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Is OP actually suggeting a nerf, though? Sounds to me like he's just complementing the spec, and it's good that people recognise the strength of BM in solo content instead of seeing the same vapid nonsense about how SV must be the best solo levelling spec due to the Harpoon reset.
Well, you have Frenzy and your cooldowns to track. Frenzy actually makes a big difference in AoE which is what you're doing all the time while levelling. Honestly it felt even less involved when I was going through on my Protection paladin. At least on my BM Hunter I needed to be mindful on huge pulls to make sure I max out my pet damage for the leech healing while keeping Mend Pet rolling. As a Prot Paladin it really does feel like I can randomly rush in and mash buttons until everything falls over.
They were overpowered due to how they interacted with the borrowed power mechanics of that expansion. It actually took quite a bit of specific gear choices to dominate in M+.
Is this a troll? If so, I guess I'm taking the bait.
BM gets an absolutely massive penalty for the pet dying. You lose something like 80% of your damage for as long as the pet is dead. Revive Pet is a 4 sec cast that costs 35 focus; you can't move while casting it and it can be interrupted. This alone is enough to essentially disqualify both BM and SV from rated PvP right now so evidently it is a pretty huge penalty.
This point about being able to macro your pet res is stupid. Of course you can do that. So what? You still have to do the same breakable 4 sec cast. How much of a skillcap do you really think it is to manually res the pet v.s. having a condition in a DPS macro?
What exactly do you think is a good "solution" to this "problem" of yours, anyway? I've truly never seen someone get worked up over the fact that Hunters can... resurrect their pets. Being able to cancel out 80% of a BM Hunter's damage so easily and prevent them from getting it back sure does seem like enough of a downside as it is. Most other classes do not have a weakness like that.
Finally, claiming BM has gotten easier since Vanilla is absurd. In Vanilla WoW all 3 Hunter specs did the same 2 button rotation. In BC it was even worse as BM would just weave Steady Shot and Auto Shot and there was a macro to do that for you. BM now is far more involved than it was back then. Sure, you can still do "decent" DPS if you don't really care and just push what lights up. The same is true for most classes, in fact. However, it's not like there's no skill cap and no opportunity to push for better performance. You have the Frenzy mechanic and two cooldowns, and proper management of those can make a big difference.
A pet class excelling at solo content is a total non-issue. That's an inherent fact of being a pet class. Plus, there are far more powerful specs in Torghast including many that aren't pet classes.
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I have an equally easy time on my Blood DK, Prot Pally, any DH spec, etc. BM is great for solo stuff but this thread is greatly exaggerating the matter.
This post should be sticked to the top of the main page so people can read the replies OP got for no reason and know what they're into when they're planning to use mmo-champ
I don’t agree. BM is a mobile ranged dps spec with a built in tank. No dps spec comes close to it for solo content. It’s good that Blizzard have put some more emphasis on the need of healing the pet as well as increasing ress time. If Blizzard insist on making solo content more relevant then they need to balance classes survivability in solo content better. Doing Torghast on my Hunter is lightyears easier than on my Rogue. That’s a fact.
However I completely agree with your comment that Prot Pala and some other tanks are even more OP for some solo content.
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Of course you don't agree because who else in the world has such an intense grudge against BM that they would genuinely, sincerely take issue with a pet class being good at solo content?
Again, total non issue. As long as all classes can do the solo content there is no problem. Because, you know, it's solo content. The reason balance matters in raids is because you're talking about the validity of each spec taking a raid spot, and a huge imbalance in performance means people playing certain specs get left out. You can't get left out of solo content. I shouldn't have to explain such common sense concepts but evidently common sense eludes you.
P.S. You have a habit of dropping "That's a fact" all over your posts. As much as you think it does, it doesn't make them any more impactful or actually true.
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Yep, BM is the best leveler by a mile. Also great solo and questing at max level, and fantastic QoL with full movement. Its damage is ranked like 21 out of 24 specs though, so it isn't remotely competitive in real content. That may not matter to you, of course.
This is why all of my allied races are bm hunters with spirit beasts. I have like 16 BM hunters + some on horde side. Stopped counting.
They are disgusting and thats why I love love love them. On my balance druid I prowled through everything that wasn't necessary to kill and had struggles to kill stuff when my night fae ability thingie ended. On BM hunter? Into the meat grinder with everything.
Oh, on max level, I meet hunters without pets kiting buffier rares and whatnot (night fae amphitheater) around, getting smashed in the face, seeing the relief when I arrive on my shaman with my Earth ele (ok, sometimes I just watch them), and I'm like bro, you're hunter, why don't just pull your pet out for outdoor stuff...
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The primary reason BM is the best is its ability to handle mass amounts of mobs at a time. Its strength in fact becomes more pronounced beyond level 30. Before level 30 I can actually imagine SV being faster, but once you get to the levelling content where specs are more fleshed out and the content itself takes longer and hits harder then BM pulls far, far ahead. Ferocity pets heal when they do damage, BM does most of its damage (especially in AoE situations) via its pet, therefore BM pets have huge passive healing that keeps them alive on giant pulls that would just wipe out SV and MM. Simple as that. This is not even considering PvP talents, where BM has the tactical nuke that is Dire Beast: Hawk (just stupid amounts of uncapped AoE on a short cooldown) while MM and SV are stuck with PvP talents that pretty much universally suck for levelling.
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