Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Kathandira]

Biden Leaves Office Less Popular Than Trump After January 6

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/arti...ing-trump.html

Donald Trump’s job approval ratings dropped from 42.4 percent to 38.4 percent, according to the FiveThirtyEight averages. At present, Biden’s job-approval rating according to the same averages is 37.1 percent; it has been below 38 percent since November 26.

something called 'intelligencer' is definitely a place I would get my fact based news.

[Draco-Onis]

It doesnt regulate AI it regulates where datacenters and people working for AI work are from. Which is fair for countries like China but many other countries are dumb. Like Mexico.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-a...-china-russia/

As for AI regulation. Thats dumb. There is a reason the US dominates, its not bc we take a defeatist attitude like the EU does. Do shit break stuff.

You do realize that the "stuff" that are going to break are people's lives right? The EU is protecting its people's privacy and safety. AI is being pushed because it helps profit at the cost of people, innovation isn't always good. We didn't look at nuclear power and go let's break stuff but for some reason people are dumb enough to think possibly world changing technology doesn't need to be approached with caution and regulation.

I don't think we should sacrifice people just so billionaires can get another yacht or add zeroes to their Swiss bank accounts.

[Odinfrost]

You do realize that the "stuff" that are going to break are people's lives right? The EU is protecting its people's privacy and safety. AI is being pushed because it helps profit at the cost of people, innovation isn't always good. We didn't look at nuclear power and go let's break stuff but for some reason people are dumb enough to think possibly world changing technology doesn't need to be approached with caution and regulation.

I don't think we should sacrifice people just so billionaires can get another yacht or add zeroes to their Swiss bank accounts.

No, see. Innovation is good. But unfortunately, the super capitalists of the world has twisted and corrupted the usefulness of innovation to reach higher profits at the costs of everyone else.
Innovation was to make lives easier for people. To lessen the workload, physically and mentally. To shorten the workday for the workers for same benefits and income. To grand more freetime without sacrificing income.
But instead, it's used to replace people, and increase their workload since they can now work faster. Jobs becoming harder and more straining. Slaves for a wage. And even as better and better tools get made, the expectation of the individual worker increases more than the tools benefit, unless the tool can replace a human in which case it does.
Only so the top can watch their funny number go higher and higher. Because that's all they care about. Because for them, the funny number is infinitely more important than the ones truly responsible to make that number go up.

[Kaleredar]

No, see. Innovation is good. But unfortunately, the super capitalists of the world has twisted and corrupted the usefulness of innovation to reach higher profits at the costs of everyone else.
Innovation was to make lives easier for people. To lessen the workload, physically and mentally. To shorten the workday for the workers for same benefits and income. To grand more freetime without sacrificing income.
But instead, it's used to replace people, and increase their workload since they can now work faster. Jobs becoming harder and more straining. Slaves for a wage. And even as better and better tools get made, the expectation of the individual worker increases more than the tools benefit, unless the tool can replace a human in which case it does.
Only so the top can watch their funny number go higher and higher. Because that's all they care about. Because for them, the funny number is infinitely more important than the ones truly responsible to make that number go up.

I’ve more glib take on “AI:”


It freakin’ sucks. I don’t mean “awww it sucks that it exists,” I mean it isn’t very good. It’s a solution… kind of… looking for a problem that we already have the solution to. And it doesn’t do these things better, it just does them worse, faster.

It could be extremely useful in certain scenarios like cancer and disease detection, fire detection, environmental planning and so forth, but that’s not the bulk of AI being foisted on us. It’s all basically glorified clippy office management bullshit, exasperating art and text models, and other opaque crap that sounds good in a business presentation as ways to “optimize your synergy” but is really just jargon hype nothingness.

[Odinfrost]

I’ve more glib take on “AI:”


It freakin’ sucks. I don’t mean “awww it sucks that it exists,” I mean it isn’t very good. It’s a solution… kind of… looking for a problem that we already have the solution to. And it doesn’t do these things better, it just does them worse, faster.

It could be extremely useful in certain scenarios like cancer and disease detection, fire detection, environmental planning and so forth, but that’s not the bulk of AI being foisted on us. It’s all basically glorified clippy office management bullshit, exasperating art and text models, and other opaque crap that sounds good in a business presentation as ways to “optimize your synergy” but is really just jargon hype nothingness.

That is fair. Misapplication of the innovation. Which, once again, is thanks to greed. Because they want to use it to get relatively expensive stuff for free which is easy to replace.
An AI that can detect cancer early? Super useful. But it does not get rid of the doctor, so it's just an additional expense. So what's the point when you can't save money? How can they have all the money, when they have to do something so stupid as pay wages? Why would they do that? They lose money because of it. Money, mone, money, profits, no taxes, slave workers, money, cash, profits, money profit, growth, grofit.

[Draco-Onis]

No, see. Innovation is good. But unfortunately, the super capitalists of the world has twisted and corrupted the usefulness of innovation to reach higher profits at the costs of everyone else.
Innovation was to make lives easier for people. To lessen the workload, physically and mentally. To shorten the workday for the workers for same benefits and income. To grand more freetime without sacrificing income.
But instead, it's used to replace people, and increase their workload since they can now work faster. Jobs becoming harder and more straining. Slaves for a wage. And even as better and better tools get made, the expectation of the individual worker increases more than the tools benefit, unless the tool can replace a human in which case it does.
Only so the top can watch their funny number go higher and higher. Because that's all they care about. Because for them, the funny number is infinitely more important than the ones truly responsible to make that number go up.

Don't forget the other use cases for AI which are monitoring people 24/7 and sucking our personal data dry or in wars where AI mass murdering machines are killing thousands of people indiscriminately. AI is also a way for companies to shrug responsibility hey it's not our fault this happen to you it's the AI. When this nightmarish bubble pops the global economy is going to crash hard.

[Trumpwonumad]

something called 'intelligencer' is definitely a place I would get my fact based news.

Washington post said the same but than again it don't matter since it will be dismissed and denied.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-job-approval/

[En Sabah Nur]

"Incoming president seen as more favorable than outgoing president." is hardly anything new.

[Trumpwonumad]

"Incoming president seen as more favorable than outgoing president." is hardly anything new.

Outgoing president lower approval than former president rating even after the dreaded January 6th Lets not down play it. Joe Biden Is the Least Popular President in 75 Years

[NED funded]

You do realize that the "stuff" that are going to break are people's lives right? The EU is protecting its people's privacy and safety. AI is being pushed because it helps profit at the cost of people, innovation isn't always good. We didn't look at nuclear power and go let's break stuff but for some reason people are dumb enough to think possibly world changing technology doesn't need to be approached with caution and regulation.

I don't think we should sacrifice people just so billionaires can get another yacht or add zeroes to their Swiss bank accounts.

The counter point on this is that, nuclear energy has been stagnant for decades. The average age of nuclear power plants is I think 40 something years, with some of them being phased out. And that is in the US. Germany killed most if not the entirety of its nuclear fleet. The result of this is that we have become dependent on fossil fuels and climate change has become worse as a result of people like yourself.

You can regulate it if you want but the cost of this regulation will be a burden on future generations that will pay the price of not having more advanced AI. That is the attitude of Europeans, to regulate and stagnate, I want dynamism and in that the US tech sector dominates. We can criticize it for many things and believe me that I agree they deserve criticism but you cant disagree with the results of their attitudes. Google fundamentally changed the way we consume media via youtube and the way we explore the internet. Chromium is basically the only search engine around. That came from the US not the EU.

You can see a divergent story coming

[En Sabah Nur]

Outgoing president lower approval than former president rating even after the dreaded January 6th Lets not down play it. Joe Biden Is the Least Popular President in 75 Years

I'm not downplaying anything. I just don't put much stock in shit like this, where absolute clowns think Trump is better for things like jobs, or the economy, than Biden has demonstrably been.

[Trumpwonumad]

I'm not downplaying anything. I just don't put much stock in shit like this, where absolute clowns think Trump is better for things like jobs, or the economy, than Biden has demonstrably been.

Sounds like you think the Majority Of Americans Voters are Clowns. Biden was very disliked

Joe Biden Is One of 'Worst' Presidents in History, 1 in 5 Democrats Says
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-o...s-says-1929080

[Draco-Onis]

The counter point on this is that, nuclear energy has been stagnant for decades. The average age of nuclear power plants is I think 40 something years, with some of them being phased out. And that is in the US. Germany killed most if not the entirety of its nuclear fleet. The result of this is that we have become dependent on fossil fuels and climate change has become worse as a result of people like yourself.

False, modular nuclear reactors, mini reactors heck even thorium based reactors have made a come back. The reason nuclear power plants and reactors are not as popular have nothing to do with the technology but the nature of nuclear power and several high profile disasters. In spite of several advances when it comes to nuclear waste which now can be reused and no longer needs to stay in storage current power plants are simply stuck in limbo due to fear. I think your information is simply outdated and is just reflect common assumptions.

You can regulate it if you want but the cost of this regulation will be a burden on future generations that will pay the price of not having more advanced AI. That is the attitude of Europeans, to regulate and stagnate, I want dynamism and in that the US tech sector dominates. We can criticize it for many things and believe me that I agree they deserve criticism but you cant disagree with the results of their attitudes. Google fundamentally changed the way we consume media via youtube and the way we explore the internet. Chromium is basically the only search engine around. That came from the US not the EU.

Okay a ton of more false assumptions here firstly the cost of regulation will be paid by future generations because of the climate cost of AI to name just one which you are entirely dismissing. You are entirely dismissing the point of the technology which is to replace humans, Do you think that should be done lightly? have you missed the complete and utter disaster that is happening because of AI therapists? how about AI chat bots which are worsening the loneliness crisis?

You can see a divergent story coming

I am going to stop you right there because you are making my point for you GDP per capita. What has been the price of America's top GDP? we are at the bottom when it comes to education. lowest life expectancy, huge income inequality. We have more people in prison than anyone else in the world including China, we invented the term medical bankruptcy. None of the fundamental problems the US has that has resulted in 2 terms for Donald Trump shows up in GDP figures. The average American is obese on pain killers overworked and extremely unhappy but hey people like Elon Musk means that graph keeps going up.

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Sounds like you think the Majority Of Americans Voters are Clowns. Biden was very disliked

Joe Biden Is One of 'Worst' Presidents in History, 1 in 5 Democrats Says
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-o...s-says-1929080

Do you not know how math works? 1/5 is not a majority it's 20% /facepalm.

[En Sabah Nur]

Sounds like you think the Majority Of Americans Voters are Clowns. Biden was very disliked

Joe Biden Is One of 'Worst' Presidents in History, 1 in 5 Democrats Says
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-o...s-says-1929080

I... do you... do you think 1 in 5 is a majority, or... huh?

Anyway, no, I think things like that are utter trash. Explain to me how Biden is worse for the economy or jobs than Trump was/will be.

[Trumpwonumad]

Do you not know how math works? 1/5 is not a majority it's 20% /facepalm.

Sure if you wanna ignore the approval rating, All the polling on how unpopular he was and ignore what happened with the 2024 election sure! We can go with 20% that's why Biden did not drop out and Harris won in a landslide now snap back to reality from Bizarro World and Biden is a unpopular as Nixon.

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I... do you... do you think 1 in 5 is a majority, or... huh?

No I think he was unpopular even Gallup shows that

https://news.gallup.com/poll/329384/...joe-biden.aspx

Anyway, no, I think things like that are utter trash. Explain to me how Biden is worse for the economy or jobs than Trump was/will be.

But the president does not control the economy or Jobs was the talking point you guys had before Trump Won.

[En Sabah Nur]

Lord Almighty. I have better ways to waste my time than this.

Anyway, here is some good work Biden and his admin have done, that Trump will get to finish and completely claim as his own win.

[Doomcookie]

Biden Leaves Office Less Popular Than Trump After January 6

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/arti...ing-trump.html

Donald Trump’s job approval ratings dropped from 42.4 percent to 38.4 percent, according to the FiveThirtyEight averages. At present, Biden’s job-approval rating according to the same averages is 37.1 percent; it has been below 38 percent since November 26.

It's a weird flex to brag that you have no principles.

[Draco-Onis]

Sure if you wanna ignore the approval rating, All the polling on how unpopular he was and ignore what happened with the 2024 election sure! We can go with 20%

What are you talking about? Am I seriously having this conversation with you? 1/5 is 20% that's math. Do you need me to convince you that 1+1 = 2? What the actual fuck dude.

[Ivanstone]

Sounds like you think the Majority Of Americans Voters are Clowns. Biden was very disliked

Joe Biden Is One of 'Worst' Presidents in History, 1 in 5 Democrats Says
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-o...s-says-1929080

One president causes massive inflation along with his foreign allies. Had a massive list of scandals. Was so incompetent that he couldn't even pass a simple infrastructure bill.

Another president fixes the inflation problem while also passing an infrastructure bill that is the envy of the world. Gets saddled with a lower approval rating than the previous president.

The only reasonable conclusion I can draw from this data is the majority of Americans are clowns.

[Rustedsaint]

One president causes massive inflation along with his foreign allies. Had a massive list of scandals. Was so incompetent that he couldn't even pass a simple infrastructure bill.

Another president fixes the inflation problem while also passing an infrastructure bill that is the envy of the world. Gets saddled with a lower approval rating than the previous president.

The only reasonable conclusion I can draw from this data is the majority of Americans are clowns.

Nah just the people that think 1/5 is a majority.