Blizzard needs to retire these systems

[Poppincaps]

Is it how many levels into renown or..?

I think there's a weekly quest that gives you one level of renown and then you get a renown level from completing each campaign chapter. Here's a guide on how it's broken down per week: https://www.wowhead.com/guides/renow...ession-rewards. Also keep in mind that once you unlock your soulbinds, the rest of the renown levels are pretty optional.

[trapmaster]

So Shadowlands endgame is pretty much the same as BFA endgame system where you have an infinite grind of the azerorite system but this time is renown and anima. Plus there is a legendary grind added on top that, that's going to be required for raiding. So the grind is back from BFA but with an extra layer of more grinding. Blizzard needs to retire these systems and go back to just grinding for the best gear, like they had in Cata and Mist, not this crap that was added since Legion, systems on top of systems. If they don't want to continue losing players.

blizzard does not care, just want to see you whine like a bitch and not telling you to go find other game to play but play their game so they want to keep you subbed is what matters.

[Seranthor]

If they don't want to continue losing players.

On what information are you basing this claim?

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It was because of Wow Classic, if there was growth, if you think it was because of BFA, I have a bridge to sell you.

You DO realize its the same sub, right?

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you believe those reports lol?
my boss says "it's already finished, we are polishing" to investors every week and i know we are at ~50% at best

Quarterly reports are legal documents... if they lie and it can be proven then people can go to jail.

If you have evidence that the reports are falsified then the SEC would love to talk to you.

[Accendor]

So Shadowlands endgame is pretty much the same as BFA endgame system where you have an infinite grind of the azerorite system but this time is renown and anima. Plus there is a legendary grind added on top that, that's going to be required for raiding. So the grind is back from BFA but with an extra layer of more grinding. Blizzard needs to retire these systems and go back to just grinding for the best gear, like they had in Cata and Mist, not this crap that was added since Legion, systems on top of systems. If they don't want to continue losing players.

Its like 2 hours per week, come on now

[Popikaify]

You didnt set a foot in shadowlands,wth are u talking about ? its not grindly at all and especially not similiar to bfa lol

[Chickat]

There is no infinite grind.
There is definitely more to do at 60 then BFA. World quests aren't even that important this time. You can do most of the required weekly stuff with dungeons if you wanted.
You say to get rid of the grind from Legion/BFA but then in the next sentence say that you want grinding back from MoP. I liked MoP, but a grind is a grind.
You seem bitter. Consider quitting.

[Dalheim]

I think there's a weekly quest that gives you one level of renown and then you get a renown level from completing each campaign chapter. Here's a guide on how it's broken down per week: https://www.wowhead.com/guides/renow...ession-rewards. Also keep in mind that once you unlock your soulbinds, the rest of the renown levels are pretty optional.

Thanks!

I want the sets and mounts, since thats my kinda thing. ^^

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

It's probably too late now to put the cat back in the bag with these free loot systems, which are what Missions, Azerite, and World Quests basically are.

If they strip all this out, then there's going to be more time investment for less reward, straight up. And a lot of the playerbase will see that as a nerf, or worse, "Korean-ifying the game."

[LordVargK]

Blizz would rather people pay them the monthly sub and not play at all. So, in reality, Blizz absolutely wants the OP...they can power down some VMs and earn extra profit.

Also, in fact, the OP actually provided constructive criticism by not only complaining about a certain system, but recommending an alternative.

You, on the other hand, are actually the person you think you are complaining about.

OP did not even get their facts right, I value any argument based on false premises as worthless.

[kaminaris]

There is no infinite grind.

BfA did not have infinite grind either, at least till 8.3
But since I like the fact I could ignore the "farm" completely in BfA i like that in SL (unlike in legion).

[ldev]

So Shadowlands endgame is pretty much the same as BFA endgame system where you have an infinite grind of the azerorite system but this time is renown and anima. Plus there is a legendary grind added on top that, that's going to be required for raiding. So the grind is back from BFA but with an extra layer of more grinding. Blizzard needs to retire these systems and go back to just grinding for the best gear, like they had in Cata and Mist, not this crap that was added since Legion, systems on top of systems. If they don't want to continue losing players.

And where the fuck do you grind renown?..

[Nalam the Venom]

I never understood these kinds of OP's.. He states an arguments, then several people say "There is no finite grind" But then the OP is just silent.. not trying to counter argument or any thing.. It's like he just read some outdated info on the internet and decided to post a rant about it.. not wanting to discuss with other people

[Ryzeth]

I never understood these kinds of OP's.. He states an arguments, then several people say "There is no finite grind" But then the OP is just silent.. not trying to counter argument or any thing.. It's like he just read some outdated info on the internet and decided to post a rant about it.. not wanting to discuss with other people

They're what we like to call, "Bait threads." - Post something to get people responding aggressively, then abandon the thread as they continue at each other. MMO-C is chock full of them, even though I'm pretty sure they're against the rules.

[dread05]

like they had in Cata and Mist

Did you even play MoP? You had to grind dailies like crazy to get reputation gear to join raids, you had a legendary questline that was a huge grind in itself, you had to grind valor every week to upgrade your gear, hell you even had to grind the raids for thunderforged and warforged gear.

[MrLachyG]

So Shadowlands endgame is pretty much the same as BFA endgame system where you have an infinite grind of the azerorite system but this time is renown and anima. Plus there is a legendary grind added on top that, that's going to be required for raiding. So the grind is back from BFA but with an extra layer of more grinding. Blizzard needs to retire these systems and go back to just grinding for the best gear, like they had in Cata and Mist, not this crap that was added since Legion, systems on top of systems. If they don't want to continue losing players.

it's not infinite. it's finite. you can only get a certain amount each week, it's like valor which was the currency in Mists.

[Chickat]

BfA did not have infinite grind either, at least till 8.3
But since I like the fact I could ignore the "farm" completely in BfA i like that in SL (unlike in legion).

BFA might not have had an infinite farm, but the farm was much worse than SL. In SL you cap weekly and you are done. Its kinda nice. Shadowlands is more like the MoP era in a lot of ways compared to Legion and BFA. It kinda takes the best of both worlds and makes something special. IM not sure if its better than Legion yet tho. It might end up being better than Legion depending on patch content. Legion had more content at launch for sure, but a lot of grinding and general headache systems.

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It's probably too late now to put the cat back in the bag with these free loot systems, which are what Missions, Azerite, and World Quests basically are.

If they strip all this out, then there's going to be more time investment for less reward, straight up. And a lot of the playerbase will see that as a nerf, or worse, "Korean-ifying the game."

I think they did a pretty good job tbh. They took a lot of the free loot away, but you can still reasonably improve your character weekly.

[Frolk]

So Shadowlands endgame is pretty much the same as BFA endgame system where you have an infinite grind of the azerorite system but this time is renown and anima. Plus there is a legendary grind added on top that, that's going to be required for raiding. So the grind is back from BFA but with an extra layer of more grinding. Blizzard needs to retire these systems and go back to just grinding for the best gear, like they had in Cata and Mist, not this crap that was added since Legion, systems on top of systems. If they don't want to continue losing players.

Its capped each week for how much power we can get, did u even research the renown system before u decided to bitch?

[Seranthor]

Its capped each week for how much power we can get, did u even research the renown system before u decided to bitch?

the hate train doesn't allow stops in reality or research... they board and slam the throttle forward... So I would have to reach the conclusion that no research was done at all.

[Lurker1]

So Shadowlands endgame is pretty much the same as BFA endgame system where you have an infinite grind of the azerorite system but this time is renown and anima. Plus there is a legendary grind added on top that, that's going to be required for raiding. So the grind is back from BFA but with an extra layer of more grinding. Blizzard needs to retire these systems and go back to just grinding for the best gear, like they had in Cata and Mist, not this crap that was added since Legion, systems on top of systems. If they don't want to continue losing players.

Your just convinceing me to play more then i loved BFA thanks for the motivation!

[kaminaris]

BFA might not have had an infinite farm, but the farm was much worse than SL. In SL you cap weekly and you are done. Its kinda nice. Shadowlands is more like the MoP era in a lot of ways compared to Legion and BFA. It kinda takes the best of both worlds and makes something special. IM not sure if its better than Legion yet tho. It might end up being better than Legion depending on patch content. Legion had more content at launch for sure, but a lot of grinding and general headache systems.

There was no farm. I did not farm anything. All I did was raids and M+ and neck went up anyways.
So it will be similar in SL except I will have to get out to do some stupid WQs that i completely ignored for vast majority of BfA.

People seems to believe that if there is a "cap" then there is no grind which is just hilarious.
You will still be doing weekly shit for most of expansion and that is a grind in my dictionary.
Doing only couple M+ and raids a week is also a grind if you don't take any pleasure in it.