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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked View Post
    Well because the reality is that it is OP for low tier content. Now DH kinda lost even that, but outside of raid I think DH is empirically doing just fine, lots of people rerolled away though, which is not really a bad thing.
    Still playing my DH, too. It`s fine in M+ .. of course i don`t do 30-40k DPS on big pulls like hunters or mages ... but DH is really not that bad in M+. And i `m pretty sure Hunter`s wild spirits will get nerfed in the next patch.
    If anything needs a buff it`s pure ST damage atm. The legendary helps but i don`t think it´s enough. Outside of meta phases the ST is just ... meh.

  2. #102
    I just checked warcraftlogs, and you are still doing better in the top rankings than for example enha shaman :P. So it can't be that bad!

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Karlz0rz View Post
    I just checked warcraftlogs, and you are still doing better in the top rankings than for example enha shaman :P. So it can't be that bad!
    Enha can always go ele though, whereas DH'S need to completely level and gear a new character. But yeah Shamans have been bad since forever so they have it probably worse than any other class in the game.

  4. #104
    Go vengeance, there is no reason to play havoc atm. Im sorry bro. On the other hand, your tanking spec is arguably the best one atm.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by facefist View Post
    Enha can always go ele though, whereas DH'S need to completely level and gear a new character. But yeah Shamans have been bad since forever so they have it probably worse than any other class in the game.
    its seen some good days,in the past shaman was mandatory so regardless of your dps you had multiple spots...mostly as resto sadly haha

    in mop ele was doing pretty good,and enha was atleast pretty fun,in legion ele was nr 1 world dps if you won the lottery every pull

  6. #106
    No clue what these Sims are on about

    DH repeatedly top the DPS logs in m+ and raiding ATM.

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by TerrisT View Post
    No clue what these Sims are on about

    DH repeatedly top the DPS logs in m+ and raiding ATM.
    Maybe in sub 1k guilds sure, but in proper guilds? Nah, well mostly because proper guilds don't usually even run havoc dh.

    But you were trolling probably anyway.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by TerrisT View Post
    No clue what these Sims are on about

    DH repeatedly top the DPS logs in m+ and raiding ATM.
    yeah top dps here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...s/26#boss=2399

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Aureli View Post
    Go vengeance, there is no reason to play havoc atm. Im sorry bro. On the other hand, your tanking spec is arguably the best one atm.
    Sucks if you don't like tanking. :b

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by ztn View Post
    Many people consider being within the top 5 as 'top dps', yes.

    So yes, DH is top DPS in Mythic right now: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...=100&boss=2402

    See, I can cherry pick boss fights too.

    By the way, Sun King is much closer to a Mythic+ than Sludgefist, so I'm going to guess that Havoc isn't bottom of the barrel for Mythic+ either.

  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by SidFwuff View Post
    Many people consider being within the top 5 as 'top dps', yes.

    So yes, DH is top DPS in Mythic right now: LINK

    See, I can cherry pick boss fights too.

    By the way, Sun King is much closer to a Mythic+ than Sludgefist, so I'm going to guess that Havoc isn't bottom of the barrel for Mythic+ either.
    That boss was picked due to it being the DPS check.

    Anyhow - zone/statistics/26#sample=7 Is probably what we need to look at to be fair. Couldn't post full link as the account is new, so u'll have to put rest infront by urself.

    Demon hunters is not going good, not at all. And the fact that we cannot switch to another dps specc to fix it, is a bummer.

    There is noone under us, that doesn't have another dps specc to go to, that is much better than us, wich means DH is the worst dps class currently.

    hf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KazoonDH View Post
    That boss was picked due to it being the DPS check.

    Anyhow - zone/statistics/26#sample=7 Is probably what we need to look at to be fair. Couldn't post full link as the account is new, so u'll have to put rest infront by urself.

    Demon hunters is not going good, not at all. And the fact that we cannot switch to another dps specc to fix it, is a bummer.

    There is noone under us, that doesn't have another dps specc to go to, that is much better than us, wich means DH is the worst dps class currently.

    hf.
    Its not the worst dps class or spec its actually doing great compared to most other specs so either learn to play properly or reroll, there is also many fights classes can cheese dps to pad meters and that dmg is pointless other than logs, DH is in the top half of all dps classes.
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  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by ztn View Post
    yeh im sorry but ur still better than 3 spec on the dps check fight once your below bm hunters come back

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    its actually doing great compared to most other specs
    WTF no it's not... It's literally the worst DPS class in the game. Any given spec performing worse than havoc has another spec performing better, period.
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  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    WTF no it's not... It's literally the worst DPS class in the game. Any given spec performing worse than havoc has another spec performing better, period.
    no its not if dps is the only metric we are going by its even shown by the sludgefist log to be bm hunters

    even on sun kings ignoring assa since thet got a buff that means the bottom 4 are feral sub surv and bm

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    Its not the worst dps class or spec its actually doing great compared to most other specs so either learn to play properly or reroll, there is also many fights classes can cheese dps to pad meters and that dmg is pointless other than logs, DH is in the top half of all dps classes.
    I don't play DH, I don't have a horse in this race, but I know straight up misinformation when I see it. Boss by boss, let's go.

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2398 Shriekwing, 15th of 24, below 50th percentile.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2418 Huntsman, 14th of 24, below 50th percentile.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2383 Hungering, 20th of 24, below 50th percentile.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2402 Sunking, 14th of 24
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2405 Artificer, 15th.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2406 Darkvein, 19th.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2412 Council, 13th.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2399 Sludge, 17th of 20.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2417 Generals, 11th of 14.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2407 Denathrius, 10th of 14.

    Literally there is not a single fight where "DH is in the top half of all DPS classes". If you're in a group that this is the case, you really should be investigating what those people losing to the DH are doing.

  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Daltin View Post
    I don't play DH, I don't have a horse in this race, but I know straight up misinformation when I see it. Boss by boss, let's go.

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2398 Shriekwing, 15th of 24, below 50th percentile.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2418 Huntsman, 14th of 24, below 50th percentile.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2383 Hungering, 20th of 24, below 50th percentile.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2402 Sunking, 14th of 24
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2405 Artificer, 15th.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2406 Darkvein, 19th.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2412 Council, 13th.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2399 Sludge, 17th of 20.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2417 Generals, 11th of 14.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2407 Denathrius, 10th of 14.

    Literally there is not a single fight where "DH is in the top half of all DPS classes". If you're in a group that this is the case, you really should be investigating what those people losing to the DH are doing.
    im seeing a similar pattern in those logs.

    ignoring the last 2 with the exception of 2 bosses there are 2 hunter specs at the bottom, while in all of those dh are mid pack.... this is telling me a lot about what needs buffs more and what needs nerfs (if nerfs will be handed out)

    bare in mind that not every spec is represented on generals and because of the way blizz designed sire pet specs will NEVER see that boss unlike havoc dh.

    it seems as tho there is nothing "wrong" with havoc dh in this raid mid tier is fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    that means the bottom 4 are feral sub surv and bm
    So you agreed DH are the worse DPS class in the game, glad we came to an agreement...
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  19. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    So you agreed DH are the worse DPS class in the game, glad we came to an agreement...
    no im not havoc is mid tier in all those mythic logs bar 1 so no they aren't the worst. looking at those logs warrior is both specs are consistantly bottom fury recently got a buff but not enough to over take dh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    So you agreed DH are the worse DPS class in the game, glad we came to an agreement...
    i had another look at those logs and for those that are complaining about a lack of st dps i have to ask you the following.

    if havoc has such bad st dps why are they out dpsing mm hunters on artificer and council ( artificer is pure st and council is like nearly pure st)

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    no im not havoc is mid tier in all those mythic logs bar 1 so no they aren't the worst. looking at those logs warrior is both specs are consistantly bottom fury recently got a buff but not enough to over take dh

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    i had another look at those logs and for those that are complaining about a lack of st dps i have to ask you the following.

    if havoc has such bad st dps why are they out dpsing mm hunters on artificer and council ( artificer is pure st and council is like nearly pure st)
    Artificer=lots of movement
    Cuncil= DHs do a lot of cleave dmg (eye beam,blade dance/death sweep) which means jack shit since bosses reset their hp once one dies.

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