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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    This shit is just crazy and I wanted to share:
    Free staters...libertarians. They just found out that part of their ideology is idiocy when they actually practice it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Free staters...libertarians. They just found out that part of their ideology is idiocy when they actually practice it.
    Yeah, in general though, this idea of "I don't care until it affects me" is so fucking blatant throughout all of American politics right now. The situation we're currently in is because we didn't have the turnout in 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016. Then in 2018 we finally decided that, oh shit, this stuff matters, and we've been working to correct it ever since but I am for sure, afraid of a backslide in 2022 who think that ousting Trump was enough.

    I'm sorry to say, the Republicans made huge gains in 4 election cycles. Democrats are just beginning by winning 2 election cycles. We cannot continue this trade off of letting Republicans win 4+ election cycles and then Democrats winning a couple of election cycles and expect us not to slide backwards as a Democracy.

    All the gerrymandering has put Republicans into a spot where if we had 100% turnout for all elections in 2022, I'm certain Democrats would end up with nearly 300 Democratic House seats and 6, maybe even more, gained Senate seats. Republicans rely on indifference and poor turnout.

    What NEEDS to happen for Democrats, is voter turnout that exceeds 50% in these midterms. I would prefer that the anger of overturning some of our rights by the Supreme Court results in 60% turnout, but that's wishful thinking in my opinion.

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    Dang I just realized my favorite person in the country is Joe Biden's press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre. Most people in the country are constantly being pessimistic and negative, meanwhile the press secretary is always spreading positivity and optimism in regards to the country. Press secretaries rock, imo.
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    Want to shoutout with a "Thanks Brandon" to Joe Biden.

    With the Jobs report released in the last week:

    372,000 jobs were added demolishing expectations

    155,000 people filed for first-time unemployment in April which is the LOWEST number in 50 years

    Gas prices have had some of the biggest, single-day drops since 2008

    While Gas prices are still recovering in the US, Europe is not seeing gas prices recover like the US

    The GDP has grown over the last half year by 5.3%

    Core inflation has dropped 3 months in a row now, which suggests that the current inflation issues are due to supply and not actual inflation.

    Trump and the GOP have been crying recession, recession, recession over and over but they forgot that the GOP isn't currently in power and passing legislation to bring our economy into recession. Stop voting for the people killing our Country. Stop voting for the GOP.
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    Remember how Trump promised "MEXICO WILL PAY FOR THE WALL"?

    Why am I posting this question in the Biden thread? Well -

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/abc-...ry?id=86672772

    Mexico on Tuesday agreed to contribute $1.5 billion to a joint initiative with the U.S. to improve infrastructure along the U.S.-Mexico border, according to a person familiar with the commitment.
    Granted it's not going to pay for "THE WALL", but I don't recall if Trump was able to get Mexico to pay for...well...anything relating to the border during his four years? Meanwhile, in year two Biden secured over $1B in funding that would help border security and improve processing as a benefit for both nations.

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    BREAKING: Sen. Joe Manchin has told Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer he will oppose an economic measure if it includes climate or energy provisions or boosts taxes on the rich or corporations, according to a Democrat briefed on the conversations.

    Sen. Joe Manchin has said he’ll oppose an economic measure he’s been negotiating with Democratic leaders if it includes climate or energy provisions or higher taxes on the rich and corporations, a Democrat briefed on the conversations said late Thursday, delivering a stunning blow to one of the party’s top election-year priorities.
    Just a pure piece of feces. I hate him so much.

    Not only killing any climate action, which to be fair the corporate Dems usually help by nerfing this anyways. Manchin does more to hinder any Dem substantial legislation than any other he has to go.

    I know, I know. I will get the people who have always told me he helps electing some frikin federal judge somewhere. But enough is enough. The difference between him and say a Collins, Murkowski is they are on the team. Never fall for the Collins "this concerns me" or " I didn't think he would do that" bs. They are the TEAM! They fall in line and know that voting Republican agenda moves forward conservatism for them. The Dems and well Manchin don't get that Republicans will NEVER vote for their laws or even compromise. So yeah you need 100% of Dem voters on board, especially with slim margins.

    Manchin is the worst in that him alone is killing every Dem movement nationwide. Which is why I don't get the Dem leadership. Realizing that by him killing everything he is bleeding votes nationwide from other Dem races, especially the federal election. "As we say, why should I harder, when some dipshit Dem is going to kill the bill".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    BREAKING: Sen. Joe Manchin has told Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer he will oppose an economic measure if it includes climate or energy provisions or boosts taxes on the rich or corporations, according to a Democrat briefed on the conversations.



    Just a pure piece of feces. I hate him so much.

    Not only killing any climate action, which to be fair the corporate Dems usually help by nerfing this anyways. Manchin does more to hinder any Dem substantial legislation than any other he has to go.

    I know, I know. I will get the people who have always told me he helps electing some frikin federal judge somewhere. But enough is enough. The difference between him and say a Collins, Murkowski is they are on the team. Never fall for the Collins "this concerns me" or " I didn't think he would do that" bs. They are the TEAM! They fall in line and know that voting Republican agenda moves forward conservatism for them. The Dems and well Manchin don't get that Republicans will NEVER vote for their laws or even compromise. So yeah you need 100% of Dem voters on board, especially with slim margins.

    Manchin is the worst in that him alone is killing every Dem movement nationwide. Which is why I don't get the Dem leadership. Realizing that by him killing everything he is bleeding votes nationwide from other Dem races, especially the federal election. "As we say, why should I harder, when some dipshit Dem is going to kill the bill".
    Also, let's be clear; this is open and naked class war. If you're opposing higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations, you're empowering the already-empowered at the expense of the working class. If you're earning less than a half mil a year or so, people like Manchin are your enemies. They are engaged in a class war aimed at directly and indirectly harming you and everyone like you. That's their stated intent; he's saying that, right out loud, right here.

    You folks need to start realizing you're not just in a class war, you're losing the class war, and the only people you're listening to are the victors who're telling you that you deserved to lose.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Also, let's be clear; this is open and naked class war. If you're opposing higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations, you're empowering the already-empowered at the expense of the working class. If you're earning less than a half mil a year or so, people like Manchin are your enemies. They are engaged in a class war aimed at directly and indirectly harming you and everyone like you. That's their stated intent; he's saying that, right out loud, right here.

    You folks need to start realizing you're not just in a class war, you're losing the class war, and the only people you're listening to are the victors who're telling you that you deserved to lose.
    So likely goes in "Roe v Wade" thread but...


    BREAKING: 20 major corporations have donated and RSVP’d to the Republican Attorney General Association's luxurious 5-star resort retreat this weekend.

    They’re contributing up to $250,000 to “help combat the Democrats’ pro-abortion agenda.”


    Alright this has to do with Roe but it's fairly easy that wealthy and corporations are funding fascism, aka the Republicans. The Dems on the other hand are not innocent bystanders or non-willing participants. They seem to take the money and just block things or idly stand band while rights get taken away.

    My tie in here is Home Depot, based in Georgia has donated $1 million to Herschel Walker campaign. So lets boycott Home Depot and shop at Lowes. Well, from above Lowe's is a sponsor, donator to this retreat. The article or nobody goes on record to state that abortion will be discussed and yes, likely this about "how can we deregulate to make more money" retreat. But this is funding the fascism that will lead to rights being taken away.

    All in all, corporations and the wealthy seem to be fine with a fascism if you make more money. You watched as some backed away on Jan 6th but as predicted it took barely 6 months and they were back donating to the Republican party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    So likely goes in "Roe v Wade" thread but...


    BREAKING: 20 major corporations have donated and RSVP’d to the Republican Attorney General Association's luxurious 5-star resort retreat this weekend.

    They’re contributing up to $250,000 to “help combat the Democrats’ pro-abortion agenda.”


    Alright this has to do with Roe but it's fairly easy that wealthy and corporations are funding fascism, aka the Republicans. The Dems on the other hand are not innocent bystanders or non-willing participants. They seem to take the money and just block things or idly stand band while rights get taken away.

    My tie in here is Home Depot, based in Georgia has donated $1 million to Herschel Walker campaign. So lets boycott Home Depot and shop at Lowes. Well, from above Lowe's is a sponsor, donator to this retreat. The article or nobody goes on record to state that abortion will be discussed and yes, likely this about "how can we deregulate to make more money" retreat. But this is funding the fascism that will lead to rights being taken away.

    All in all, corporations and the wealthy seem to be fine with a fascism if you make more money. You watched as some backed away on Jan 6th but as predicted it took barely 6 months and they were back donating to the Republican party.
    Honestly, I think you're underestimating capitalist manipulation. Take a look into Vanguard and Blackrock sometime. You get major asset holders like that who're major voting shares on the boards of, say, both Coke and Pepsi, because the "competition" is nonexistent in practice because capitalists realized it was way more profitable to just control all sides of the competition and profit either way.

    Same for politics. Hence why companies will donate to both Democrats and Republicans.


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    fascism has two wings: the right wing authoritarian's and the corporate backers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    White House faces disaster with young voters

    Biden’s approval rating has declined across the board among Democrats, but the figures with people under 30 years old is cratering.
    It's true that the vast majority of Dems don't want him as the nominee, but it's also true that the vast majority of Dems will vote for him if he is. This doesn't necessarily mean much yet.

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    Just saw a pic of him on CNN...jesus he looks really old. And not good old like he did before the campaign. I would be very surprised if he runs for a second term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurasu View Post
    It's true that the vast majority of Dems don't want him as the nominee, but it's also true that the vast majority of Dems will vote for him if he is. This doesn't necessarily mean much yet.
    Also, “disapproval of Biden” does not equate to “approval of trump”
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Just saw a pic of him on CNN...jesus he looks really old. And not good old like he did before the campaign. I would be very surprised if he runs for a second term.
    He said he wouldn't when he was doing his initial campaign, so it's disappointing that he's trying to decide whether or not to go back on that now. It would be nice for him to open up the field sooner than later, but we do need to get through the midterms first either way, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurasu View Post
    He said he wouldn't when he was doing his initial campaign, so it's disappointing that he's trying to decide whether or not to go back on that now. It would be nice for him to open up the field sooner than later, but we do need to get through the midterms first either way, I guess.
    Deciding on a candidate now just gives the GOP time to wind up their mud-slinging campaign. Plus, the president basically saying "hey yeah I'mma be headin out soon" before the midterms is a terrible strategy for drumming up support.

    Besides the "let's go Brandon" morons who would have hated the democrat president no matter what they did or who they were, the GOP has been abysmal at drumming up hate campaigns against Biden. Over the entire course of the lead up to the 2020 election their ire was focused on people like Bernie or AOC or Hillary or Hunter Biden... all of whom, notably, weren't Biden himself. Even when Biden was the nominee, they painted him as the "secret socialist puppet of Bernie and AOC" because they couldn't get anything to stick to him.

    Liberals' dissatisfaction with him comes from him not being liberal enough for them, and is certainly not something that would tip them into supporting a republican candidate, much less a potential Trump round two.

    All the GOP have to run on is outrage, and the less preparation they have and the less time they're allowed to sling mud the worse their chances are.
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    Kaleredar is right...
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    Tell me why the DNC isn't openly and frequently telling Manchin they are going to spend whatever it takes to primary his ass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Tell me why the DNC isn't openly and frequently telling Manchin they are going to spend whatever it takes to primary his ass?
    A mixture, because they want power and they need him for now and because many of them agree with him. Remember the age of these people and what they grew up around and the mindset they grew up in, most of them clung to it, even if they aren't overt in it. But you don't really see them actively taking much initiative except when it came to fighting against Sanders and AOC and going as far as to changing their own rules after AOC won to prevent more like her from coming up in their ranks.

    Make no mistake about it, they are better than the Republicans and I will continue to vote. But many of them privately believe what the Republican's publicly dog whistle. Look no further than gay marriage, the Democrats really didn't support it till the Supreme Court took that political football out of their hands, before that, it was lip service.

    Largely this nation won't have much of this fixed for another 10 years assuming the GOP doesn't destroy us in all the ways that matter before then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Tell me why the DNC isn't openly and frequently telling Manchin they are going to spend whatever it takes to primary his ass?
    Because he'd switch parties and they'd immediately lose the senate. These types of things only work when you've got a safe majority, and you actually have a chance of winning with someone else in that state. WV is red. Very red. Manchin is the best you're going to get out of there. Tell me why that's so hard to understand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Tell me why the DNC isn't openly and frequently telling Manchin they are going to spend whatever it takes to primary his ass?
    He'd switch parties, retire at the end of his term (He's already hinted at that), and give the GOP full control over the senate. West Virginia is one of if not the most Red state in the Union. Without Manchin, that's going to be two republican senators during our lifetimes in W.Virginia.

    There's no primary him because like is said it's one of the reddest states in the US. Anyone else would lose by maybe 30% of the vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Deciding on a candidate now just gives the GOP time to wind up their mud-slinging campaign. Plus, the president basically saying "hey yeah I'mma be headin out soon" before the midterms is a terrible strategy for drumming up support.

    Besides the "let's go Brandon" morons who would have hated the democrat president no matter what they did or who they were, the GOP has been abysmal at drumming up hate campaigns against Biden. Over the entire course of the lead up to the 2020 election their ire was focused on people like Bernie or AOC or Hillary or Hunter Biden... all of whom, notably, weren't Biden himself. Even when Biden was the nominee, they painted him as the "secret socialist puppet of Bernie and AOC" because they couldn't get anything to stick to him.

    Liberals' dissatisfaction with him comes from him not being liberal enough for them, and is certainly not something that would tip them into supporting a republican candidate, much less a potential Trump round two.

    All the GOP have to run on is outrage, and the less preparation they have and the less time they're allowed to sling mud the worse their chances are.
    Exactly, I think the smart play would to have Biden say he is running again so that hopefully Republicans will focus some resources on dealing with him. Don't give them a couple years to throw everything at the kitchen wall to see what will stick to a new runner up. We saw what happened with Clinton and how years of mudslinging did have some impact.

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