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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by TEHPALLYTANK View Post
    Context is important, in the context of the layer and floor I was on it was an objectively terrible choice to take. Do I also need to explain to you how a 1.78 second GCD slows down how quickly I can apply Moonfire to multiple targets too? Or the fact that 1 Full Moon every 40 seconds on a single-target fight like Synod, which requires high burst dps, is also bad?

    In order to get more than 1-2 Full Moons per minute you need to be applying Moonfire to multiple targets, this is where it really falls apart. You don't get to control which target it hits, but if you want more hits from it you need to be applying Moonfire to as many targets as possible.

    Frankly I would prefer it be a flat 5-10% chance to proc per moonfire tick, because it would eliminate scenarios in which you have it wasted by it dropping on low-priority targets and it wouldn't be so massive devalued in single-target situations.


    Orbit Breaker seemed like a good idea, then once the reality of it hit me I realized just how badly I'd screwed myself by picking it over Draught of Midday Calm.
    Draught is infinitely better on ONE target, yes, but that is basically the end boss only.
    Orbit Breaker does pretty good damage throughout the run and all you have to do is take Twin Moons for it.

    Granted, I don't do 3 hour Torghast runs killing mobs one by one.
    I usually pull pretty big and kite and dot everything up. This can easily be done solo (I'm 153 on my druid) and yields a much better experience.

    Out of all the dogshit powers a Balance druid can get during a run, Orbit Breaker is not one of them.

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Dundebuns View Post
    /shrug. There is no cost and you can do it as much as you like. I don't complain when I get crap items in Binding of Isaac, I just give it a damn good go with what I have or reset the run.



    There is an average skill level, and half the players are under it. Instead of spoon feeding, Blizz should be encouraging people to get better.
    I agree with that sentiment in theory,but in reality it created a bottleneck of pure horror,i remember on alts queing for normal dungeons and we LITERALY couldnt complete the dungeon because people were zombie level braindead,meanwile in hc things just got stomped....it created a rly weird situation of a lower difficulty being far more difficult to complete than a harder one

  3. #143
    Ding 60, spend about 10-15k on 151 blues on the AH with your BiS stats and you can do wing 3. That's what I did as sub rogue and shadow priest but priest was much easier obviously.

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Might i ask why you would think a new player would be able to beat it on their own?
    Cause its super easy nothing can kill you and a snoozefest

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Sciborg View Post
    Ding 60, spend about 10-15k on 151 blues on the AH with your BiS stats and you can do wing 3. That's what I did as sub rogue and shadow priest but priest was much easier obviously.
    It depends a lot, I did it as 130 ilvl priest and if you get the fade build, it's impossible to fail. As mage, if you get at least 1 invisibility power, you win. Bad rng on powers can fuck with you, but can be offset with ilvl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildpantz View Post
    Cause its super easy nothing can kill you and a snoozefest
    it's definitely not super easy for a new player who's probably stuck in greens and does not know how to play their chosen class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    That is wrong. Torghast is meant for solo and groups hence why it scales for 1-5. To say it is not meant for solo players is go completely against what Blizzard has stated.
    I meant.. maby not go in at below 80-110 ilvl,get some gear first

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  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Oh...i might rush to last boss and dont explore at all though :S
    That's a big part of your problem right there. Big vases and some elites give you powers. Everything you kill and every object you break give you phasma which you can use to buy four more powers total from the two vendors. I walked up to the final boss with one that gave me an entire row of talents with their power doubled, 6k heal per attack, 6k more damage to each attack, -25% caster enemy speed, and a ton more. Almost 40 powers. Bugger hardly got a spell off. Though admittedly being a druid so I could just soak the curse, dispel it, and save my interrupt for bolts helped.
    The most difficult thing for people to do is objectively look at something they don't like and be able to accept that it is not bad, that other people like it, and if it was changed to the way they'd like it that other people would not like it and want it changed back. The second most is to receive something they didn't want or ask for and be grateful for it, not immediately demand what they wanted instead.

  9. #149
    they linked legendaries to that shit. it's a breeze for some spec and a huge pain in the ass for other. great job.

    it's not just new players who fail at the last boss of the second layer. some spec just don't have the tools for certain bosses. and it really feels bad to do 6 floors and get nothing.

    also, who the hell is going to run torghast more than once a week ?

  10. #150
    If you cant brute force with gear, you brute force with anima powers. Also you have so much time in the floors 3 and below that you can take the whole floor one mob at a time. The first 2 floors are hardest since you dont have any souls collected yet and each of them give 1% to all stats.

  11. #151
    Sorry to dissapoint you, but Thorghast realy isnt hard.

    I completed 1 to 8 in the beta twice, somehwere in the middle and at the end of the beta. I have roughly the same gear as on beta now.

    Bosses have alot of health, but thats it..
    I saw some one complaining in /1 about the last boss on layer 3.. Like realy??? Are people picking up souls? or to help those covenant members to get extra anima power??

    Enough ways to beat the content.
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  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeanix View Post
    This seems like a trend that is happening, while for my own sake the difficulty is fine. I have a friend that is super casual, and it has been a long time since he has been in a raid last. More and more content seems to be unavailable to him because of the higher amount of skulle required to do even basic stuff. He cant get through Torghast even the low ones, and he has completely stopped doing dungeons because of the mechanical skill required to do them.
    Go play mobile games or play something that is relevant to his ability in video games. Make no mistake, WoW is not a hard game to play, dungeons are not hard, Torghast may be slightly difficult depending on your class/spec? I play with some super casuals who can still go through the content. Sometimes you just have to face up to the fact that maybe you need to play something you can play.

    Almost feel bad for him/her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Very rare pepe View Post
    Go play mobile games or play something that is relevant to his ability in video games. Make no mistake, WoW is not a hard game to play, dungeons are not hard, Torghast may be slightly difficult depending on your class/spec? I play with some super casuals who can still go through the content. Sometimes you just have to face up to the fact that maybe you need to play something you can play.

    Almost feel bad for him/her.
    how about you go play whatever-souls instead?

    We are talking about a game that is becoming tryhard, and even the easiest content require a higher mechanical skill level that some cant compete with anymore.

    I guess it's only natural as the game has moved away from being an MMO to an action game instead. i just think the lower tiers of content should be easier.

    We dont play it anyways, so i dont see the harm?

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    I love how out of touch random forum goers are with the average player. "lol the game tells you to do this content but you can't BUT THAT'S FINE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING INSTEAD, PLEB." - Yeah, that's going to make people want to pay $15. For the most part Torghast is fine but certain specs struggle with certain bosses so if you're a newer / decidedly average player and you're playing one of those classes, you're kind of fucked. One of my more casual friends is hating every second of Torghast.
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  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by iosdeveloper View Post
    yeah, people love torghast, that's what i was afraid of
    solo dungeons are def coming

    rip mmo aspects of the game =(
    Oh no! An aspect of the game that is barely rewarding and mostly played for fun, and is solo and group play! WoW is doomed, garrison missiontable 2.0!!!

    For real tho, it's fun and fine. I don't see people complaining that mage tower, green fire or even worldquests are soloable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    I love how out of touch random forum goers are with the average player. "lol the game tells you to do this content but you can't BUT THAT'S FINE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING INSTEAD, PLEB." - Yeah, that's going to make people want to pay $15. For the most part Torghast is fine but certain specs struggle with certain bosses so if you're a newer / decidedly average player and you're playing one of those classes, you're kind of fucked. One of my more casual friends is hating every second of Torghast.
    I mean, thats why Thorgast is queable with friends, and has infinite tries. I've seen casuals doing this thing 5-6 times, being insanely satisfied that they finally managed layer 3. If its too easy, there will be no real satisfaction in it, no?
    And it's thankfully not mandatory content to do the hardest difficulty each week. You also gradually unlock helpful things in ve'nari, and learn how it works by playing it more often.

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  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by kukkamies View Post
    The only difficult part seems to be last boss. Playing as Veng DH all trash is easy. 1st and 2nd bosses die in almost one Kyrian Sigil spell, same with all trash.
    Of last bosses first one was the eye, one wrong interrupt meant losing 80% hp. Was really close to dying. Since interrupting normal spell meant can't interrupt the beam.
    Second one was Synod that's full melee. Was a lot easier but takes really long, had to use all cooldowns to get enough self healing. Wonder how would Havoc deal with it at all, even Layer 2 Synod was already difficult with Havoc.
    Having done Torghast on the beta way more than I probably should have, people should know that there are a TON of bugs in Torghast right now when it comes to abilities, damage values, etc. I did notice after the Tuesday maintenance that some abilities are working correctly again when it comes to mobs/bosses, however the next set of wings opening up will just introduce new bugs. As an example, I had an issue with the boss that uses Predator's Gaze on my hunter, where if I didn't move and my pet was on Stay, the enrage still quickly stacked up to 99... which made the boss impossible to kill in time since I'm going at it undergeared and my pet was getting 1-2 shot. While gear would help or mask the issue, it's still a bug that'll make lesser skilled players not feel great while thinking the behavior is intended.

    Expect some adjustments, as there have already been many that didn't make it into the patch notes (probably because the list was too long). If you see potentially aberrant behavior that doesn't seem right, report it immediately. The Torghast beta stress test revealed a TON of boss balancing issues, some of which still exist, so again... report the issues as they may not be intended.
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  17. #157
    How can anyone have trouble in Torghast? Everything there is so squishy and easy to kill as solo queue, the only thing(s) that can kill you are map hazards. That's it.

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    Doesnt the scaling in Torgast make better gear a detriment?

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    Torghast isnt challenging. Its RNG.
    I read that too, and Thorgast being back-loaded (The only reward you get comes from killing the boss) coupled with not knowing which random anima powers you get until you reach the boss is the perfect recipe for frustration, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Mommy View Post
    How can anyone have trouble in Torghast? Everything there is so squishy and easy to kill as solo queue, the only thing(s) that can kill you are map hazards. That's it.
    You're making an awful lot of assumptions about everyone else's ability, class, spec, gear, talents and RNG upgrades in an incredibly RNG dungeon there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusadernero View Post
    I've done the layers I can so far, its been more or less a snoozefest. The last boss in layer 3 I had to pay attention somewhat, the rest was just a zerg.

    Dunno if this really is considered hard, might depend on what class & spec? Nothing for me speaks that its been hard so far, and im not really that good.
    As someone who did full Torghast clears on two characters this week, I can tell you that the main thing I noticed is the inconsistency in difficulty.

    The times I struggled this week:
    - An end-boss of layer 2 in the Soulforges (2 man group) - wiped twice before we got the tactics right to defeat him (tactics involved needing to interrupt a really quick 1 second spellcast he did every 15 seconds or so).
    - The end-boss of layer 3 in the Upper Reaches (solo Warlock) - unable to beat it, got kicked out of the instance by the giant monster that chases you
    - The end-boss of layer 3 in the Upper Reaches (solo Warlock) - this one was actually really easy because I just so happened to have the exact right power to deal with him (insta-resummon your pet, thus my voidwalker could be resummoned to retaunt everytime it died)
    - Layer 3 in the Upper Reaches (2 man group) - the trash was hard, some of the mobs had an aura that really fucked with melee DPS (50% reduced haste and movement speed) - but then the end-boss was one of the easiests I've seen

    Then I also heard multiple 5-man groups were having wipefests on an infamous end-boss called "Cromwell" or something.

    So far it seems like entirely RNG whether or not a run is going to be easy or difficult.
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