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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    you being a mad lad in dungeons means literaly nothing,its not a good metric to judge the class power,specialy when you say you spend almost HALF the time NOT dpsing,im curious...are the people your playing with even have a pulse?

    we will have plenty of stats once the classes are more complete and geared in arenas and mythic raids,but from everything we have seen so far enha is loking at being a solid C tier at best in both pve and pvp....but hey atleast its more fun than bfa
    would say solid A+ PvE maybe even S especially in M+, and B for PvP although just cause rogues (subject to change when nerf bat hit them eventually) and maybe ferals which seems to be outlying in PvP a loot currently (some reliable defensive cd would bump up some tiers for sure)
    Last edited by kosajk; 2020-12-02 at 08:41 AM.

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  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by kosajk View Post
    would say solid A+ PvE maybe even S especially in M+, and B for PvP although just cause rogues and maybe ferals which seems to be outlying in PvP a loot currently (some reliable defensive cd would bump up some tiers for sure)
    what the heck could enha posibly bring in m+ to make it S???

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    what the heck could enha posibly bring in m+ to make it S???
    one of the strongest aoe capabilities (if im not mistaken) + free strong healing when needed on top of spamable purge and 12 sec range interrupt, oh shit pocket elemental tank, what more other classes bring?
    rogue can skip you some trash, monk and druid can pacify any number of enemies for couple sec with ring of peace/ursol vortex beside that there is not a loot impactfull utility you could get out there
    Last edited by kosajk; 2020-12-02 at 09:00 AM.

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  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by kosajk View Post
    one of the strongest aoe capabilities (if im not mistaken) + free strong healing when needed on top of spamable purge and 12 sec range interrupt, oh shit pocket elemental tank, what more other classes bring?
    rogue can skip you some trash, monk and druid can pacify any number of enemies for couple sec with ring of peace/ursol vortex beside that there is not a loot impactfull utility you could get out there
    slightly better aoe dps isnt always going to make it so you are included,we saw this in bfa and legion very clearly,and enha seems to be more consistant,m+ needs more burst

    the healing is literaly useless,in high keys you either avoid stuff or you die,anything else needs to be either immuned or use big defensive,actual healing is by far the least important role in m+

    purge is going to be very situational,i havent been keeping up with sl dungeons so this may or may not be a big thing now,but....mage will always be prefered for this because they bring other stuff like iceblock,spell power

    the shaman interupt being ranged is irelevant,the cd is nice sure,but again,depend on the sl dungeons and how vital very often interupts are and if it even maters,other dps can rotate it just fine usualy

    the ele tank is nice indeed,but...it should never come to that

    rogue doesnt just skip trash but has plenty more utility
    paladin brings immunity for himself and physical immunity to party member,and a defensive cd for others that will always be better than healing in high keys
    dk is better defensive wise for himself and party,interupt and grip,battle res,and has better aoe dps consistant and burst
    dh aoe stun better than shaman,and grp defensive,and debuff(if it still exists?)
    druid can res,better cc,best aoe silence,mobility for grp(better than shaman one and not an option)

    idk,shaman looks like its bottom,im sure raiding wise its gonna be decent atleast

  5. #25
    hard to argue, i have my experience you have yours
    for me +15 is enough for m+ as higher is just for flexing and on that lvl healing does still matter
    about "slightly better aoe dps" and burst capability its like you say atm but if we take doom winds into consideration and fact that WF can proc from earth shatter and crash lightning, things may be interesting (obviously blizz can cut that if we go to high but will see)

    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    the ele tank is nice indeed,but...it should never come to that
    but it happens and i saved couple keys with it ;P



    about rest yea ok everyone bring something to the table we bring WF totem to although what value it really have no one currently knows

    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post

    idk,shaman looks like its bottom,im sure raiding wise its gonna be decent atleast
    http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/PR_Raid.html
    a bit to early to use wol sadly maybe after weekend

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  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by kosajk View Post
    hard to argue, i have my experience you have yours
    for me +15 is enough for m+ as higher is just for flexing and on that lvl healing does still matter
    about "slightly better aoe dps" and burst capability its like you say atm but if we take doom winds into consideration and fact that WF can proc from earth shatter and crash lightning, things may be interesting (obviously blizz can cut that if we go to high but will see)



    but it happens and i saved couple keys with it ;P



    about rest yea ok everyone bring something to the table we bring WF totem to although what value it really have no one currently knows



    http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/PR_Raid.html
    a bit to early to use wol sadly maybe after weekend
    Dont get me wrong,im glad and hope for enha to do well,it used to be my fave spec,but yeah,this early on we dont have a full picture of the classes yett,also WF totem is a meme,you wont get much value out of it unless everyone is melee

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    Dont get me wrong,im glad and hope for enha to do well,it used to be my fave spec,but yeah,this early on we dont have a full picture of the classes yett,also WF totem is a meme,you wont get much value out of it unless everyone is melee
    also don`t get me wrong i don`t prise WFt as its a bit annoying to keep it up all the time especially in dungeons but i did everything that game had to offer in last week and it looks really good PvE wise, that may change when blizz starts "balancing" things ofc,
    raid is in front of me this week so my opinion is for sure not set in stone by all means.
    Pvp suck hard cause of rogues globaling everyone...

    edit
    ps. if you take a look on simulation craft i have linked above its for patchwerk st boss so in reality it will bo not that grate as we need to be on target to keep procs going although our aoe is insane so from m+ perspective im rather sure it will be ok, if we don`t get kick in nuts from blizz at some point :P
    Last edited by kosajk; 2020-12-02 at 11:04 AM.

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