Page 7 of 7 FirstFirst ...
5
6
7
  1. #121
    Elemental Lord Kathranis's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Austin, Texas
    Posts
    8,651
    Really an apples or oranges discussion.

    Star Wars is mostly a serialized movie franchise with a few television shows. It leans towards fantasy and emphasizes action, adventure, and mysticism. Lots of action and lots of high budget spectacle.

    Star Trek is a mostly episodic television franchise with a few decent movies. It leans towards hard science fiction and emphasizes problem solving, diplomacy, exploration, etc. Very minimal action and generally low budget, not including the most recent series that have tried to be more like Star Wars.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by hortrorog View Post
    I know I'm late but the ot is about a group of people rebelling and fighting against a fascist government.

    The pt is about how a democracy have become that very fascist government.

    I mean yeah it was told through a family drama, but saying it doesn't has social elements is just silly.

    The mature clone wars and rebels episode also have a lot of social /political themes. Also Rogue One.

    Also I'm not sure why are you trying to gatekeep so hard science fiction. Star Wars is a mix of sci-fi and fantasy, but the fantasy element don't negate the sci-fi.
    It's a space opera which technically makes it sci-fi, but there is very little science in Star Wars. It's almost purely window dressing; you could tell the exact same stories in a medieval fantasy setting and you'd barely need to change anything. Hell, most of the stories are basically redressed samurai flicks and spaghetti westerns dressed up with laser swords and spaceships.

    Pretty much the only true sci-fi elements in Star Wars are the clones and droids, and even then it only minimally deals with the scientific aspects and mainly uses them as an allegory for racial discrimination and oppression.

    It's not gatekeeping, it's just the truth. Star Wars is as much sci-fi as the Marvel movies are.
    Last edited by Kathranis; 2021-04-10 at 08:51 AM.

  2. #122
    The Insane PC2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Location
    California
    Posts
    19,941
    Star Trek feels more human and relatable so I'd choose it over Star Wars. I like the realism of The Expanse better than both of them but I feel its version of the future is too pessimistic, even though it makes for good drama.
    Last edited by PC2; 2021-04-10 at 09:44 PM.
    Optimism! (HumanProgress.org)

  3. #123
    Elemental Lord Kithelle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Somewhere where canon still exists
    Posts
    8,534
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantera View Post
    I never quite got into Star Trek but from the stuff I have been exposed to, I feel like Star Trek is probably the one out of the two you will get the most out of, if you are looking for something with a bit more thought put into it that asks some interesting questions. With that said there's schlocky Star Trek stuff too and I think unfortunately Star Wars is partly to blame for that.

    With Star Wars I feel like you really gotta be able to look at it with a fresh non-biased way to get something out of it because if you go into Star Wars thinking "everyone LOVES this its gonna be great" you might end up being very let down. The original trilogy is great but the films themselves are still your fairly typical adventure movies, which depending on your taste might be good or might be bad. The prequels were a mess and the most recent films are unfortunately a good example of how to completely run a franchise into the ground in just a few years.
    And the funny thing is there are people over at Disney who want to deliver a good experience, unfortunately there are a lot of people with agendas and people who will just toss any stupid little thing that pops into their head on paper...I mean come on a character that is a rock named geode who talks about sex? Truly is a reason they call it the "high" republic because they gotta be high writing this trash.
    #WithoutRespectWeReject

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Kithelle View Post
    And the funny thing is there are people over at Disney who want to deliver a good experience, unfortunately there are a lot of people with agendas and people who will just toss any stupid little thing that pops into their head on paper...I mean come on a character that is a rock named geode who talks about sex? Truly is a reason they call it the "high" republic because they gotta be high writing this trash.
    Disney have done well with the MCU (some duds but overall a good job) but the problem with how they have handled Star Wars is they pretty much played it too safe. Star Wars fans like to talk about how huge the universe is and how many possibilities there are to make something cool and unique, yet we keep coming back to the same handful of characters with the same elements (lightsabers, tiefighters, empire vs rebels etc) with almost no new angles or ideas.

    I'm one of those who actually liked TFA, it wasn't brand new but it was the foundation for something that could have been good but unfortunately they dropped the ball with pretty much everything.

  5. #125
    Star Wars always seemed Sci-Fi/Fantasy to me (Jedis and the Force are definitely fantasy), and Star Trek always seemed high-end Sci-fi/Drama. Just IMO, of course.

  6. #126
    Both, because one is more science fiction and the other one is a space fantasy. They both have equal measures of good and bad content. It’s not one or the other.

  7. #127
    Herald of the Titans Nathreim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    San Antonio, Texas
    Posts
    2,906
    For Trek the original show and Next Generation are great and Deep Space 9 is okay. Everything else is garbage.

    For Star Wars you cant go wrong with the original Trilogy. The prequels are okay and Clone Wars is good. The Mandalorian is great. Everything else is shit so avoid it like the plague.

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Beloren View Post
    Someone who’s never watched em is thinking of giving them a try. They don’t have time for both because there is so much stuff especially when you count all the series.

    You are told to pick one or recommend one. Which would you? Or how would you advise them of the two so they instead can make an informed choice?

    Both have a lot of buzz and both are active again, described as the two biggest names in sci fi tv/movies. This has garnered the interest.
    Both^^
    I could not recommend one above the other.

    Old Star wars is better watchable than the older Star trek shows.

    Original Star Trek is basically only watchable for old fans. It is incredibly cringy.
    The next ones have REALLY bad CGI now sadly and the acting is also quite... bad tbh. But they all (expecpt the original, fight me^^) have very good character development.
    Discovery is also not bad as long as you don't follow the hate bandwagon of the core fanbase. They cry alot which gets a bit annoying and they are really progressive with characters. So as long as you don't have a problem with that go for it. (that was the original intention btw. But the time the other shows have been produced did not allow that)
    Star Trek overall is more about military and the universe is way more chaotic. Very heavy on exploration. Think of a 4X game in tv format. But there are tons of contradictions in the tv show which they always solve buy just adding some sort of technology or uber powerful race who can do basically everything. So don't try to keep the universe coherent. It will never be. Too many cooks.

    Star Wars is a decade spaning film franchise with a really good animated tv show attached. Original trilogy is amazing, but much like the original star trek, does have its problems storywise when you put down the roseglases.
    The prequel trilogy starts semi good, gets weird and whiney, but ends on a high note.
    Sequel trilogy... well they wanted to cache in on nostalgia which mean it is basically the first trilogy without the charisma of the original actors and the characters who have potential gets wasted. And again: Don't follow the hate bandwagon of the so called "fans". The movies are not as bad as they make them out to be. Especially Admiral Holdo... who was sooooo justified in what she did. In contrast to here male advisary.
    Then you have the on-offs. Some really good, some don't exist (christmas special and ewoks), some just meh.

    Star Wars is way more charater centric than star trek. Overall story is the basic good vs. evil. You never find out why they are evil. Temptation and feeelins. All of it is basically centered around one family and you will see the (some) same characters over all the media.
    It is more Science Fantasy as the force is basically magic. But set in a technological waaaaaaay advanced age.

    tldr: Both franchises have their ups and downs. Both franchises are only made too squeeze as much money out of merchendise as possible. But either one is good stupid entertainment for a lazy weekend. Don't try to compare them. If you do: throw stargate in the mix, which imho is superior to both despite its HEAVY military influence. Jaffa, kree!

  9. #129
    Both are really struggling to create interesting characters. So is WoW for that matter.

    I almost feel like the writers need a phone app to create a newly written characters' personality.

    Sliders that go from 1 (low) to 100 (high) on:

    1. self-confidence
    2. sarcastic
    3. rule-breaker
    4. love
    5. heart
    6. trust
    7. family
    8. career
    9. street smarts
    10. book smarts
    11. handy with tools
    12. neurotic
    13. chatty
    14. grumpy

    etc, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I want the ruins of K'aresh for 9.0 as I envision it as Netherstorm on steroids. A broken, shattered world. Eco-domes are stuck on various chunks to protect flora & fauna. I imagine a K'aresh ocean & maybe some islands contained in an eco dome or a snow-capped peak with some jungle valleys in another. Flesh version of Ethereals that never got altered. Space platforms as in Starcraft. Just a totally fantastic tileset & theme that I'd be very keen to explore. They could do some wild things.

  10. #130
    Elemental Lord Kithelle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Somewhere where canon still exists
    Posts
    8,534
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantera View Post
    Disney have done well with the MCU (some duds but overall a good job) but the problem with how they have handled Star Wars is they pretty much played it too safe. Star Wars fans like to talk about how huge the universe is and how many possibilities there are to make something cool and unique, yet we keep coming back to the same handful of characters with the same elements (lightsabers, tiefighters, empire vs rebels etc) with almost no new angles or ideas.

    I'm one of those who actually liked TFA, it wasn't brand new but it was the foundation for something that could have been good but unfortunately they dropped the ball with pretty much everything.
    Really only two things I enjoyed out of Disney, Rogue One and The Mandalorian. TFA just felt like it was rehashed from ANH....then TLJ was even more disappointing and felt like a rehash of ESB...then low and behold, gotta find the death star and kill the Emperor, felt like that was done before too. Saw Solo but it felt like he was a bystander for 90% or more of his own movie...felt like everyone around him had more character than he did (Even the droid felt like she had more personality than he did). The way he "came" up with his last name was a facepalm.
    #WithoutRespectWeReject

  11. #131
    Mandalorian...not seen any of it. But you guys are annoying me...by provoking my curiosity.

  12. #132
    Trek, DS9, 'nuff said.

  13. #133
    I never understood why they didn't make any new Star Wars films after Return of the Jedi.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •