officially confirmerd do 50% less damage then even worst damage dealers...

[facefist]

I just checked warcraftlogs, and you are still doing better in the top rankings than for example enha shaman :P. So it can't be that bad!

Enha can always go ele though, whereas DH'S need to completely level and gear a new character. But yeah Shamans have been bad since forever so they have it probably worse than any other class in the game.

[Aureli]

Go vengeance, there is no reason to play havoc atm. Im sorry bro. On the other hand, your tanking spec is arguably the best one atm.

[deenman]

Enha can always go ele though, whereas DH'S need to completely level and gear a new character. But yeah Shamans have been bad since forever so they have it probably worse than any other class in the game.

its seen some good days,in the past shaman was mandatory so regardless of your dps you had multiple spots...mostly as resto sadly haha

in mop ele was doing pretty good,and enha was atleast pretty fun,in legion ele was nr 1 world dps if you won the lottery every pull

[facefist]

No clue what these Sims are on about

DH repeatedly top the DPS logs in m+ and raiding ATM.

Maybe in sub 1k guilds sure, but in proper guilds? Nah, well mostly because proper guilds don't usually even run havoc dh.

But you were trolling probably anyway.

[ztn]

No clue what these Sims are on about

DH repeatedly top the DPS logs in m+ and raiding ATM.

yeah top dps here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...s/26#boss=2399

[Yarathir]

Go vengeance, there is no reason to play havoc atm. Im sorry bro. On the other hand, your tanking spec is arguably the best one atm.

Sucks if you don't like tanking. :b

[SidFwuff]

yeah top dps here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...s/26#boss=2399

Many people consider being within the top 5 as 'top dps', yes.

So yes, DH is top DPS in Mythic right now: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...=100&boss=2402

See, I can cherry pick boss fights too.

By the way, Sun King is much closer to a Mythic+ than Sludgefist, so I'm going to guess that Havoc isn't bottom of the barrel for Mythic+ either.

[KazoonDH]

Many people consider being within the top 5 as 'top dps', yes.

So yes, DH is top DPS in Mythic right now: LINK

See, I can cherry pick boss fights too.

By the way, Sun King is much closer to a Mythic+ than Sludgefist, so I'm going to guess that Havoc isn't bottom of the barrel for Mythic+ either.

That boss was picked due to it being the DPS check.

Anyhow - zone/statistics/26#sample=7 Is probably what we need to look at to be fair. Couldn't post full link as the account is new, so u'll have to put rest infront by urself.

Demon hunters is not going good, not at all. And the fact that we cannot switch to another dps specc to fix it, is a bummer.

There is noone under us, that doesn't have another dps specc to go to, that is much better than us, wich means DH is the worst dps class currently.

hf.

[kenn9530]

That boss was picked due to it being the DPS check.

Anyhow - zone/statistics/26#sample=7 Is probably what we need to look at to be fair. Couldn't post full link as the account is new, so u'll have to put rest infront by urself.

Demon hunters is not going good, not at all. And the fact that we cannot switch to another dps specc to fix it, is a bummer.

There is noone under us, that doesn't have another dps specc to go to, that is much better than us, wich means DH is the worst dps class currently.

hf.

Its not the worst dps class or spec its actually doing great compared to most other specs so either learn to play properly or reroll, there is also many fights classes can cheese dps to pad meters and that dmg is pointless other than logs, DH is in the top half of all dps classes.

[thunderdragon2]

yeah top dps here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...s/26#boss=2399

yeh im sorry but ur still better than 3 spec on the dps check fight once your below bm hunters come back

[Ealyssa]

its actually doing great compared to most other specs

WTF no it's not... It's literally the worst DPS class in the game. Any given spec performing worse than havoc has another spec performing better, period.

[thunderdragon2]

WTF no it's not... It's literally the worst DPS class in the game. Any given spec performing worse than havoc has another spec performing better, period.

no its not if dps is the only metric we are going by its even shown by the sludgefist log to be bm hunters

even on sun kings ignoring assa since thet got a buff that means the bottom 4 are feral sub surv and bm

[Daltin]

Its not the worst dps class or spec its actually doing great compared to most other specs so either learn to play properly or reroll, there is also many fights classes can cheese dps to pad meters and that dmg is pointless other than logs, DH is in the top half of all dps classes.

I don't play DH, I don't have a horse in this race, but I know straight up misinformation when I see it. Boss by boss, let's go.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2398 Shriekwing, 15th of 24, below 50th percentile.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2418 Huntsman, 14th of 24, below 50th percentile.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2383 Hungering, 20th of 24, below 50th percentile.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2402 Sunking, 14th of 24
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2405 Artificer, 15th.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2406 Darkvein, 19th.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2412 Council, 13th.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2399 Sludge, 17th of 20.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2417 Generals, 11th of 14.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2407 Denathrius, 10th of 14.

Literally there is not a single fight where "DH is in the top half of all DPS classes". If you're in a group that this is the case, you really should be investigating what those people losing to the DH are doing.

[thunderdragon2]

I don't play DH, I don't have a horse in this race, but I know straight up misinformation when I see it. Boss by boss, let's go.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2398 Shriekwing, 15th of 24, below 50th percentile.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2418 Huntsman, 14th of 24, below 50th percentile.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2383 Hungering, 20th of 24, below 50th percentile.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2402 Sunking, 14th of 24
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2405 Artificer, 15th.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2406 Darkvein, 19th.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2412 Council, 13th.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2399 Sludge, 17th of 20.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2417 Generals, 11th of 14.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2407 Denathrius, 10th of 14.

Literally there is not a single fight where "DH is in the top half of all DPS classes". If you're in a group that this is the case, you really should be investigating what those people losing to the DH are doing.

im seeing a similar pattern in those logs.

ignoring the last 2 with the exception of 2 bosses there are 2 hunter specs at the bottom, while in all of those dh are mid pack.... this is telling me a lot about what needs buffs more and what needs nerfs (if nerfs will be handed out)

bare in mind that not every spec is represented on generals and because of the way blizz designed sire pet specs will NEVER see that boss unlike havoc dh.

it seems as tho there is nothing "wrong" with havoc dh in this raid mid tier is fine

[Ealyssa]

that means the bottom 4 are feral sub surv and bm

So you agreed DH are the worse DPS class in the game, glad we came to an agreement...

[thunderdragon2]

So you agreed DH are the worse DPS class in the game, glad we came to an agreement...

no im not havoc is mid tier in all those mythic logs bar 1 so no they aren't the worst. looking at those logs warrior is both specs are consistantly bottom fury recently got a buff but not enough to over take dh

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So you agreed DH are the worse DPS class in the game, glad we came to an agreement...

i had another look at those logs and for those that are complaining about a lack of st dps i have to ask you the following.

if havoc has such bad st dps why are they out dpsing mm hunters on artificer and council ( artificer is pure st and council is like nearly pure st)

[Awake84]

no im not havoc is mid tier in all those mythic logs bar 1 so no they aren't the worst. looking at those logs warrior is both specs are consistantly bottom fury recently got a buff but not enough to over take dh

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i had another look at those logs and for those that are complaining about a lack of st dps i have to ask you the following.

if havoc has such bad st dps why are they out dpsing mm hunters on artificer and council ( artificer is pure st and council is like nearly pure st)

Artificer=lots of movement
Cuncil= DHs do a lot of cleave dmg (eye beam,blade dance/death sweep) which means jack shit since bosses reset their hp once one dies.

[thunderdragon2]

Artificer=lots of movement
Cuncil= DHs do a lot of cleave dmg (eye beam,blade dance/death sweep) which means jack shit since bosses reset their hp once one dies.

which also doesn't count on logs so with that established, why are they still beating mmm, also based on the whole of mythic warrior is the worst CALSS currently

[kenn9530]

I don't play DH, I don't have a horse in this race, but I know straight up misinformation when I see it. Boss by boss, let's go.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2398 Shriekwing, 15th of 24, below 50th percentile.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2418 Huntsman, 14th of 24, below 50th percentile.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2383 Hungering, 20th of 24, below 50th percentile.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2402 Sunking, 14th of 24
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2405 Artificer, 15th.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2406 Darkvein, 19th.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2412 Council, 13th.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2399 Sludge, 17th of 20.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2417 Generals, 11th of 14.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26/#boss=2407 Denathrius, 10th of 14.

Literally there is not a single fight where "DH is in the top half of all DPS classes". If you're in a group that this is the case, you really should be investigating what those people losing to the DH are doing.

The difference in dps is about 1k ish so its not that much and that can be attributed to heavy movement and not being able to be on the boss since DH is used for many mechanics because of thier movement, its mainly ranged classes at the top since they are able to maintain more uptime of boss fights.

DH should never compare to anything other than themselves of melee anyway, if your comparing dps to classes that can multidot and hit many targets consistantly then a you would never be happy with your dps.

So yes DH is around middle of the pact overall as long as other dps are not just padding the meters.

WTF no it's not... It's literally the worst DPS class in the game. Any given spec performing worse than havoc has another spec performing better, period.

You completely ignore all the data that proves that your wrong on DH being the worst dps class in the game, doesnt matter if other classes have a spec that can perform better and the difference in dps is not that large anyway.

[Halyon]

Weren't you guys FOTM throughout the entire legion and BFA?

Why, if true, should that mean they should be garbage now?