The 5% buff did fuck all
You really can't be delusional enough to think the average player has 1800 rating. And that's below the "average 225" lunacy.
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SFE isn't hard, it's tedious and requires a tank's help to maximize. Not saying Balance is harder in that case, but I'm also not saying Balance is the spec that should be #1, only that BM isn't a terrible fit for last spot in a perfect world where effort and skill translates into DPS.
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Eh no, not true. The buff to BDKs actual armor was more like 5-10%. Really not that significant in the grand scheme of balance.
Changing poles?
BM is the easiest spec in the game. And you are talking the aboslute outliers here. You are talking people getting chain buffed by SP and so on. Noone is gonna do that to a BM. You are also talking 20k+ logs vs 2k logs for BM. The difference is probably more like 20% from top to BM
By the amount of pvp boosts happening, this should be around average, ye. But if youre not even able to reach 1.8k (even with goldboost) you're not eligible to claim a class is bad/broken/whatever imo. Such a person is not even capable of playing his own class at 20% what it could do. Thats what i would call way below average. Just talking from a professional perspective here, while "we" have boosted a good over 3000 chars to those ratings now just in SL. And thats just a fraction of the total. I dont wanna know how many thousands blazing is doing per week.
Even running around in oribos inspecting, barely anyone is below 215.
Delusional.
You can check in less than 5 minutes that 225 is not the average by looking at warcraftlogs
Shriekwing Mythic 2 weeks -
Marksman 1222 parses @ ilvl 224-226
Marksman 5820 parses @ ilvl 221-223
Marksman 36672 parses @ all item-levels
And that's just mythic, which the average person doesn't even go into.
Shriekwing Heroic 2 weeks
Marksman 102271 parses @ all item-levels (out of which less than 1000 are @ 224-226 - actually somewhat likely that they are the same 1000 that went into Mythic with that itemlevel since heroic post skip/sludge drop 220 loot and they might still farm that for other guild members)
so basically.
1% is at your assumed average
I'd say the average raider is around 215-220, with mythic raiders closer to 220 and heroic raiders closer to 215
Last edited by KrayZ33; 2021-02-05 at 02:15 PM.
BM is easy ye. So are other classes who are at the very top of dps meters. Boomkin is probably 2nd easiest spec in the game? And at very top.
Around 20-30% worse on other bosses ye. It's insane how bad BM is this tier. Can't believe you are okay when a spec is completely trashed.
I saw this thread and decide to make an account.
I can see that you love BM more than MM due to various reasons, fantasy/feeling etc etc; but those are not valid reasons to claim that BM is fine compared to MM or that "but my guild mate is doing well" -where in LFR? HC? Myth? Percentile?
No matter how want you to believe it, but MM is the strongest spec atm, doing better at anything,ST CLEAVE or AOE, BM lost too much from BFA to SL, no more AOTW+PI - DOD.
If you take into consideration that MM is way above BM in dps and utility atm DESPITE MM legendary begin terrible compared to BM one.
Also you can clearly see with logs that at the same itm lvl AND similar DPS (so for example 2 hunters 220 at 5k and 5.1k dps on the same fight) BM do orange logs while MM do purple often, that means that even with the BIS GEAR BM is way far behind MM.
Last edited by Deepsresso; 2021-02-05 at 01:58 PM.
BM needs 20-25% buff. The end.
With the 5% buff it's better, still lower than almost any spec in the game but not that far... It's perfectly viable, if they really wanted to buff us they would've done more than 5%
I'm 4/10 MM (could've been 5/10 easily if not for fails.. well), and I timed some 16 prior to the buff... YES it's viable, not optimal but viable...
I'm sure you can clear any 15 key with 3 bm hunters if your tank/healers have enough interrupts...
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Bad, it's the worst signature ability, even with lucky procs you cant match NF even in single target.... multitarget is not even worth mentioning... By giving up NF, you pretty much give up your only aoe cooldown. AotW is just a 10% crit + focus regen now...
Last edited by vashe9; 2021-02-05 at 02:43 PM.
If you say so. Yet, these numbers are also true and its your personal given average you have to deal with at this stage.
He was mainly talking about Pvp and WQ. Sure its harder to get to 225 in Raids. For pvp i gave you the state and the numbers. Queue any game above 1500 mmr and you'll see. We also pushed many hunters with 200-205 ilvl to 1,6k or 1,8k. Doable with every of the 3 speccs.
Its the same with people complaining about rogues are op. They're deffo not. Actually, they're in a rather bad state rn.
I'm only missing one m+15 for the achiev, no one in my guild has the key. I try to queue.... I WRITE IN MY NOTE THAN IM BM. And people still kick me after grouping me. HOLY ***** I hate people in this game
Dungeons: Still very much at the top of the pack. Im out dpsing MM hunters with a higher ilvl,
And comments like BM perfectly fine have no problem doing dailies.
what are you smoking people?
Even after the buff best dungeon i did mine 1st 15 plague . boomkin.feral and me Boss dmg was fine on trash which is the key to make in time even all mine cds was 40-50% behind on aoe.least lol. dont even talk when i was whit fire mage.14k aoe he doing 35k+.
so yeh if you aiming keys 10 at max we fine if you want too time higher keys the uncapped aoe dps basickly carry you whit this point. That applies for ofc other classes whit low aoe to.
So tried all those Bm hunters saying it is fine when just got too lvl 60 never done any high staff yet.
Last edited by Boniewow; 2021-02-12 at 08:19 AM.
Strangers don't owe you anything. If they don't want to play with a BM then it is their right.
I play BM with my guildies and MM when I pug. I do prefer BM, but I am adult enough to understand that I am not entitled to be invited to other people's group and if it is MM they want then I can either not do a key or play MM.
You should try to understand how other people think, not because you should think like they do, but because that makes it easier for you to achieve what you want.
P.S.
And there are good reasons why people prefer MM to BM:
1. The AoE is vastly superior and bursty to boot
2. Brings the same utility to the group as a BM + a bit extra in the form of a knockback
Last edited by T-34; 2021-02-13 at 10:22 AM.
well from my experience, bm are good in solo (versus solo boss) but suck at big aoe
mm are good in both, its why people want mm and not bm in mm+
blizzard just need to buff a little more the bm dps and his aoe and he will suddenly be good to pick in mm+
im 197 with mine, no mm+, no raid, wq are not really hard or any big elite out there, you can solo everything fine, sometime the dps is not there, after the burst, if the elite is alive, the fight will be slow to finish on mob with more than 500k hp, the burst under the fairy convenant help a lot to destroy around 350-450k hp of the elite in a few seconds but after that, oh man, its really slow ^^
Last edited by kaintk; 2021-02-13 at 09:26 PM.
They don't have to play with him, but it's still toxic to act toxic in a children's video game. It isn't a positive experience.
Example: if everyone decides they only want to fill their groups with WW monks, that is toxic, bad for the game, stupid, etc. I mean if you wanna defend that type of behavior in a Massive MULTIPLAYER online game where you socialize with people, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's a bad opinion.
Also we all pay a subscription fee (some do), so we are actually contractually entitled to a satisfactory service.