Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Endus]

oh ok my bad, 7 million voters lost, wow you sure showed me! they sure ran the prefect campaign! that's why Harris is president elect now and not Trump.

I guess those magical votes you said were coming in election night finally did!

Again, the full blame for the outcome of the 2024 election can't be entirely placed on the two campaigns. Voters make their own choices, and they can and should be held accountable for the decisions they made. A shitty campaign didn't make Americans stay home. They chose to, letting Trump and his fascists take over.

That's the voters' fault. Not the Democrats'. Shoveling all that blame onto the Democrats is just an attempt to evade personal accountability for personal choices.

[PhaelixWW]

oh ok my bad, 7 million voters lost, wow you sure showed me! they sure ran the prefect campaign! that's why Harris is president elect now and not Trump.

I guess those magical votes you said were coming in election night finally did!

Just over 6 million, actually. And nothing magical about it. It was written on every election results site, for anyone with sense to see.

We also all knew that 2020 was a high mark for turnout and that 2024 was going to be lower, a point I brought up repeatedly:

Honestly, the turnout for 2024 is likely to be lower altogether than 2020. Don't underestimate the impact that the pandemic had on voter turnout.

Don't forget about the pandemic effect. I also expect the overall voter turnout to be down a bit from 2020...

Was that magic, too? Or just common sense?

Turnout was 3.2 million lower this time around. So minus Harris's share of that lower turnout, she really only "lost" something like 4.5 million votes. Still bad, but...

...as has been covered many times, Democrats got pinched at the polls, unfairly, for being in charge during a global inflation surge. The same thing will happen to the GoP, I have no doubt (though more fairly, due to Trump's tariffs plan).

[Glorious Leader]

You could do that.

Or you can campaign with the Cheneys and insult the people that voted for you.

50/50

The consultants who run the democrat party made a killing this year. Whats that quote about it being very hard to make a man understand something when his salary depends on it.

[fwc577]

I see there is talks about the Biden Health Coverup being the most under-represented story of 2024.

God, I hate this take on the situation.

It wasn't under-reported at all.

His inner circle hid the health concerns for probably a couple of years now. The debate got held. We ALL saw how bad it actually was. And then the media reported on it until he was forced to drop out.

Also, looking back at everything.

I truly believe that the best timeline involving Trump saw him win re-election in 2020 and we'd finally be done with this shit. HOWEVER, I do think we're still on an "okay" timeline with him getting re-elected after having dealt with Biden's health fiasco for a few reasons.

1 - We're about to watch a second, should-be, geriatric patient go through 4 years in the White House and it's not going to be a favorable look for him or the GOP over the next 4 years.

2 - Couch Fucker ain't it for the next President

3 - If Joe lost re-election, we could've seen a situation where we had Coconuts running for President in 2028

Dems need to straighten out their fucking act for sure, but I'm looking forward to what Dems will do following this lame duck presidency.

[Malkiah]

I see there is talks about the Biden Health Coverup being the most under-represented story of 2024.

i know that there is a 40 year time difference between them and that society and culture changes and it's not a direct 1:1 thing, but i find it rather fascinating to look at the difference in media reporting and general zeitgeist regarding biden vs. reagan in his second term who was in a similar situation.
the monumental work the media and institutions did to strongly reject the idea that that reagan had any mental problems, followed by his death from alzheimer's related complications just 5 years later, when considering his general state in the latter half of his second term it's just quite remarkable the difference between then and now.

like i said i know times change and there's a vast difference in the landscape in every way, but on a surface level just looking at it from the perspective of same situation but republican vs. democrat it's stark the contrast between how people react to it.

[tehdang]

I see there is talks about the Biden Health Coverup being the most under-represented story of 2024.

God, I hate this take on the situation.

It wasn't under-reported at all.

His inner circle hid the health concerns for probably a couple of years now. The debate got held. We ALL saw how bad it actually was. And then the media reported on it until he was forced to drop out.

You understand how backward it is that the media was duped by all the Biden senior staffers telling them that Biden was mentally sharp and running circles around them behind the scenes?

There's a thing called investigative journalism. Well, at least there should be such a thing. The media catches wind of something, that Biden has bad days and good days, and the bad days are pretty bad, and they probe. They don't let go of the story despite admin denials. And they had reason to keep digging. Biden had pre-written questions in his hand in the Rose Garden press conference, with a picture and name of the questioner. Later on, the Hur transcripts, and the refusal to release the audio. He walks off sets in the middle of interviews.

Reporters weren't the ones pushing hard on finding out how Biden actually was out of public. It was the American people that took the lead roll, simply by answering polls that they were concerned about Biden's age. Then reporters reported on that, and Biden allies pushed back. It's the Biden admin's right to respond angrily and diminish the reporters for asking questions, but in a better time, the reporters themselves would push back even harder. That wasn't seen until the very last. Reporters know it, and the public knows it.

1 - We're about to watch a second, should-be, geriatric patient go through 4 years in the White House and it's not going to be a favorable look for him or the GOP over the next 4 years.

2 - Couch Fucker ain't it for the next President

3 - If Joe lost re-election, we could've seen a situation where we had Coconuts running for President in 2028

They covered it up, and reported half-heartedly, and backed down for precisely this reason. No left-leaning reporter wanted to be held responsible for helping Trump win an election. They knew that if their story was the one that broke the stonewall from Biden allies, they would never live it down.

Yes, it was the most underreported story in 2024, and probably the second half of 2023. Yes, reporters should hang their heads in shame at being rebuffed quite successfully. Biden is powerless and on his way out, and his son is pardoned, so all these stories now require no bravery to publish. Before the disastrous debate, it took guts. The stories were scattered, and tentative, like it was all about voter polls, or political responses to Hur, or Republicans pouncing. For all their efforts to no-report or under-report the story, the Biden-friendly media only succeeded in depriving Democrats of a more conventional primary and election season. They got their just desserts, if you ask me.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Psst, you wanna see a dead political party?

https://x.com/Metis65/status/1873808865042854190

[Shadowferal]

Psst, you wanna see a dead political party?

Seems to me we already have that...poor little maggats.

[Edge-]

Psst, you wanna see a dead political party?

https://x.com/Metis65/status/1873808865042854190

Dems need to start embracing better/faster/cheaper for citizens.

That's literally more globalism and free trade, trading "good high paying American jobs" for cheap, quickly produced garbage abroad.

People really just don't think about the words they say or write on the internet very much, nowadays. Just vomit stuff out without any apparent understanding, likely because this is a literally who random linking to an article on "evil, metropolitan, elitest, leftist" Atlantic Magazine.

You write the weirdest stuff, somewhatconcerned. After years of predicting red waves and tsunamis that never appeared I'd have thought you'd be a bit more cautious with your bold, ambitious predictions for the future. But I guess there's always a street corner.

[Doomcookie]

Psst, you wanna see a dead political party?

https://x.com/Metis65/status/1873808865042854190

Didn't you say that in 2020 and 2022, when you were shilling for Trump?

Didn't you disappear each time it was proven false? Lying for rapists as a hobby seems pretty weird.

[fwc577]

...as has been covered many times, Democrats got pinched at the polls, unfairly, for being in charge during a global inflation surge. The same thing will happen to the GoP, I have no doubt (though more fairly, due to Trump's tariffs plan).

We will see a 2026 midterm wipeout of the GOP because of the shit policies of Trump. At which point, Trump will officially be a lameduck President (which he practically is already).

In 2026, there will be 20 Rep Seats and 13 Dem Seats up for election and if Dems are smart, they're currently looking for candidates to contest each and every single senate race.

In the last race for these 20 Rep seats...

9 Seats were won by Republicans with 55% or less

2 more were won by Republicans with 60% or less

7 more were won by Republicans with 66.5% or less

Mitch McConnell is retiring as well. I know there were hopes back in 2020 his seat could flip. Lindsay Graham is in the same boat as he is also running for re-election, might he also retire? And there are potential for some easy pickups. Susan Collins, Joni Ernst, John Cornyn.

If we end up with a big shift in races, like we did in 2018, I'd say there are 9 seats that could potentially be pickups.

Then we move into 2028, next Presidential election. We've got even more scary seats up for grabs potentially...

Ron Johnson, Lisa Murkowski, Ted Budd.

I could see the potential for 2028 being an electoral blowout of the couch fucker and the next Dem president entering office with a healthy senate majority.

[Somewhatconcerned]

We will see a 2026 midterm wipeout of the GOP because of the shit policies of Trump. At which point, Trump will officially be a lameduck President (which he practically is already).

In 2026, there will be 20 Rep Seats and 13 Dem Seats up for election and if Dems are smart, they're currently looking for candidates to contest each and every single senate race.

In the last race for these 20 Rep seats...

9 Seats were won by Republicans with 55% or less

2 more were won by Republicans with 60% or less

7 more were won by Republicans with 66.5% or less

Mitch McConnell is retiring as well. I know there were hopes back in 2020 his seat could flip. Lindsay Graham is in the same boat as he is also running for re-election, might he also retire? And there are potential for some easy pickups. Susan Collins, Joni Ernst, John Cornyn.

If we end up with a big shift in races, like we did in 2018, I'd say there are 9 seats that could potentially be pickups.

Then we move into 2028, next Presidential election. We've got even more scary seats up for grabs potentially...

Ron Johnson, Lisa Murkowski, Ted Budd.

I could see the potential for 2028 being an electoral blowout of the couch fucker and the next Dem president entering office with a healthy senate majority.

LOL literally none of this will happen.

Let me guess - Gavin Newsom to save the day in 2028?

[fwc577]

LOL literally none of this will happen.

Let me guess - Gavin Newsom to save the day in 2028?

Two things.

Not Newsom. I know the GOP would love Newsom because they'd have a fighting chance with Couch Fucker as the front runner.

Don't reply to me again.

[uuuhname]

Biden white house set to honor Liz Cheney and others with top civilian award.

LOL

LMAO

LMFAO

so after doing fuck all to help the Dem's chances this last election and voting with the Republicans 90+% of the time, and being on record about how thrilled she was that the Dobbs decision happened: she gets a fucking medal, for saying Jan 6th was bad. what a absolute fucking joke this party and administration is. it's not enough to eat shit in such spectacular fashion no, they have to give a thank you card to the people who outside of one fucking event have been arch neocons for their entire political career, because that's the exact sort of politics that's gets you noticed by the Democrats. because they want to be republicans themselves. it's almost like the Democratic leadership is saying out loud that nothing is going to change going forward! fuck at this point I bet by 2028 they're going to be insisting that Liz be the democratic nominee.

what a dog shit political party. I cannot wait to see them continue losing all while the cultists~ oh I'm sorry, sycophants~ oh IM SORRY the party loyalists insist it has to be this way to win. keep losing, losers!

[Malkiah]

I cannot wait to see them continue losing

i do have to wonder, are folks such as yourself who spew this sort of nonsense even aware of how monumentally stupid this is?
i get that most if not all of you are partisan hacks mostly incapable of processing information outside of your irrational biases, but come the fuck on.

the democrats will not continue losing no matter how dog shit useless they are, because that's not how US politics works.
the republicans will not continue losing no matter how dog shit useless they are, because that's not how US politics works.
both parties will continue to be useless dog shit (while republicans will continue to be fresher dog shit) and both parties will continue to win some elections and lose others, and round and round it goes, for probably at least another 50-100 years.

i'd wager nothing will change in the political environment of the US until some significant external factor changes human existence permanently.
a single disaster won't do it and neither will incremental enshittification, i'm talking like "there is literally no more oil on planet earth" type of thing where the entire structure of human society needs to change - that *might* lead to a shake up in US politics, but other than that nothing ever sticks.
US politics is a newton's cradle with Ds on one end and Rs on the other, with the populace in the middle - they smash into us over and over in order to propel the other side, and every time one ball goes up all the morons in the middle think "welp that's it! we're never see that ball ever again!"

it would be comical if it weren't so predictable and pathetic.

[Doomcookie]

LOL literally none of this will happen.

Let me guess - Gavin Newsom to save the day in 2028?

You said the same thing before, and literally disappeared the second you were shown to be wrong.

When you get caught lying for rapists, you really should stop.

[Ivanstone]

Reminder that Biden's done some good work on his way out.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/05/bide...x-newtab-en-us

Senate Tally: 76-20 (All nays are GOP)
House Tally: 327 - 75 (71 nays are GOP)

[Somewhatconcerned]

Biden white house set to honor Liz Cheney and others with top civilian award.

LOL

LMAO

LMFAO

so after doing fuck all to help the Dem's chances this last election and voting with the Republicans 90+% of the time, and being on record about how thrilled she was that the Dobbs decision happened: she gets a fucking medal, for saying Jan 6th was bad. what a absolute fucking joke this party and administration is. it's not enough to eat shit in such spectacular fashion no, they have to give a thank you card to the people who outside of one fucking event have been arch neocons for their entire political career, because that's the exact sort of politics that's gets you noticed by the Democrats. because they want to be republicans themselves. it's almost like the Democratic leadership is saying out loud that nothing is going to change going forward! fuck at this point I bet by 2028 they're going to be insisting that Liz be the democratic nominee.

what a dog shit political party. I cannot wait to see them continue losing all while the cultists~ oh I'm sorry, sycophants~ oh IM SORRY the party loyalists insist it has to be this way to win. keep losing, losers!

Savage.

But fair.

[PhaelixWW]

Savage.

But fair.

Counterpoint: Stupid and wrong.

Anyone who thinks that Democrats want to be Republicans based on a "thank you card" doesn't just not understand Democrats (even the Democrat leadership, which isn't exactly the same thing), but absolutely doesn't understand Republicans (even the pre-MAGA Republicans, which isn't exactly the same thing), either.

It's a trash take from a deeply bitter shitposter, and your agreement is just the underline and exclamation point that proves it.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Counterpoint: Stupid and wrong.

Anyone who thinks that Democrats want to be Republicans based on a "thank you card" doesn't just not understand Democrats (even the Democrat leadership, which isn't exactly the same thing), but absolutely doesn't understand Republicans (even the pre-MAGA Republicans, which isn't exactly the same thing), either.

It's a trash take from a deeply bitter shitposter, and your agreement is just the underline and exclamation point that proves it.

"I don't really care, do you?"

Dems are rendered largely useless for a generation anyway, but all the post-mortem takes are interesting nonetheless.


Infracted.