It does make me think whether there should be solo instances for things like this. In other responses in this thread suggest this might be at least be considered. There is even another thread about people leaving after certain bosses.
It is clear that while dungeon is supposed to a co-operative endeavor, some people does not treat as such. In which cases, solo instances maybe the one answer.
I can see why the go-go-go mentality is present for M+ due to the timing, but I do find it surprising in normal and heroic.
But why should four complete strangers rush just because you don't have much time? Join a guild, okay with friends - don't force your problems on complete strangers and then complain when they don't adjust their playstyle to suit your personal needs.
Fyi this conversation was before m+ so is about difficulties with no timer.
Sorry if it wasn't clear - I'm not saying everyone should adjust to me. In fact, my last statement was "...a high pace in dungeons that everyone can keep up with is ideal IMO." So I'm saying the opposite - we should go as fast as the slowest person can keep up with. That's all I'm saying - speed does matter and I would think we should all be respective of others' time.
On the other side of the coin, why should I get slowed down by two slackers who aren't half paying attention or afk or whatever?
Yeah this is something that most of the times is due to fear of being called by the low dps or a mistake.
I was tanking halls heroic the other day and before the first boss a dps pulled everything left and right by mistake, we died but no one said that dude anything, nevertheless he left and i am sure it was because he was afraid that someone was going to be toxic with him, or simply terrified of doing another mistake.
This is a topic worth considering, how it is possible to have people having such a hard time over a mistake in a videogame? honestly we should all do our part to try and reduce the toxicity, and a lot of players do it in fact, even with people they know they will never meet again.
The run does revolve around the tank, but the tank doesnt get to say "my way or fuck off" anymore. He sets the speed, but if its too slow he gets kicked.
1 person does not get to decide over 4 other people. If you are the minority in a group, you can either fall in or break off. You shouldnt complain that "WAAAAH 4 other people didnt do exactly as i wanted and i didnt want to leave!!!!"
Honstely. I enjoy clearing my dungeons fast.
There is nothing more enjoyable than big dick DPS killing everything I tank within seconds.
Makes me feel powerful and makes me enjoy the game more than anything else.
Going around and enjoying other parts of the game and going a pace slower is for my solo outdoor content.
If I am in a group, I pull on the same string as them. If someone says "my first time here, can you explain", I will do just that.
But my prefered way to play is big dicking everything while being as fast as possible.
This is usually the issue i have as a MW monk even at 185 ilvl. Monks have mana issues in dungeons and sometimes a rushing tank thinks that I can do "The most" like a priest, with lower mana pools. Its give and take i think ultimately, unless its a higher key dungeon and the clock is a factor for your group. (as in you may not time the key for whatever reason or reasons)
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I think you'd really enjoy Diablo style gameplay then! Or maybe I need to play tank more often or something xD but from what I hear, BrM isn't great either. =/
It's a timed run what'd you expect
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Ok, so I registered JUST to reply to your thread. It's a good post.
Unfortunately, I may have been the trigger, who knows. I am leveling an alt Warrior. I rolled it because my level 60 warlock takes a long time in queue. My intent is to level the warrior exclusively through dungeons. For two reasons really. First, quick queue, and I can get some action and control the movement of the group. Second, to help all those other DPS in queue by adding a tank into the mix. I actually enjoy quick tanking and pushing it a bit. It pushes me to be a better tank. Also, all time saved these days is a plus.
It's with good intent from me on that side of it. Hope your travels are well! Cheers
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Because time is money, friend.
I was a Death's Demise.
Those were the good old days.
I don't run the content until I can solo it. I'm not a fan of instance mechanics when a tiny missed step can wipe 40 people who were doing so well just 10 seconds ago. So as for me thanking anyone, I will thank the others like myself who stay subbed through the whole expac so elitists can have their content.
“Be the change you want to see in the world.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi
You are delusional and a hypocrite.
We never force our way onto others. You are free to play as you wish, with whomever you wish, but you can't force us to play the way you want as well. Literal hypocrisy.
Finding a group that plays your way is the heart of building a community. Millions of players play this game and you will NEVER agree on a single way to play it.
IF you want to participate in content that is "elite" you need to follow the most optimal way of playing.
IF you want to participate in content that is "casual" you need to find people who are not into optimizing and min maxing and are just here to have fun.
It's a lot more complicated than that but for the sake of argument let's consider there's elite and casual and not get into super elite super casual ... bla bla bla
Elite content: Mythic raiding, 2400+ ratings, 15-30+ keys.
Casual content: Heroic, normal, and LFR. 0-2100, 2-14 keys.
Yes, IT IS your responsibility to find other people who want to play like you.
Yes, IT IS your fault if you disagree that you need to find a suitable group of like minded individuals.
Yes, quick quick loot loot loot is the heart of fast paced progress. As you said, it's the highway. If you want to go slow, take the slow lane :/
Classic and retail are two different games. For people like you, classic is a lot more friendly because you only have to worry about 2-3 mechanics (if even that) and no timers like m+.
Enjoy classic, not sure why you think you'd be more respected there, but you do you.
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