Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[DarkTZeratul]

that hunter is the president's son is utterly irrelevant in this case, because he wasn't pardoned for being the president's son.

Technically he was, given that he was effectively prosecuted for being the president's son.

[Malkiah]

Technically he was, given that he was effectively prosecuted for being the president's son.

well technically he wasn't, given he was pardoned for the prosecutions that were happening - they were just happening because he's the president's son.

lol what i mean is that he wasn't pardoned as a "fuck it, my son is untouchable" move, it wasn't done out of nowhere purely as an act of cronyism.
i have little to no doubt that had republicans just left well enough alone and let hunter be prosecuted normally and face whatever sentence he got for that, the pardon never would have happened.

[Gaidax]

Technically he was, given that he was effectively prosecuted for being the president's son.

No, technically he wasn't.

If he'd be a common guy, he'd be chilling in jail already, but hey he got 11 years worth of get out of jail free card, so the narrative of him being unfairly treated indeed is correct, just in a bit different fashion.

[Edge-]

No, technically he wasn't.

If he'd be a common guy, he'd be chilling in jail already, but hey he got 11 years worth of get out of jail free card, so the narrative of him being unfairly treated indeed is correct, just in a bit different fashion.

If he'd be a common guy, it'd have been settled and never brought to court as these cases routinely are, lol. As was repeatedly pointed out - these things never actually go to court, there's a plea deal (like there originally was) and that's it.

[Gaidax]

If he'd be a common guy, it'd have been settled and never brought to court as these cases routinely are, lol. As was repeatedly pointed out - these things never actually go to court, there's a plea deal (like there originally was) and that's it.

If he'd be a common guy, he'd be sitting out for good and no daddy president would rush to his side to give him 11 years of godlike immunity to everything.

[DarkTZeratul]

11 years of godlike immunity to everything.

What the actual fuck are you smoking? Seriously, this is just an absurd level of hyperbole, made worse by the fact that you come off as genuinely being serious.

[Edge-]

If he'd be a common guy, he'd be sitting out for good and no daddy president would rush to his side to give him 11 years of godlike immunity to everything.

Again, if he were a common guy the plea deal would have been accepted and this would be done with. Nobody goes to jail for this. Everyone takes plea deals.

And Joe's 100% justified in protecting his son from an incoming administration that's explicitly promised to weaponize the government against political enemies and a prior willingness to knowingly spread lies about Hunter Biden in their attempt to find some crime he did to punish/pressure his father.

[PhaelixWW]

Again, if he were a common guy the plea deal would have been accepted and this would be done with. Nobody goes to jail for this.

Hardly anyone even gets charged in the first place, unless it's part of throwing-the-book-at-them for a much worse crime.

That's assuming the government even finds out about it in the first place.

Hell, even in California, which is about as anti-gun a state as you can find, they hardly enforce it. California has the Armed Prohibited Persons System, a database of people who are known to both be prohibited from possessing firearms, yet own one anyway. And the limited enforcement arm of this system does little but confiscate firearms if they're found, and even then only in a handful of those cases. Each year the list grows, and that despite the fact that most of the entries that are no longer considered active are due not to enforcement, but to no longer being a prohibited person.

[NED funded]

No, technically he wasn't.

If he'd be a common guy, he'd be chilling in jail already, but hey he got 11 years worth of get out of jail free card, so the narrative of him being unfairly treated indeed is correct, just in a bit different fashion.

I sometimes wonder if people know what Hunter Biden was actually charged with. He was charged with failing to report income to the IRS for which he already paid a fine for and lying on an atf application.

If he was a civilian he would have had to pay a fine and move on with his life. All the larger charges of Burisma and whatnot have zero evidence for. And the people that made the big claims have already pled guilty for lying.

[Captain N]

I sometimes wonder if people know what Hunter Biden was actually charged with. He was charged with failing to report income to the IRS for which he already paid a fine for and lying on an atf application.

If he was a civilian he would have had to pay a fine and move on with his life. All the larger charges of Burisma and whatnot have zero evidence for. And the people that made the big claims have already pled guilty for lying.

So what you're saying is that the people who are mad at Hunter Biden for what is considered tax evasion were completely onboard with voting and supporting someone who has been evading taxes for decades?

There's a word for that....

[PhaelixWW]

Hardly anyone even gets charged in the first place, unless it's part of throwing-the-book-at-them for a much worse crime.

As a follow-up, I found an old post of mine from 10 years ago that illustrates just how toothless those ATF form issues generally are:

Let's look at the 2010 numbers, since there's a nice WaPo article (as well as a more detailed report) on the subject.

In 2010:

There were 73k denials, less than 50% of which were for felonies.
Of those 73k denials, only 4700 were referred to the field, less than 25% of which were for felonies.
Of those 4700 referred and investigated, only 62 were referred for prosecution, only 11 of which were for felonies.
Of those 62 referred for prosecution, only 13 yielded a guilty plea, of which only 6 were for felonies.

How sad is it that nearly 35k denials for prior felonies only yield 6 guilty pleas?

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There's a word for that....

"Republicans."

[NED funded]

So what you're saying is that the people who are mad at Hunter Biden for what is considered tax evasion were completely onboard with voting and supporting someone who has been evading taxes for decades?

There's a word for that....

It doesnt matter now. That entire case served its purpose. Much like the Hillary emails case. It was entirely political. And now literally only a week after he recieved a pardon, nobody cares about Hunter Biden anymore.

[ringpriest]

It doesnt matter now. That entire case served its purpose. Much like the Hillary emails case. It was entirely political. And now literally only a week after he recieved a pardon, nobody cares about Hunter Biden anymore.

Yep. Pretty much the entire purpose of "investigate Hunter Biden" was to influence the 2024 election. That part succeeded wildly. (With a side helping of revenge from Trump, thus the pardon.) Remember that Biden's self-destructive debate with Trump took place directly after a month of Hunter in court, which loaded a ton of personal stress on top of the high-stress job of the Presidency of the United States (when done by a functioning human being, instead of whatever sort of psycho Trump is).

The Trumpists will still probably make an effort to follow through on the revenge angle, though. Expect Hunter to be called in for multiple rounds of Congressional testimony to try and please orange thing squatting in the White House. The real sadists in Congress will be trying to generate a "lying to Congress" charge.

[Ivanstone]

If he'd be a common guy, he'd be chilling in jail already

If he was a common guy he could get any number of 2nd Amendment groups to sue the government for trampling his rights.

But he was the president's son so the usual gang of idiots remained quiet on this issue.

[tehdang]

If he'd be a common guy, he'd be sitting out for good and no daddy president would rush to his side to give him 11 years of godlike immunity to everything.

If he was a common guy, he wouldn't have been able to sell influence and get into all this mess to begin with!

[NED funded]

If Hunter Biden has sold influence then why wasnt he convicted of it?

[Bodakane]

Hunter Biden was convicted of:
- subverted the payroll and tax withholding process of his own company by withdrawing millions outside of the payroll and tax withholding process;
- spent millions of dollars on an extravagant lifestyle rather than paying his tax bills;
- in 2018, stopped paying his outstanding and overdue taxes for tax year 2015;
- willfully failed to pay his 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 taxes on time, despite having access to funds to pay some or all of these taxes;
- willfully failed to file his 2017 and 2018 tax returns, on time; and
- when he did finally file his 2018 returns, included false business deductions in order to reduce the very substantial tax liability he faced as of February 2020.

This is literally no different then the 30+ crimes Trump was convicted of.

[NED funded]

Dont make that argument. Its rather simple. Hunter Biden was investigated for years, and had his case sent to trial and the tax case he pled guilty to all of the charges. If he was guilty of selling influence then he would have been convicted of it. Given that he wasnt found guilty and the guy that claimed he sold influence pled guilty for lying about it, its pretty obvious he didnt sell influence.

After this if people claim he sold influence then they are lying and have no respect for the justice system

[Bodakane]

Dont make that argument. Its rather simple. Hunter Biden was investigated for years, and had his case sent to trial and the tax case he pled guilty to all of the charges. If he was guilty of selling influence then he would have been convicted of it. Given that he wasnt found guilty and the guy that claimed he sold influence pled guilty for lying about it, its pretty obvious he didnt sell influence.

After this if people claim he sold influence then they are lying and have no respect for the justice system

My argument is solid. Not paying your taxes is less bad than a former president abusing campaign finance laws to pay off a striper.

[NED funded]

My argument is solid. Not paying your taxes is less bad than a former president abusing campaign finance laws to pay off a striper.

Nah, in this case claiming that Hunter Biden has sold influence is a complete lie. A fabrication by delluded conservatives that have no principles

That should be the focus. Always. Hunter Biden had a politically charged investigation and prosecution. Even when Congress investigated they found no evidence of wrongdoing on that end(selling influence). They desperarely tried to find evidence of selling influence but nothing came close to making that case.