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  1. #201
    Hate is never understandable and it's sad these kinds of words even get conjured in some heads, let alone make it so far as to get written publicly on the internet.

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    As someone who played a Forsaken Priest during Legion, I've found her journey to be pretty good, and am only sad that -as usual- a lot of her character build-up was not in-game, but in the novels.
    I did not hit that snowmound, it's not true! It's bullshit, I did not hit it. I did NAHT.
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  3. #203
    I for one is getting very sick of the Horde getting our characters. Not only was Calia originally an Alliance character but we even saw her in game in her alive human form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valandale View Post
    What does Valeera even have to do with the Horde beyond being a fel-exposed High Elf? She was enslaved as a Gladiator by the Horde, Thrall's Horde by the way. She also isn't even a part of the Alliance. She's Khadgar tier levels of neutral with loyalty towards the Wrynn family. If you tried to force her to join either faction she'd probably just gank whoever was pushing for that and just leave. She serves as a line of diplomacy between both sides.
    Khadgar is Alliance as well.

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    I only think her being in Orgrimmar is weird in the same way that Forsaken being in the Horde is weird. It doesn't shock me that the Forsaken who are mostly from Lordaeron want to be led by a Menethil. These are her people.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Shedaar View Post
    Yes that's exactly what I am saying.
    How can you tell she's good character when she has done nothing?
    If she does something cool then I will give her credits.
    For now she sucks. Like Calia. And Baine. Bland, no flavor.
    Literally what? Read all these paragraphs and say that again:

    https://wow.gamepedia.com/Alleria_Windrunner#Legion

    Absorbing two Void demi-gods and becoming the first mortal to successfully defy the shadows' whispers is more than Sylvanas and every other mortal could hope to accomplish in their pathetic existences.

    And note that I only selected what she did in WoW, she did A LOT in WC2 too, as she was a hero unit.

  6. #206
    Calia doesn't even look udead, like a human/draenei hybrid, why is she even in horde...not bad ass in any way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Literally what? Read all these paragraphs and say that again:

    https://wow.gamepedia.com/Alleria_Windrunner#Legion

    Absorbing two Void demi-gods and becoming the first mortal to successfully defy the shadows' whispers is more than Sylvanas and every other mortal could hope to accomplish in their pathetic existences.

    And note that I only selected what she did in WoW, she did A LOT in WC2 too, as she was a hero unit.
    Alleria feels forced, she's a windrunner so lets throw some corruption her way...i guess 3rd sister will become mecha elf n go to war against curse of flesh...just u wait..

  7. #207
    "Hate" is strongly put. Many Horde/Forsaken players simply think they don't belong in the Horde. And I agree, she has not ties to the Horde, and her being Menethil isn't enough for her to lead the Forsaken. A Menethil was the whole reason why Forsaken are well... Forsaken, why would they want another Menethil leading them?

  8. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by Tincjin View Post
    "Hate" is strongly put. Many Horde/Forsaken players simply think they don't belong in the Horde. And I agree, she has not ties to the Horde, and her being Menethil isn't enough for her to lead the Forsaken. A Menethil was the whole reason why Forsaken are well... Forsaken, why would they want another Menethil leading them?
    Well, as a Forsaken main (and many, many alts), I welcome the story a Menethil leading the Lordaeron Forsaken, excatly because of the baggage Calia brings. It's a very interesting idea and can brings a lot of internal conflict within the faction. While I like Lillian a lot (she deserves her own model, tbh), from her first questline to her actions in BfA, I don't think she's leader material. She's the Mathias Shaw of the Forsaken (or she should be), leading elite assassins for the Horde. It's the perfect role for her, meaningful but not as involved in politics.

    Back to Calia : I think her legitimacy in ruling Lordaeron is a really great starting point to rebuilt a new Forsaken faction following Sylvanas departure. I'm a fervent Sylvanas loyalist, loved all the quests in Silverpine, the war on the Worgens - all of this is amazing and I RP'd the sh*t out of it - but the Forsaken need something new. Without Sylvanas, we are non-existent within the Horde, and we don't fit with either the Tribal side (Orcs/Taurens/Trolls/Vulpera) or the Magic side (Blood Elves/Nightborne). With the fall of Undercity, we don't even have a home anymore. All of this needs to be adressed and Calia is a great way to bring some conflict and complexity into it. Some will reject her, some will accept her. She won't be able to be a queen as Sylvanas was, but maybe rule a council of internal Forsaken families/groups/factions.

    Forsaken are in the rare position of having a finite number of people, and without a Lich King, without Valkyrs, there is no way to create more of them. This is a huge deal for the race and a big reason why Calia might be appealing for some of them. She brings with her the possibility of new Forsaken, but different Forsaken as well. Undeath was always about decay, but she brings something new with the Light. What will the rotten corpse think of their pristine light-touched brothers and sisters ? I'm sure nothing will ever go wrong with that...

    Overall, people focusing on Calia as a character fail to see, in my opinion, the larger story it could develop. Her attributes (he Menethil, raised by the Light, etc.) are great elements to explore further withing the context of the Forsaken themselves, their history, their culture... I for one can't wait to see what's next !

  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Calia doesn't even look udead, like a human/draenei hybrid, why is she even in horde...not bad ass in any way...

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    Alleria feels forced, she's a windrunner so lets throw some corruption her way...i guess 3rd sister will become mecha elf n go to war against curse of flesh...just u wait..
    However she's different from the other beings who were corrupted. She is not controlled by the Void, instead she enslaved the Void to her will.

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    However she's different from the other beings who were corrupted. She is not controlled by the Void, instead she enslaved the Void to her will.
    Which defangs the void...like making fel energy just a tool...just so writers can throw some edgy elf at us.. I'm glad we didn't have alleria vs n'zoth..

  11. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Which defangs the void...like making fel energy just a tool...just so writers can throw some edgy elf at us.. I'm glad we didn't have alleria vs n'zoth..
    Why should the Void be different from Fel or any other force? These cosmic forces are just weapons to be used and enslaved, they should not be feared just because of their mysterious nature.

    And Alleria was totally robbed of the screentime she deserved in 8.3. Let me remind you that she was the ONLY leader who was so focused on the threat posed by N'Zoth that she suggested making a truce with Sylvanas. Yet when the time comes to fight N'Zoth, Anduin never even considers the idea of asking Alleria for help, and instead relies solely on his friend Wrathion and that annoying crystal dwarf Magni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Why should the Void be different from Fel or any other force? These cosmic forces are just weapons to be used and enslaved, they should not be feared just because of their mysterious nature.

    And Alleria was totally robbed of the screentime she deserved in 8.3. Let me remind you that she was the ONLY leader who was so focused on the threat posed by N'Zoth that she suggested making a truce with Sylvanas. Yet when the time comes to fight N'Zoth, Anduin never even considers the idea of asking Alleria for help, and instead relies solely on his friend Wrathion and that annoying crystal dwarf Magni.
    Wrathion is a black dragon, bad ass. Alleria just...doesn't become slave/negatively influenced by void lords to make her seem bad ass...
    Wrathion who is so much more powerful has to tiptoe around void stuff, n alleria that was just a freaking archer can bathe in it with no consequences, to make her look edgy, so now void is some magic lego?..

    N her husband who fought evil for so long, is just cool with it.../facepalm
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  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Wrathion is a black dragon, bad ass. Alleria just...doesn't become slave/negatively influenced by void lords to make her seem bad ass...
    Wrathion who is so much more powerful has to tiptoe around void stuff, n alleria that was just a freaking archer can bathe in it with no consequences, to make her look edgy, so now void is some magic lego?..

    N her husband who fought evil for so long, is just cool with it.../facepalm
    Alleria trained for centuries with Locus-Walker to hone her mental fortitude and willpower. That's why the Void Lords can't control her.

    Why would Turalyon have a problem with Alleria? Contrary to the belief of some people around here, Turalyon is not a Light fanatic. He was willing to work with Illidan despite him being a demon hybrid who just killed Xe'ra, and he still loves Alleria despite her having been changed biologically by the Void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Alleria trained for centuries with Locus-Walker to hone her mental fortitude and willpower. That's why the Void Lords can't control her.

    Why would Turalyon have a problem with Alleria? Contrary to the belief of some people around here, Turalyon is not a Light fanatic. He was willing to work with Illidan despite him being a demon hybrid who just killed Xe'ra, and he still loves Alleria despite her having been changed biologically by the Void.
    Dude, ur basically saying an archer elf has more resistance to void than DEATHWING.

    "trained for centuries".... oh, geez... that shit is just something added to make them more edgy, n what is lotus walker, a void miyagi?..
    N they still suck, illidan blocked Turalyon's sword with his hand...n illidan who lost to paladin arthas who was young n how long has Turalyon been pala according to new lorelol? He n alleria absolutly suck, way over their heads to tamper with void.

    The TITANS are afraid of void, SARGERAS is (who can cleave planets!)...but here comes brittney spears elf waving her lil' fingers n we are just supposed to be cool with that? Lol?

    Alleria, mary sue of the void...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Dude, ur basically saying an archer elf has more resistance to void than DEATHWING.

    "trained for centuries".... oh, geez... that shit is just something added to make them more edgy, n what is lotus walker, a void miyagi?..
    N they still suck, illidan blocked Turalyon's sword with his hand...n illidan who lost to paladin arthas who was young n how long has Turalyon been pala according to new lorelol? He n alleria absolutly suck, way over their heads to tamper with void.

    The TITANS are afraid of void, SARGERAS is (who can cleave planets!)...but here comes brittney spears elf waving her lil' fingers n we are just supposed to be cool with that? Lol?

    Alleria, mary sue of the void...
    And here comes the typical sexist derogatory term "Mary Sue". Controlling the Void has NOTHING to do with physical might. Deathwing was mentally weak, so he succumbed to the whispers. Alleria has been training for many years to strengthen her mental fortitude, that's why the Void Lords have no control over her. We even saw her training with Locus-Walker in the game, a very rigorous training, from a very demanding teacher. Same thing for Sargeras. Just because he's big and scary doesn't mean he's almighty or omniscient. He was scared of the Void Lords because he was too naive and narrow-minded to understand that the Void is a weapon to be controlled and harnessed, not feared.

    And she's not "just a simple archer", she is the best archer Quel'Thalas ever had. Sylvanas herself praised Alleria's skills, calling her "the brightest and most formidable of their order".

  16. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by gurutikka View Post
    So I just watched this video clip and I see a lot of people complaining about Calia being in Orgrimmar and I can agree with the sentiment that she is not worthy to lead the Forsaken. No doubt she is a light abomination.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bgduIXYEVE

    Solution: Calia should be thrown from the roof of Grommash Hold as she doesn't belong on the Horde and Valeera should be forced to take the Blood Oath and become a Horde member.

    And finally we can rest easy knowing that Calia will no longer be alive to try to take the throne of the Forsaken and make her illegitimated claim in the Horde where she doesn't belong.
    So how did Sylvanas work out for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillMcfuu View Post
    Ohh wow, it's repeating what I said. I know so little that you are copying what I've said already.
    lol ok, you're clearly not worth having a conversation with. Goodbye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tincjin View Post
    "Hate" is strongly put. Many Horde/Forsaken players simply think they don't belong in the Horde. And I agree, she has not ties to the Horde, and her being Menethil isn't enough for her to lead the Forsaken. A Menethil was the whole reason why Forsaken are well... Forsaken, why would they want another Menethil leading them?
    because some people are able to not generalize.

  18. #218
    Oh geez...deathwing was dealing with magic, expriements for ages, he was ancient, big ego doesn't mean he was stupid.

    The titans created g'huun, who knows what they have been up to through the countless ages, across countless worlds? what information they have accumalated?.. ...

    N some lotus walker dude n some archer are going to know better...I think ur way into valleria to think about this objectively, no point in further discussion..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Oh geez...deathwing was dealing with magic, expriements for ages, he was ancient, big ego doesn't mean he was stupid.

    The titans created g'huun, who knows what they have been up to through the countless ages, across countless worlds? what information they have accumalated?.. ...

    N some lotus walker dude n some archer are going to know better...I think ur way into valleria to think about this objectively, no point in further discussion..
    *accidentally created but leave that part out. It's people who don't know the lore of the game and then spout off about how much they think the game should work that annoy me the most. Guess what you are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Depakote View Post
    lol ok, you're clearly not worth having a conversation with. Goodbye.

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    because some people are able to not generalize.
    Seeing as you've added nothing to the discussion and your only contribution is a reference that not only does nothing to counter my comments, but affirms them; the sentiment is more than mutual.

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