically. He dies in office or strokes out or steps down or whatever and...oh no Kamala, who is one of the media favorites for a replacement that I've been seeing, steps up. Dreadful. Terrible. Unacceptable.

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He's the incumbent? He is senile and old and that's a big factor to voters. People such as you are exactly doing the Trump narrative of it has to be Trump.

It's fun playing the game of, "MAGA poster or leftists horseshoe"?

Reminder - https://apnews.com/article/biden-new...e2b088e5c525dd

Biden tied himself to an American tradition stretching “from Truman to Reagan to me” of defending NATO. “Every American must ask herself or himself, is the world safer with NATO?” he asked.

Later, to assure a European journalist asking about governments on that continent worrying Trump could win, Biden launched into a detailed recounting of how he helped shepherd Finland into the alliance. After that, he went into detail about how to push back against China for supporting Russia during its war against Ukraine and contended he will continue to be able to deal with Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Overall, Biden spoke forcefully and fluently about foreign policy, one of his favorite subjects. But the news conference’s focus wasn’t really foreign policy, it was reassuring Democrats and the world that Biden is still able to be president and beat Trump.

Senile guys generally don't get into substantive policy talks and shit.

[Endus]

Basically. He dies in office or strokes out or steps down or whatever and...oh no Kamala, who is one of the media favorites for a replacement that I've been seeing, steps up. Dreadful. Terrible. Unacceptable.

Like, so many Americans think the President dying in office would ruin the country.

Kamala would be sworn in the next day, she's already read-in on nearly everything, business continues as usual other than the State funeral proceedings, which are negligible in terms of running the nation. It's literally not a problem.

[PhaelixWW]

Basically. He dies in office or strokes out or steps down or whatever and...oh no Kamala, who is one of the media favorites for a replacement that I've been seeing, steps up. Dreadful. Terrible. Unacceptable.

I mean... if this happens more than halfway through the term, then she'd not only be the incumbent in the next election, she'd still be eligible for two more complete terms.

I'm in no way wishing ill to Biden, but that's a pretty significant silver lining.

[Edge-]

Like, so many Americans think the President dying in office would ruin the country.

Kamala would be sworn in the next day, she's already read-in on nearly everything, business continues as usual other than the State funeral proceedings, which are negligible in terms of running the nation. It's literally not a problem.

I blame a lot of this on the media and how they report on the POTUS. Really, POTUS is the decision guy. They need someone to make calls, and the army of career officials and political appointees do all the "nitty gritty work".

People forget that like, this literal thing has happened in the lifetimes of people alive today. Kennedy got his skull blown open, LBJ was sworn in immediately afterwords.

This isn't ye-olden days when they'd have to send teams out to find the VP out in the middle of the woods maintaining their cabin, lol.

[Paranoid Android]

All of that, but also...

...if the complaint is that he's old, and your next best choice is the Vice President, then... well... what's the problem here?

@Edge, @Endus

Sorry on phone so mentioning people.

All three of you realize Biden has to win for this scenario to happen.

Biden first has to win the election and his age is a Huge problem.

To take a shortsighted view here, I just want to win the election and who in the next 4 years is making policy.

[Edge-]

@Edge, @Endus

Sorry on phone so mentioning people.

All three of you realize Biden has to win for this scenario to happen.

Biden first has to win the election and his age is a Huge problem.

To take a shortsighted view here, I just want to win the election and who in the next 4 years is making policy.

Literally anyone has to win to win, so yea.

His age is a problem, sure, but you make it a far bigger one than it actually is. Especially remembering that his opponent is only a few years younger than him, and is actually far worse when it comes to speaking and mixing up names and getting distracted and mangling words. You remember, like that time Joe repeatedly criticized Speaker Nikki Haley for not securing the House on Jan. 6.

I want to win the election too. I'd argue what y'all are doing isn't that at all. By your own admission/phrasing Kamala, one of the strongest contenders, isn't enve as strong as Joe.

[PhaelixWW]

Biden first has to win the election and his age is a Huge problem.

It's a problem, but it's not a "HUGE" problem. And for most people for whom it's a problem, they understand what I pointed out: that Kamala is waiting in the wings, so it's a problem without much bite.

And regardless, nobody's polling better than Biden, still. The worst thing we can do is sow division where none is really called for.

[cubby]

Like, so many Americans think the President dying in office would ruin the country.

Kamala would be sworn in the next day, she's already read-in on nearly everything, business continues as usual other than the State funeral proceedings, which are negligible in terms of running the nation. It's literally not a problem.

The people commenting on "oh noes, what if he dies in office?" are only confirming their ignorance of the political process in the United States. When Kennedy died Johnson was sworn in on the plane headed back to D.C. (they kidnapped a judge for the swearing in). And what parts Kamala wasn't read into she would immediate be read into. While complicated, it's not difficult. And it's already laid out as a process - because it's happened before.

[Paranoid Android]

It's a problem, but it's not a "HUGE" problem. And for most people for whom it's a problem, they understand what I pointed out: that Kamala is waiting in the wings, so it's a problem without much bite.

And regardless, nobody's polling better than Biden, still. The worst thing we can do is sow division where none is really called for.

Biden is losing in almost all battleground state polls. That's a Huge problem. If you or others have to dismiss the polls the most negative factor hurting Biden is age.

Oh you mentioned polling. Actually Kamala is polling better than Biden and Biden is the President.

[Edge-]

The people commenting on "oh noes, what if he dies in office?" are only confirming their ignorance of the political process in the United States. When Kennedy died Johnson was sworn in on the plane headed back to D.C. (they kidnapped a judge for the swearing in). And what parts Kamala wasn't read into she would immediate be read into. While complicated, it's not difficult. And it's already laid out as a process - because it's happened before.

Basically this. It's a process done ever 4/8 years ads administration change. Arguably it'd be easier given that, while it's not an expected date they can work towards like Jan. 20, the broader executive structure is already well established with people in place who have been doing their jobs for months/years vs. the overall chaos of a new administration coming in.