Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[unfilteredJW]

Your caps didn't age well right.

Name: kamala harris
PROCEDURE : twitter
TIMELINE : yesterday.
BUDGET : whatever Biden still had left + being the front page of every news site worldwide does wonders for publicity and money.

Since your BLUE maga I assume you will find start doing mental gynatmics but whatever, you can admit your wrong about everything and apologise or start your mental gynmatics.

Imagine thinking this was an own in any way shape or form.

[ati87]

Imagine thinking this was an own in any way shape or form.

Imaging defending Biden until the very last moment and doing mental gymnastics like Trump voters in why Biden is the only choice when he was losing every battleground state and turning NY into a battleground state.

Yes it's a own because it was clear that Biden was done weeks ago so anyone that spend time defending Biden should reflect back and ask themselves "why was I so wrong".

[Kathranis]

Damn shame that for all his accomplishments, the electorate preferred bombast and hot air.
Biden’s legacy: Far-reaching accomplishments that didn’t translate into political support

If Biden could better articulate his strengths he might have fared better.

[PhaelixWW]

Imaging defending Biden until the very last moment and doing mental gymnastics like Trump voters in why Biden is the only choice when he was losing every battleground state and turning NY into a battleground state.

Imagine ignoring the fact that in aggregate polling, including the battleground states, Biden was still slightly ahead of Harris.

Now, I'm going to cross my fingers for Harris (and the future of the US as a whole, frankly), but to imply that this was somehow a "no-brainer" is just stupid.

Nobody said he was "the only choice" or that this couldn't possibly happen, merely that there was nowhere near enough evidence that anyone else was a better choice.

[Mekh]

Your caps didn't age well right.

Name: kamala harris
PROCEDURE : twitter
TIMELINE : yesterday.
BUDGET : whatever Biden still had left + being the front page of every news site worldwide does wonders for publicity and money.

Since your BLUE maga I assume you will find start doing mental gynatmics but whatever, you can admit your wrong about everything and apologise or start your mental gynmatics.

Oh, that was your plan?

[ati87]

Imagine ignoring the fact that in aggregate polling, including the battleground states, Biden was still slightly ahead of Harris.

Now, I'm going to cross my fingers for Harris (and the future of the US as a whole, frankly), but to imply that this was somehow a "no-brainer" is just stupid.

Nobody said he was "the only choice" or that this couldn't possibly happen, merely that there was nowhere near enough evidence that anyone else was a better choice.

Just take the L and apologize for being wrong because at this point why are you still dragging your heels and defending Biden. Bidens lose was 100% guaranteed and that's the bottom line.

[Shadowferal]

Imagine ignoring the fact that in aggregate polling, including the battleground states, Biden was still slightly ahead of Harris.
Now, I'm going to cross my fingers for Harris (and the future of the US as a whole, frankly), but to imply that this was somehow a "no-brainer" is just stupid.

Biden’s exit was more about creating an event, a...sensation, a rallying point.

[Mekh]

Just take the L and apologize for being wrong because at this point why are you still dragging your heels and defending Biden. Bidens lose was 100% guaranteed and that's the bottom line.

While your are doing your spiteful little victory dance, have you actually done some reading?

When I asked "how?" this was, what I was referring to. Alabama and Ohio need legistlation changes because of candidate certification deadlines. Alabama played along for now. Ohio, all you have is a pinkie swear from the GOP that they won't torpedo the democratic process.

And that's the legal challenges I know about. Fuck knows what else is outthere. Right now you are counting on the idea that the Dem leadership you have maligned for the past few months actually knows exactly what they are doing. So how are your mental gymnastics going?

[Flarelaine]

Please refrain from heckling other posters. Events having turned out the way one imagined is no reason to be pesky.

[Nymrohd]

It's his son and after November given a pardon to Hunter Biden doesn’t negatively affect him any more. You honestly don't need to expect too much from Biden after this point.

It forever smears his political legacy. I don't think he will do it.

[PhaelixWW]

Just take the L and apologize for being wrong because at this point why are you still dragging your heels and defending Biden. Bidens lose was 100% guaranteed and that's the bottom line.

You literally can't argue with the data that's been provided to you. 100% guaranteed? Lulz. I'm supposed to take your word for it? You're basically saying "I won because I said that you lose and I'm not going to listen to anything different!"

You don't even seem to realize that you're the proverbial pigeon playing chess.

Fucking clown shoes. Have fun pretending you "won".

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Biden’s exit was more about creating an event, a...sensation, a rallying point.

It was a risk, pure and simple. Time will tell if that mood prevails, but the outpouring of donations is a good sign, for sure. There may yet be enough silver linings to overshadow the dark cloud. (What a mangled metaphor...)

[ati87]

It forever smears his political legacy. I don't think he will do it.

We are talking about a guy that knows he was mentally unfit to campaign and still
decided to drag this thing out. Only after the entire democratic leadership, rich donors and polls showing that he had 0% chance of winning did Biden decide to drop out.

If some rich donors and leadership decided to support Biden till the end, then Biden would have continued his campaign, probably regardless of his chances of winning.

Knowing that Biden was willing to tarnish his legacy by continuing his campaign, is it that hard to phantom him not to be given a pardon for Hunter Biden? And honestly I think Biden giving out a pardon for his son will just be a footnote at best, if he just waits after the election people will be forgotten in a few weeks anyway. And also, Biden will stop being the boogeyman.

[PhaelixWW]

We are talking about a guy that knows he was mentally unfit to campaign and still
decided to drag this thing out. Only after the entire democratic leadership, rich donors and polls showing that he had 0% chance of winning did Biden decide to drop out.

Where's the proof that he's mentally unfit?

Where are the polls showing that he had 0% chance of winning?

Or are you just pretending that your opinions and suppositions are facts?

[Nymrohd]

We are talking about a guy that knows he was mentally unfit to campaign and still
decided to drag this thing out. Only after the entire democratic leadership, rich donors and polls showing that he had 0% chance of winning did Biden decide to drop out.

If some rich donors and leadership decided to support Biden till the end, then Biden would have continued his campaign, probably regardless of his chances of winning.

Knowing that Biden was willing to tarnish his legacy by continuing his campaign, is it that hard to phantom him not to be given a pardon for Hunter Biden? And honestly I think Biden giving out a pardon for his son will just be a footnote at best, if he just waits after the election people will be forgotten in a few weeks anyway. And also, Biden will stop being the boogeyman.

I don't see it that way. The man was probably in an opinion bubble and the reality remains, everyone else was polling even worse than he is against Trump. That is all that mattered. Yes he was polling badly but everyone else was polling even worse except for one person who is not interested in the job at all (and good for her). I expect privately he considered pulling out multiple times after the midterms but if all polls showed him the better option, he felt he needed to keep going even if it literally killed him (and it probably would).

[Shadowferal]

It was a risk, pure and simple. Time will tell if that mood prevails, but the outpouring of donations is a good sign, for sure. There may yet be enough silver linings to overshadow the dark cloud. (What a mangled metaphor...)

The past week was all about an attempted assassination.
Today, where's that in the news?

[gondrin]

While your are doing your spiteful little victory dance, have you actually done some reading?

When I asked "how?" this was, what I was referring to. Alabama and Ohio need legistlation changes because of candidate certification deadlines. Alabama played along for now. Ohio, all you have is a pinkie swear from the GOP that they won't torpedo the democratic process.

And that's the legal challenges I know about. Fuck knows what else is outthere. Right now you are counting on the idea that the Dem leadership you have maligned for the past few months actually knows exactly what they are doing. So how are your mental gymnastics going?

Oh, there will be legal challenges. However, Ohio actively changed their date from August 7th to Sept 1st. And Alabama is August 23.

[PhaelixWW]

The past week was all about an attempted assassination.
Today, where's that in the news?

Sure, silver linings, like I said.

Gather the ones you can, but you can't always count on them turning your way. And that's the risk I was talking about. Lets hope this mood shift continues apace.

Also, to be fair, the shooter's lack of direct motive and Trump's own poor RNC performance have a lot to do with the deflation of that particular headline. The timing for Biden's withdrawal was at least somewhat ideal, inasmuch as it can be this far into the election cycle, in terms of negating the faltering momentum the GoP had gained recently.

He honestly should have decided against running immediately following the last election.

[Mekh]

Oh, there will be legal challenges. However, Ohio actively changed their date from August 7th to Sept 1st. And Alabama is August 23.

That Ohio law only enters into force July 31st. Some experts have been talking about a possible rug pull. Would probably illegal, but then you've got another legal challenge to solve on a deadline.

[uuuhname]

Imaging defending Biden until the very last moment and doing mental gymnastics like Trump voters in why Biden is the only choice when he was losing every battleground state and turning NY into a battleground state.

Yes it's a own because it was clear that Biden was done weeks ago so anyone that spend time defending Biden should reflect back and ask themselves "why was I so wrong".

you're asking for faaaar too much self awareness from these people.

[Relapses]

Is it controversial to point out none of the legal issues surrounding Harris' legitimacy would exist if Biden had exited the race eons ago when it was clear he wasn't up to the task?