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  1. #101
    Bastion is good. Maldraxxus I wasn't a fan of. Maybe it'll grow on me... I'm not even halfway through Ardenweald and its so different. You can feel that tons of love went into crafting every inch of this place. Big fan.

    Overall having a great time.

  2. #102
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    Not sure how you can even come to a conclusion after two days, lol, especially for an MMO.

    Upfront the leveling is about the same as it always is and it's going to differ between people. Personally it's one of the better set of leveling zones (Legion and BFA zones, especially BFA zones weren't my favorite) we've gotten since WoD. Everything is pretty distinct and different, and the journey to 60 really doesn't take all that long. They force you to do the campaign once, but that's really not much different than how 95% of the community approaches a new expansion anyways.

    After you finish the campaign on one character your second character can choose to do the campaign, or have a more open ended approach to leveling. Instead you get a giant bar to fill which gives you a third of a level, and you fill the bar by doing bonus objectives, world quests, or any of the quests that aren't part of the main story campaign in the zone (and there's a lot more than you would think). It's a nice change of pace, and if you want, you could just dungeon grind or whatever.

    Coming to a conclusion is a bit premature already. None of the real end game systems are available yet, so it's going to come down to whether or not you like leveling, the covenant that you pick and a soulbind tree that's 1/10th complete at this point of time.

    The only real negative through the whole process so far was the Maw, but I know that it gets less tedious eventually when more options open up that allow you to travel around the zone far more efficiently. Anybody who plays a class with limited mobility options probably has a lesser opinion of this area compared to others.

  3. #103
    This has been my 3rd D1 launch for me, so I can only compare SL to Legion and BfA launch...
    Legion will always have a special place in my heart because it's been my first launch, BfA was nice but a step down from Legion.
    But I must say i'm finding SL really good. Almost lv 57 and i'm half done with Maldraxxus and I'm loving every bit of the experience till now.
    Mind you, I'm a kind of player who read all the quest text, like to explore every nook of a zone and do all the quests i can find.

    Oribos as main hub is really nice too, having everything at hand's reach is great after 2 years of Zuldazar

  4. #104
    My first impression is not good.

    If you compare it to any decent expansion (=anything except BFA) you SHOULD expect to receive something awesome during leveling...be it new abilities, new Talents, a powerful Item....anything. Shadowlands does not have that. It features "preview abilities". Not a fan. At all.

    I have never felt so desinterested in the story of an expansion before. I cannot exactly nail why...maybe BFA just broke my connection to the franchise beyond repair...but i just don't care about ANYTHING happening in the zones. It could very well be that the core premise of this expansion is that death is 100% meaningless, which means you should simply not care about what happens to anybody or anything anymore. This could be it. Or it could be that the story is extremely convoluted and does not allow itself the time to actually tell you anything in depth with a little build up...it's just scene after scene after scene of nonsense.

    I think the Legion Demonhunter introductory questline/zone completely blows the SLs introduction out of the water...and that was the starting experience for a class...optional content that not everybody was meant to have to play...the SLs intro is mandatory...and it sucks.

    Also, i have never before seen so many "slightly adapted" old models in new expansion zones before. Yes, most creatures introduced by new expansions reuse old skeletons and only slightly change the models...but SLs simply reuses 50% of it's mobs unchanged and the rest are MOSTLY (=not all of them) slightly altered old models. Coupled with the lack of new abilities/class this just leaves a lazy impression on me.

    It's not all bad. But to me, it definetly seems a LOT below Legion in terms of content/effort/systems....and since BFA was WORSE than WoD, SLs would have needed to be a step up from Legion...which it isn't. Not for me, anyway.
    Last edited by Nathasil; 2020-11-25 at 01:22 PM.

  5. #105
    I just can't find it in me to be interested in the setting, and the beautiful zones aside, I don't particularly like any of the aesthetic themes for armor either. If I was offered 200,000g to wear one of the Covenant armors for the rest of the expansion I'd decline without hesitation, there's not a single one I think looks good

    The Covenant Campaigns are pretty fun but we'll only get to do one chapter per week so other than that, you've only really got Torghast so far -- which I am not personally a fan of. Diablo III wasn't my cup of tea, and Torghast really reminds me of it with its randomly generated levels and the whole grinding your way up a solo dungeon thing.

    The story itself feels a bit convoluted and opens up so many more questions, like for instance:

    1. Are there only four types of people in the world, each belonging to a realm in Shadowlands? No, Blizzard implied there are many more, we just don't see them in the expansion. But then, why is Oribos ruled by the Arbiter who judges souls, in a city only connected to these four portals? Are there other Oribos-like cities out there with their own Arbiter and their own death realms?

    2. Why do dead Tauren end up looking like winged humans if they die and are sent to Bastion? Why does everyone have to conform to being a new species after death

    3. Why does a dead deformed Naga like Lady Vashj maintain not just her mortal form, but the mutated Naga one, even though most dead in the Shadowlands assume the form of the realm they're in? Why does she not take a realm-relevant shape, or heck, why wouldn't her soul appear as a Night Elf rather than a Naga?


    So many aspects of the story just makes it feel needlessly convoluted and just leads to an endless series of questions. Even if you could answer them all and plug the "plot holes" it still just feels like a mess. Bit like Warlords of Draenor, where we fought Orcs from a different planet. With time travel. But also it's an alternate universe as well. Even once you make sense of it, it's just so needlessly convoluted.


    Right now, I am not particularly invested in the story, the realms, Torghast or the aesthetics of the gear. I'm still going to give the expansion a shot and try to get by on liking the visuals of the zones

  6. #106
    I feel like there's already a lot of currencies like Stygia, Anima, and Soul Ash, but I guess maybe that's all? And they are all for very specific purposes, but it just seems like there's a "currency bloat" that happens as the expansion progresses.
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  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Very lame attempt at argument via pedantry.

    A matter of hours in is really too early to say how good Shadowlands is. It takes a while for the consequences of all the game design decisions to become clear.
    My dude I'm not being pedantic at all. The context that we exit within as I type these very words is one in which Shadowlands hasn't been out for long. It stands to reason that if somebody is asking if it's good they're asking what people's initial impressions are, otherwise they'd ask if it's going to be good down the line. The pedantic take here is acting as though it's somehow dumb for somebody to ask if something is good based on what they've seen so far. I have to assume that unless the OP is a time traveller, they were referring to the bits of the game that are currently available to play.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eggroll View Post
    I'm talking about you wasting your time specifically going to MMO-C to LOOK for comments/threads that confirm your opinion that everyone at MMO-C is just trash.
    You're in the same boat, like it or not.

    And just because something isn't an issue for you, doesn't mean it isn't a valid critique. Maybe you just have low standards - and ignorance is bliss, we all know that.
    I don't think that everyone is trash though. I literally said that some people are well adjusted. That doesn't change the fact that unless we're going to deny reality, there are a lot of dumpster fire tier opinions on these boards.

    Also no, something not being an issue for me doesn't mean that somebody can't have a valid critique. The issue tends to be that 'I don't like this, fire Ion, I'm depressed and explicitly look for reasons to hate the game I pretend not to play any more' isn't a quality critique. But yeah sure. If you stop to look at a car crash, apparently that means you're in a car crash when you do that? While we're talking same boats and all...

  8. #108
    although nothing will beat drustvar quest line in the foreseeable future ( and it is coming from a horde main, remind you) i really REALLY liked shadowlands ( only saw bastion and maldraxxus tho) so far.

    it's called '' money well spent '' in my book.
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  9. #109
    Leveling is boring. Zones are alright once you get past Bastion but are very sparse compared to previous expansions. Story is as forgettable as its been since WOTLK. Dungeons seem interesting. Player agency is as dead as ever with daily chores, current class design, and the most useless itemization ever in any game. Even with my deep antipathy for the current "press x,y; wait for z to light up" homogenized classes, I do love the raids, so that's what I'm in for.
    Last edited by Grax; 2020-11-25 at 01:47 PM.

  10. #110
    It's a joke so far.

    1. Maw is an absolute cancer.
    2. Tower makes you puke after couple of runs.
    3. Heavily focusing on temporary powers and systems just to be forgotten in a future.
    4. World quests sucks.
    5. Masochistic grinds incoming.

  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    So far so good. Dinged 52 tonight. Maw was great, not too short, not too long, proper world building, good pace. Same for Bastion so far.

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    That it does. They have no idea what difference a new class makes.
    No point adding new classes unless they have a very strong case, they cant keep adding new classes every expansion there's not enough solid themes. I do agree a new class is cool but imo they shouldn't over do it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Really dumb for them not to bring in a Necromancer or Dark Ranger class into this expansion. Those two classes completely fit the theme, especially with Sylvanas and the Lich King playing prominent roles. Zero reason for them not to be introduced here.
    Cant agree with that. Necromancer, maybe? But there's a reason they haven't introduced a new class Teriz, and its because they cant make a strong enough case that the theme of a given class will be unique enough. You forget how much of a money maker a new class is, believe me, they will have discussed what class they could do next at GREAT length. If they haven't done one, its not right.

  12. #112
    Way too early to say but so far the questing isn't great. See how it goes, I'm going to give it an honest shot.

  13. #113
    Depends why you quit. It looks and sounds phenomenal, and mostly works. The overarching story is decent, though there's a severe case of name overload as they introduce you to the complex social orders of 5 different societies, then usher you on to the next before you have a chance to get used to any of the names. On at least one occasion I've had a major reveal that someone did something bad and just been like "Who?"
    Class design is mostly of the BfA model so far, relatively simple with some complexity to come as max level progression goes on, at least from my perspective as a warlock. Little seems to have changed if you felt classes were too simple.
    I certainly think I'll get at least the baseline price's worth out of it, even if the max level stuff ends up not being enjoyable enough to stick around.
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  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Rathwell View Post
    I just can't find it in me to be interested in the setting, and the beautiful zones aside, I don't particularly like any of the aesthetic themes for armor either. If I was offered 200,000g to wear one of the Covenant armors for the rest of the expansion I'd decline without hesitation, there's not a single one I think looks good

    The Covenant Campaigns are pretty fun but we'll only get to do one chapter per week so other than that, you've only really got Torghast so far -- which I am not personally a fan of. Diablo III wasn't my cup of tea, and Torghast really reminds me of it with its randomly generated levels and the whole grinding your way up a solo dungeon thing.

    The story itself feels a bit convoluted and opens up so many more questions, like for instance:

    1. Are there only four types of people in the world, each belonging to a realm in Shadowlands? No, Blizzard implied there are many more, we just don't see them in the expansion. But then, why is Oribos ruled by the Arbiter who judges souls, in a city only connected to these four portals? Are there other Oribos-like cities out there with their own Arbiter and their own death realms?

    2. Why do dead Tauren end up looking like winged humans if they die and are sent to Bastion? Why does everyone have to conform to being a new species after death

    3. Why does a dead deformed Naga like Lady Vashj maintain not just her mortal form, but the mutated Naga one, even though most dead in the Shadowlands assume the form of the realm they're in? Why does she not take a realm-relevant shape, or heck, why wouldn't her soul appear as a Night Elf rather than a Naga?


    So many aspects of the story just makes it feel needlessly convoluted and just leads to an endless series of questions. Even if you could answer them all and plug the "plot holes" it still just feels like a mess. Bit like Warlords of Draenor, where we fought Orcs from a different planet. With time travel. But also it's an alternate universe as well. Even once you make sense of it, it's just so needlessly convoluted.


    Right now, I am not particularly invested in the story, the realms, Torghast or the aesthetics of the gear. I'm still going to give the expansion a shot and try to get by on liking the visuals of the zones
    Personally. I don't enjoy the setting/story either but two of your points are actually explained in-game. Point 2 is literally what the entire Kyrian story is about, point 3 is explained by Vashj herself, she chose her appearance willingly.

  15. #115
    My overall impression is that I am playing WoW in a different setting not associated with Warcraft and it's...meh.

    Gameplay: Covenants are neat, not as bad as I thought they'd be given all the whining on forums about them. Questing is standard and repetitive as it has always been, streamlined but a carbon copy of what's been done time and time again. Zones are pretty, I guess. I have enjoyed Maldraxxus the most so far, but have not made it to Revendreth yet. Most classes play the same as in BfA so nothing to add here.

    Story/Lore: I dislike just about all of it. The Jailer and his motives are still vague and generic. Team Azeroth has dug its boring claws into the Ebon Blade and Bolvar as well. There are some cool concepts, but it all lacks punch. I haven't felt any emotional attachment or investment to any character so far, unless you count annoyance. I will finish it out and see how things go to give it a fair shot. But so far I am unimpressed.

  16. #116
    Leveling zones seem fine, but they always are. Even WoD had good leveling...and so far Bastion reminds me a lot of WoD.

    Seems like way less rares/treasures than usual, and a lot require groups to activate. Interesting.

    In general it seems empty, too. I've got war mode on, and I've never seen an alliance player. I've seen maybe 8 horde players at once, max. Which is clearly intentional, these zones don't seem like they could support many people playing at once. Seems easier to get around on foot/mount than some of BFA at least.

    Also incredibly linear so far. Reminds me of Cata, where you follow the quests in order with little deviation. Maybe they've already addressed this, but that's going to make leveling alts suck if they all have to follow the exact same path. At least leveling seems to be really fast.

    All in all, I'm not really feeling the sense of "oh boy, new content" that I usually do with an xpac. Even BFA at least had an impressive city and music at the start. This one seems very paint-by-numbers so far.

    BUT, I'll say one positive thing. I leveled up an got a new ability for the first time in 3+ years. Felt good, even if it was just some lame passive effect.
    Last edited by phattsao; 2020-11-25 at 02:33 PM.

  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Echorausch View Post
    Slow? It's the fastest ever. And you only have to do the campaign one time; with alts you can skip it an do whatever you want.
    Gettin, 1-2 quests just to go back in forth for another 1-2 quests is what I consider slow. Every once in a great while you might come across a third quest lying there or a regular one thats in the same area, but its rare.

  18. #118
    It's goood , the only thing I don't like is lack of quick transportation between zones , flight paths going through oribos every time is a bit annoying

  19. #119
    The emptiness is what made me sad watching it on stream. I don't know if it was layers due to launch, and I doubt it was a lack of people being on since it was launch...But the world looked empty, it looked like my friend was playing mostly a single player experience not an mmo.

  20. #120
    I like it. I will like it more in two weeks with awesome raid.
    Lying about being a CE raider and claim the 10 last Cutting Edge's while buying all of them must be the saddest thing on these forums.

    Apparently exposing liars is NOT okay.

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