Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Doctor Amadeus]

There certainly was reason for him to step down and voters overwhelming thought so.

His polling numbers didn't look good and he had no path to victory when we're 100+ days out from the election.

If you don't understand this, you're either ignorant or feigning ignorance because of an alternative motive.

I didn’t ask about polls. That isn’t a legitimate reason for Biden stepping down.

[Karreck]

In the mid 90's Pepsi and Coke were well into their cola wars during this time about 1995, Pepsi came up with a strategy by which they could sell more Pepsi and make their customers pay the privilege to do so.

The campaign consisted of something called Pepsi Points, where by example every 12 pack you bought you would get 10 Pepsi Points. With these Pepsi points you could buy things like Pepsi T shirts, Key Chains, Leather Jacket and even a Bike ALL with the Pepsi Logo. To give you an idea for example a Pepsi T shirt or Pepsi bag cost anywhere from 80 to 110 Pepsi Points. You can do the math but essentially by buying more Pepsi, you could own the advertising for Pepsi thus increasing their sales to others. By the way this is the same promotion where someone sued Pepsi for a Harrier Jet because as a joke with no disclaimer they put a Harrier Jet in their commercial for 7 Million Pepsi Points, which retailed at the time for $32 Million dollars. The point is it was successful none the less in fact it was SOO successful minus the lawsuit, COKE and other companies followed this model.


Bottom line is this, these are mostly X'ers and some who feel one of the smartest more cynical yet not unlike ANY generation before or after. These are the people voting and being manipulated by the same types that has always been.

What the fuck does any of this have to do with Biden stepping down? Or did you just want to talk about Pepsi Points and figured you can shoehorn it in here?

[Doctor Amadeus]

You aren't a serious person.

Seriously there’s no reason for him to step down. The media and the stupid premise that because he’s old now. That wasn’t a problem before or now. It’s a mountain made made from a molehill and people falling for it.

[Edge-]

I didn’t ask about polls. That isn’t a legitimate reason for Biden stepping down.

I mean, if you've ignored everything that's happened up until now you can believe anything you want. Just don't expect anyone else to indulge your fantasies.

[Doctor Amadeus]

There was one big reason for Biden to step down. Perception. He was losing that fight, regardless of the reality, and stepping down was the right thing to do. Wrong or right, it's done now.

And we're seeing that now at the MAGAt/GOP team is freaking the fuck out.

They have no strategic game plan for Harris.
Their tactical plan is backfooted misogyny and racism.
Money is cascading in to Harris.
All the "old", "cognitive issues", and "decrepidness" now have stark contrast in Trump. Harris is bright, bold, and beautiful.

I was a voice of Biden staying, and we'll never of course know if it was the right answer or if there was a right answer, but I'm enjoying where this is heading. So much energy!

I think Trump pretty much won at this point. Hope it doesn’t translate to the house and senate but we’ll see.

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I mean, if you've ignored everything that's happened up until now you can believe anything you want. Just don't expect anyone else to indulge your fantasies.

Ignore what exactly. Flubs Biden speech impediments the fact he’s OLD. Yes I got that. Ageism he’s old as an excuse for sabotage.

[Belize]

Seriously there’s no reason for him to step down. The media and the stupid premise that because he’s old now. That wasn’t a problem before or now. It’s a mountain made made from a molehill and people falling for it.

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The media has been raging about Biden being old since 2020. This isn't anything new bud

[Edge-]

Ignore what exactly. Flubs Biden speech impediments the fact he’s OLD. Yes I got that. Ageism he’s old as an excuse for sabotage.

Thanks for reinforcing my point, I've enjoyed this interaction.

[Doctor Amadeus]

What the fuck does any of this have to do with Biden stepping down? Or did you just want to talk about Pepsi Points and figured you can shoehorn it in here?

The point is those that are manipulated out of their own interest and in the interest of others


This was about a minority of those who were against Biden on the left and all the Trumpsters on the right.

[cubby]

Seriously there’s no reason for him to step down. The media and the stupid premise that because he’s old now. That wasn’t a problem before or now. It’s a mountain made made from a molehill and people falling for it.

And many people would disagree. It was a perception that was becoming a reality because that's all people could focus on. Biden was losing in every poll and the MAGAt/GOP were revelling in it. Biden kept making gaffes, which are just fine (everyone does it) but it continued to be the top story, creating an unfair reality.

You feel it was the wrong decision, I had argued as well that he shouldn't step down. We all get our opinions, right or wrong.

But you saying "there is no reason for him to step down" is pretty disingenuous. There were plenty of reasons for him to step down, legitimate or not.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Thanks for reinforcing my point, I've enjoyed this interaction.

All people in the public make flubs. Hell Obama referred to 52 states at one time. That doesn’t mean he’s not capable.

A good chunk of our Supreme Court is Old. Again this was a stupid outcome.

[cubby]

I think Trump pretty much won at this point.

All evidence to the contrary. Trump and his team, by all accounts, are flipping the fuck out.

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All people in the public make flubs. Hell Obama referred to 52 states at one time. That doesn’t mean he’s not capable.

A good chunk of our Supreme Court is Old. Again this was a stupid outcome.

But Biden's flubs were coming off that disastrous debate - fair perceptions or not, that was all the media was talking about. Biden spent a few weeks trying to crawl out of it, then the shooting and convention, which should have given Biden time to regroup, except he got COVID and was side-lined.

It was the ongoing and reinforced perceptions that caused him to drop. Plus, rumors of actual decline coming from all over his inside team (and outsiders who "know").

[Doctor Amadeus]

And many people would disagree. It was a perception that was becoming a reality because that's all people could focus on. Biden was losing in every poll and the MAGAt/GOP were revelling in it. Biden kept making gaffes, which are just fine (everyone does it) but it continued to be the top story, creating an unfair reality.

You feel it was the wrong decision, I had argued as well that he shouldn't step down. We all get our opinions, right or wrong.

But you saying "there is no reason for him to step down" is pretty disingenuous. There were plenty of reasons for him to step down, legitimate or not.

Because if those are reasons Trump especially should step down. Not only by the fact he’s made the same flubs and signs of cognitive decline he’s demonstrated as such by his own criminal behavior.

As I said this was a trick and Trump just won the election. Because of infighting and stupidity from some on the left and the constant throwing of the invisible stick never thrown people keep running after.

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Because if those are reasons Trump especially should step down. Not only by the fact he’s made the same flubs and signs of cognitive decline he’s demonstrated as such by his own criminal behavior.

As I said this was a trick and Trump just won the election. Because of infighting and stupidity from some on the left and the constant throwing of the invisible stick never thrown people keep running after.

Yes and going against that narrative and fighting to prove the naysayers credibility wrong.

That’s what Trump does. Right or wrong he fights and doesn’t fold.

He gives his supporters reason to against all odds keep going.

[cubby]

Because if those are reasons Trump especially should step down. Not only by the fact he’s made the same flubs and signs of cognitive decline he’s demonstrated as such by his own criminal behavior.

Which is now exactly what everyone is talking about.

Meanwhile - we have HUGE energy in the party, a "young" candidate who is bright and articulate, and who will not only fire up the base but energize a lot of independents who were sick of "which old guy do I vote for".

As I said this was a trick and Trump just won the election. Because of infighting and stupidity from some on the left and the constant throwing of the invisible stick never thrown people keep running after.

A trick how? Was not the perception of Biden getting worse?

[Karreck]

The point is those that are manipulated out of their own interest and in the interest of others

This was about a minority of those who were against Biden on the left and all the Trumpsters on the right.

First, product marketing is about manipulation? You sure have cracked the code there Sherlock. Not sure why we needed an essay about Pepsi Points to demonstrate something that is already common knowledge, but okay.

Second, polls were showing that it wasn't a majority calling for him to drop out of the race.
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/17/dem...-drop-out-2024

Looks like a lot of majority approval for this decision too.
https://today.yougov.com/politics/ar...g-his-campaign

Third, as evidenced by the frantic reaction by Trumpworld, looks like they really didn't want Biden to drop out.
https://www.businessinsider.com/maga...t-biden-2024-7

A good chunk of our Supreme Court is Old.

You are so close to a realization here.

[draynay]

You feel it was the wrong decision, I had argued as well that he shouldn't step down. We all get our opinions, right or wrong.

But you saying "there is no reason for him to step down" is pretty disingenuous. There were plenty of reasons for him to step down, legitimate or not.

These points are where I wholeheartedly agree. I disagreed with most people on this forum about him stepping down because they generally didn't present more favorable alternatives. In reality it seems the Dems were hard at work bolstering their alternative and I hope she will be the better option, I just don't know yet.
And agreed again, even if I didn't think stepping down was the best idea I wasn't blind to the obvious if exaggerated problems facing him as a candidate, it's why I didn't vote for him in the 2020 primary.

[Doctor Amadeus]

First, product marketing is about manipulation? You sure have cracked the code there Sherlock. Not sure why we needed an essay about Pepsi Points to demonstrate something that is already common knowledge, but okay.

Second, polls were showing that it wasn't a majority calling for him to drop out of the race.
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/17/dem...-drop-out-2024

Looks like a lot of majority approval for this decision too.
https://today.yougov.com/politics/ar...g-his-campaign

Third, as evidenced by the frantic reaction by Trumpworld, looks like they really didn't want Biden to drop out.
https://www.businessinsider.com/maga...t-biden-2024-7

Again people are manipulated call it marketing whatever you want. Trump is a brand he’s marketed and has the same teams behind him.

[Karreck]

Again people are manipulated call it marketing whatever you want. Trump is a brand he’s marketed and has the same teams behind him.

Sounds like you are being manipulated by the Trump World brand. They are making a lot of noise about how Biden shouldn't be dropping out too.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Sounds like you are being manipulated by the Trump World brand. They are making a lot of noise about how Biden shouldn't be dropping out too.

The thing about manipulation is that you have to count on knowing what your mark wants.

You also have to make sure your mark has to keep guessing what you want. That’s why Trump is doing better in the polls. It’s also why it always works.

The left keeps ripping itself apart over the perfect candidate. The Trumpsters will just keep winning.


Come one come all. Come get your Trump points. Keep buying bullshit or whatever the fuck will distract you.

While we put a a con man, sexual assaulter and convicted criminal in the White House.

[Relapses]

These points are where I wholeheartedly agree. I disagreed with most people on this forum about him stepping down because they generally didn't present more favorable alternatives. In reality it seems the Dems were hard at work bolstering their alternative and I hope she will be the better option, I just don't know yet.
And agreed again, even if I didn't think stepping down was the best idea I wasn't blind to the obvious if exaggerated problems facing him as a candidate, it's why I didn't vote for him in the 2020 primary.

If Harris is elected, I'd love to see ranked choice voting seriously deliberated. The way our primary system works right now is woefully inept at producing candidates which represent the will of the people.

[Karreck]

The thing about manipulation is that you have to count on knowing what your mark wants.

You also have to make sure your mark has to keep guessing what you want. That’s why Trump is doing better in the polls. It’s also why it always works.

The left keeps ripping itself apart over the perfect candidate. The Trumpsters will just keep winning.


Come one come all. Come get your Trump points. Keep buying bullshit or whatever the fuck will distract you.

While we put a a con man, sexual assaulter and convicted criminal in the White House.

What a strange collection of words.