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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable View Post
    And Kul Tirans are just fat humans. They still got added.
    they are fat, bigger and have different culture than the normal ones, like i said, we need fundamental differences here, kyrians are same old paladin justice light shit but blue.
    The point is Kyrian are not just blue humans. They are angels. And Angels are missing from the playable races.
    if they make then appealing, and more than just human paladin x2, i would be down for that, but right now i see then pointless and a waste of a slot.
    The covered faces are, probably, an attempt to hide their lack of facial animations - until Blizzard adds them.
    But again, they are too much like ogres, and i rather have normal ogres than dead scourge wannabe ones.
    Draka is there to imply on their similarities to Orcs.
    and we want her far from the story as possible

    Actually, they aren't. We don't have playable angels and we don't have playable gladiators (even though i don't know if i can consider gladiators a race).
    the normal ones, not ascended, are not rly angels, just blue humans, gladiators every warrior race can be, and it step too much in the toes of the ogre empire who are basically first class gladiators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Let me rephrase... as PLAYER characters,
    Made zero difference, as player character it would make even more sense, cause players are always excepcional and can be as rare as the lore needs then to be, it could be in lore like 2-5 of then coming here, and it would not change much
    these SL beings are far too old for us to grasp. I don't think it makes sense, honestly.
    Like rly maters, player can do what they want in their own RP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Any debt can be repaid when it matters, in the afterlife.

    thats a shit ass way of repay, they need help in life not in death, and again, what if saving azeroth also means they save the shadowlands?

    if the voidlords get azeroth they can fuck up the shadowlands, as a way to stop that they come here to help the factions of azeroth, they cannot wait until the titan is corrupted.

    Easy explanation.


    Just imagine a Venthyr strolling through Orgrimmar and their orc commander attacks in a manner the venthyr knows will get him revendreth and he just says, well buddy don't worry we will work this out when I beat your sorry ass for a few centuries after you die *wink.
    wat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dundebuns View Post
    Both races are dead. How would they exist in the mortal realms?
    why not? the mawsorm went to the mortal realm to fish our leaders, the undeads are around since WC2

    people, come on

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLbetterthan BFA View Post
    bluh bluh furries bluh bluh VENTHYR FOR HORDE
    Oh man, spending the entire expansion -doing shit for, and supporting, and getting totally into the lore of- a faction... only to have it join the Horde because Reasons. Like "Tyrande was mean".
    THAT SURE WAS FUN THE LAST TIME THAT HAPPENED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    thats a shit ass way of repay, they need help in life not in death, and again, what if saving azeroth also means they save the shadowlands?
    Life is a cosmic speck compared to the afterlife, we are talking a few decades in most cases compared to possibly billions of years, so yeah helping them in death is the far better choice. If they interfere on the behalf of the shadowlands, saving Azeroth there is zero reason for them to join a faction they would help both and only one Army would set out, Maldraxxus whose sole purpose it is to be the shadowlands army and wage war in its name.

    if the voidlords get azeroth they can fuck up the shadowlands, as a way to stop that they come here to help the factions of azeroth, they cannot wait until the titan is corrupted.

    Again no reason to join the factions and make them playable races, a maldraxxus expedition could just show up in force as a reputation faction
    Easy explanation.
    And not thought through.


    wat
    A venthyr doesn't give a crap what an orc thinks of honor or how they wage war, but they know the consequences such an orc would suffer. So when they commit a grave sin the Venthyr will be aware of it, either telling the orc to stop this bullshit or suffer the consequences, who then might go on about his honor and warrior culture with mr fangs laughing in his face telling him that it is meaningless.

    I mean the accuser would have a field day putting mortals in their place and it would be hilarious, but still no reason to have them join any faction.
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    I don't want Ventyr if they're gonna do that fruity arm thing they all do. Fix their models and then you'll have my attention

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    why not? the mawsorm went to the mortal realm to fish our leaders, the undeads are around since WC2

    people, come on
    The Mawsworn are acting outside the rules, they are actively breaking them. Kyrian, as far as we know, are the only Shadowland race that can pass back to the moral realms but they only act with the souls of the dead and have a very specific job. The undead are either automata or are dead bodies with a soul stuffed back into it.
    RETH

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    interesting i want to learn more about it

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Mortal players playing as these beings that seem to be out of the cycle of both life and death seems... odd. I'm all about playing as elves and such. But the Brokers? Come on. Can anything stay sacred and mysterious? Why can't we play as elementals? Why can't we play as demons?
    They are not outside the cycle.
    They can die in the Shadowlands and some of them are former mortal souls.
    It's not like we're asking to play as Titans. Jeez...

    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    We don't always represent the factions, like in this case we are basically the primary helpers of the ebon blade.



    It does not change their obligation.

    Maldraxxi sole purpose is to safeguard the shadowlands, not meddle in mortal Squabbles
    Kyrian are glorified UPS deliveryman
    Venthyr are supposed to absolve sins and help redeem them not strolling through the realm of the lving
    Sylvan have a duty to tend to ardenweald and the cycle of reincarnation going on there first and foremost.
    If you notice the story, Sylvans is trying to break those obligations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Any debt can be repaid when it matters, in the afterlife. A Lifespan is just a blink of an eye to these beings, what the Alliance and Horde do and represent is pretty inconsequential to them, they owe a handful of souls at most, so wherever these souls end up they could be granted a nice position, if the arbiter doe not toss them into revendreth, which would mean the venthyr would just work extra hard for the hero to atone and get them into their fold.

    Just imagine a Venthyr strolling through Orgrimmar and their orc commander attacks in a manner the venthyr knows will get him revendreth and he just says, well buddy don't worry we will work this out when I beat your sorry ass for a few centuries after you die *wink.
    Usually, these debts are paid by joining the factions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles123 View Post
    That's ridiculous,

    People from the Shadowlands would never join the horde or the alliance because they are dead. It makes 0 sense lorewise.
    Like the Forsaken and Death Knights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dundebuns View Post
    Both races are dead. How would they exist in the mortal realms?
    Like Forsaken and Death Knights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    they are fat, bigger and have different culture than the normal ones, like i said, we need fundamental differences here, kyrians are same old paladin justice light shit but blue.


    if they make then appealing, and more than just human paladin x2, i would be down for that, but right now i see then pointless and a waste of a slot.


    But again, they are too much like ogres, and i rather have normal ogres than dead scourge wannabe ones.


    and we want her far from the story as possible



    the normal ones, not ascended, are not rly angels, just blue humans, gladiators every warrior race can be, and it step too much in the toes of the ogre empire who are basically first class gladiators.
    They are Greeks. Humans are more like franks.

    Maldraxxian Gladiators aren't Ogres just because the males use their skeleton. Ogres are ancient roman empire. These Gladiators are more like medieval Margraves and Barons.

    They would get angel-like racials, heritage armor and mount.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dundebuns View Post
    The Mawsworn are acting outside the rules, they are actively breaking them. Kyrian, as far as we know, are the only Shadowland race that can pass back to the moral realms but they only act with the souls of the dead and have a very specific job. The undead are either automata or are dead bodies with a soul stuffed back into it.
    Maldraxxian have been seen on other planets, like Nathreza.

    Brokers go from plane to plane, capturing entities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Life is a cosmic speck compared to the afterlife, we are talking a few decades in most cases compared to possibly billions of years, so yeah helping them in death is the far better choice.
    no its not, it make no sense.

    Again, Void is attacking the mortal plane, they want to corrupt azeroth, if they defeat horde and alliance they corrupt the titan and control everything, meaning, they also get control over the shadowlands, they have to help the factions now, so they can stand against the void forces, they helping then in deth will mena jack shit

    Again no reason to join the factions and make them playable races, a maldraxxus expedition could just show up in force as a reputation faction
    Again, the reason is easily made up, they always make up a reason to make something playable, is always like that, worgens at wtLk didn't make sense to be playable either, see how it ends

    And not thought through.
    Is easy and simple enough, and, its totally within the realms of possibility, you guys are limiting yourelf too much about this, like Blizzard is that dead on about it and never made shit up to fit things

    If they made Derek burned body saty pristine after 30 years under the sea, this is nothing


    A venthyr doesn't give a crap what an orc thinks of honor or how they wage war, but they know the consequences such an orc would suffer. So when they commit a grave sin the Venthyr will be aware of it, either telling the orc to stop this bullshit or suffer the consequences, who then might go on about his honor and warrior culture with mr fangs laughing in his face telling him that it is meaningless.
    and?
    I mean the accuser would have a field day putting mortals in their place and it would be hilarious, but still no reason to have them join any faction.
    she don't have to do shit, just send random venthyr explorers, new ones if you wish, so they can have a field trip helping the faction, to build then up little bit, nothing too fancy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dundebuns View Post
    The Mawsworn are acting outside the rules, they are actively breaking them. Kyrian, as far as we know, are the only Shadowland race that can pass back to the moral realms but they only act with the souls of the dead and have a very specific job. The undead are either automata or are dead bodies with a soul stuffed back into it.
    everyone can pass trough a portal my dude, if they wish so, there is nothing saying they are physically incapable of passing trough, we already have proof of shadowlands races and beings coming here, they just need to explore more of it.

    Breaking the rules? yeah we being there also break the rules, we are doing a lot of that for the purpose, so things can be changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable View Post
    They are Greeks. Humans are more like franks.
    right, but they still look like paladin humans with the same essence, the only thing i can see difference is they being blue, to me is not appealing, if they make then good i guess, but they don't get my voute.
    Maldraxxian Gladiators aren't Ogres just because the males use their skeleton. Ogres are ancient roman empire. These Gladiators are more like medieval Margraves and Barons.
    yeah, ogres are better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable View Post
    A unique running animation - implying their future playability, like Vulepra's unique sleep animation before they were added.
    They run like deer, it would look very odd on a player character. If you ***** **** your character into a sylvar you'll see what I'm talking about. Their current run animation would be better suited toward a running wild-esque mount spell, otherwise they would need to tone it down and edit it to make it look normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post

    wat
    So, this tells me the whole point of the Venthyr is lost on you.

    That poster literally explained why Venthyr would have no place in the mortal realms.

    A Venthyr (DEAD, character of the Shadowlands) Horde player is strolling down the streets, sees an Orc friend do something heinous.

    They are supposed to just let them and not stop them? It makes no sense. I get why you guys want them to be player characters, but they are beyond the levels of player characters in terms of their life-meaning. They are bound to a specific duty that is not of the mortal realm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chonar View Post
    Oh man, spending the entire expansion -doing shit for, and supporting, and getting totally into the lore of- a faction... only to have it join the Horde because Reasons. Like "Tyrande was mean".
    THAT SURE WAS FUN THE LAST TIME THAT HAPPENED.
    Thank you. This is on point.

    They are clearly beyond mortal factions of one damned planet.
    "For Teldrassil."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    everyone can pass trough a portal my dude, if they wish so, there is nothing saying they are physically incapable of passing trough, we already have proof of shadowlands races and beings coming here, they just need to explore more of it.

    Breaking the rules? yeah we being there also break the rules, we are doing a lot of that for the purpose, so things can be changed.
    We have no examples of a shadowlands race passing through the portal the player uses to get back to the mortal realms. It would also compeltely break the cycle of life and death. 'Oh you died and went to the Shadowlands? No worries, just pass through this portal and BHAM you're back in the world you uised to live in'.

    There's more to just breaking the rules. It's the entire cycle. The rules are broken to maintain the cycle, or in the case of the Mawsworn to completely muck it up. Not just to journey out and have a trip around Azeroth. What was the reason for Maldraxxus going to Nathreza? Was it to fix stuff the Jailer or another SL's denizen had done?
    RETH

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    So, this tells me the whole point of the Venthyr is lost on you.

    That poster literally explained why Venthyr would have no place in the mortal realms.

    A Venthyr (DEAD, character of the Shadowlands) Horde player is strolling down the streets, sees an Orc friend do something heinous.

    They are supposed to just let them and not stop them? It makes no sense. I get why you guys want them to be player characters, but they are beyond the levels of player characters in terms of their life-meaning. They are bound to a specific duty that is not of the mortal realm.

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    Thank you. This is on point.

    They are clearly beyond mortal factions of one damned planet.
    How are the Venthyr any more out of place than any other whimsical race on this crazy mf planet.

    We have Minotaurs, Zombies, Elves, Trolls, Dwarves, Garden Gnomes, Space Goats, Werewolves, and somehow stereotypical Vampires 'make no sense?'

    They'll make Azeroth their problem because she is the secret special secret of the First Ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selastan View Post
    It doesn't really fit, unless, like others have said, something big happens in the Shadowlands for these races to go into the mortal realm. Maybe they form a coalition to stop mortals from fucking with the afterlife, and players who pick these races are sent as ambassadors? Either way, every new race that isn't ethereal is a wasted opportunity.
    This man gets it.

    We don't need satyrs or vampiree, both are cringe.
    Check out the Drakonaar, my playable race concept! (WIP -- Looking for artists)


  14. #174
    Shadowlands races have no business being faction-locked.

    Previous allied races went to <x> faction because it made sense for the expansion at the time.

    Shadowlands races don't care what faction you are, therefore alliance and horde should both be able to be them. Both alliance and horde help each race, neither moreso than the other. Alliance who pick night fae even help Bwonswamdi, the same as Horde players do, to save Ardenweald.

    That's if they have allied races at all in Shadowlands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selastan View Post
    It doesn't really fit, unless, like others have said, something big happens in the Shadowlands for these races to go into the mortal realm. Maybe they form a coalition to stop mortals from fucking with the afterlife, and players who pick these races are sent as ambassadors? Either way, every new race that isn't ethereal is a wasted opportunity.
    The point of any development decision is money. Whether it's selling expansions or retaining players it's all just business.

    If the covenant races become playable with the pre-purchase of the 9th expansion, people are going to buy it and pay $25 USD for a race change on top of that. I think people forget that this game is a big business, the lore is never ever ever going to get in the way of business. The return on investment from new races, and the flood of race changes that immediately follow, must be insane.

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    So... you want to resurrect whole race so that you may be able to play them? lol

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    I'd be surprised to see any allied races added. It strikes me as an abandoned feature. Especially considering the reputation requirements being removed. I can see a story that would let any of the shadowlands races join though. Just say the line between the planes is forever blurred and damaged beyond repair.
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    Why the hell would you wait till after you did this to confirm the mortality rate of such action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    right, but they still look like paladin humans with the same essence, the only thing i can see difference is they being blue, to me is not appealing, if they make then good i guess, but they don't get my voute.


    yeah, ogres are better
    I guess you were not a fan of "I'm blue da-boo-dee da-boo-da"

    Why not both?

    Quote Originally Posted by gd8 View Post
    They run like deer, it would look very odd on a player character. If you ***** **** your character into a sylvar you'll see what I'm talking about. Their current run animation would be better suited toward a running wild-esque mount spell, otherwise they would need to tone it down and edit it to make it look normal.
    Fauns are goats, after all.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    So, this tells me the whole point of the Venthyr is lost on you.

    That poster literally explained why Venthyr would have no place in the mortal realms.

    A Venthyr (DEAD, character of the Shadowlands) Horde player is strolling down the streets, sees an Orc friend do something heinous.

    They are supposed to just let them and not stop them? It makes no sense. I get why you guys want them to be player characters, but they are beyond the levels of player characters in terms of their life-meaning. They are bound to a specific duty that is not of the mortal realm.
    Your job is to rehabilitate inmates. Do you stop someone on the street and tell them their behavior is unacceptable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dundebuns View Post
    We have no examples of a shadowlands race passing through the portal the player uses to get back to the mortal realms. It would also compeltely break the cycle of life and death. 'Oh you died and went to the Shadowlands? No worries, just pass through this portal and BHAM you're back in the world you uised to live in'.

    There's more to just breaking the rules. It's the entire cycle. The rules are broken to maintain the cycle, or in the case of the Mawsworn to completely muck it up. Not just to journey out and have a trip around Azeroth. What was the reason for Maldraxxus going to Nathreza? Was it to fix stuff the Jailer or another SL's denizen had done?
    did characters from another reality break our reality? They didn't leave the portal open behind them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryzeth View Post
    Shadowlands races have no business being faction-locked.

    Previous allied races went to <x> faction because it made sense for the expansion at the time.

    Shadowlands races don't care what faction you are, therefore alliance and horde should both be able to be them. Both alliance and horde help each race, neither moreso than the other. Alliance who pick night fae even help Bwonswamdi, the same as Horde players do, to save Ardenweald.

    That's if they have allied races at all in Shadowlands.
    Both factions helped the BfA allied races. It will, also, apply to the Shadowlands races. The faction they have the most in common with. Which is Kyrians and Sylvar with the Humans and Night elves of the Alliance, and Venthyr and Maldraxxian Gladiators with the Blood elves and Orcs of the Horde.

    Quote Originally Posted by Palapop View Post
    So... you want to resurrect whole race so that you may be able to play them? lol
    Who said anything about resurrection? Forsaken are still dead, for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    I'd be surprised to see any allied races added. It strikes me as an abandoned feature. Especially considering the reputation requirements being removed. I can see a story that would let any of the shadowlands races join though. Just say the line between the planes is forever blurred and damaged beyond repair.
    Not at all. The ease of making allied races + the monetary gain = Blizzard is not gonna pass on this.

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    I don't really see any way that Blizz opens up the Shadowlands races to be playable at this point. A large hint towards this IMO is the NPCs themselves. There's not a ton of facial differences with the Kyrian, the Venthyr, or really most of the Sylvar. Maybe a couple small differences, but generally speaking they don't have a lot of nuance to their character designs which a playable race would need.

    Plus, I tend to agree with the other posters who see the Allied Races as a somewhat abandoned feature. Many of the possibilities that might've gone towards other Allied Races seem to have been baked into the character customizations we got in Shadowlands. Wildhammer Dwarves, Sand Trolls, High Elves...all now have a very realistic way to play in WoW at this point and all at one point seemed like potential Allied Race fits. I have to wonder how many of the current Allied Races Blizz would wrap back into other races if they could (LF Draenei as customizations for Draenei, for instance).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngerFork View Post
    I don't really see any way that Blizz opens up the Shadowlands races to be playable at this point. A large hint towards this IMO is the NPCs themselves. There's not a ton of facial differences with the Kyrian, the Venthyr, or really most of the Sylvar. Maybe a couple small differences, but generally speaking they don't have a lot of nuance to their character designs which a playable race would need.

    Plus, I tend to agree with the other posters who see the Allied Races as a somewhat abandoned feature. Many of the possibilities that might've gone towards other Allied Races seem to have been baked into the character customizations we got in Shadowlands. Wildhammer Dwarves, Sand Trolls, High Elves...all now have a very realistic way to play in WoW at this point and all at one point seemed like potential Allied Race fits. I have to wonder how many of the current Allied Races Blizz would wrap back into other races if they could (LF Draenei as customizations for Draenei, for instance).
    There are not a ton of differences? one's a Vampire, the other a Faun, the third an Angel and the fourth a Gladiator. How are they similar?

    There are, already, signs towards their playability. male and female models. up-to-date textures and animations (including facial ones). a unique running animation (Sylvar). a number of customizations options.

    What? why would Blizzard give Lightforged Draenei customization options to Draenei if there's, already, a Lightforged Draenei race?

    The Wildhammer, unlike your example, are not Dark iron Dwarves, so there's no overlap in that department.

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