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  1. #81
    And lol @580 survival parses from ~38000 hunter parses overall, the effort that went into changing that spec really paid out.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Vilendor View Post
    What happened with feral? Every site predicted them dead bottom
    It usually comes down to damage uptime. To my knowledge most people do their sims assuming they can have 90-100% damage uptime on boss, which is not realistic in some, if not most, bosses. There's movement involved, and thems speedy catbois are good at that. The faster you can zoom about, the faster you can get back to actually doing damage.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatali View Post
    It usually comes down to damage uptime. To my knowledge most people do their sims assuming they can have 90-100% damage uptime on boss, which is not realistic in some, if not most, bosses. There's movement involved, and thems speedy catbois are good at that. The faster you can zoom about, the faster you can get back to actually doing damage.

    Mobility classes are most of the time stronger when everyone is still learning the fights.


    the strong showing of the few ferals will close over time probably... as other classes learn to have more uptime and optimize around boss abilities. It is easier for cat to run in/out and you have a lot of energy pooling inactive time where you can deal more easily with running around. But i also expect a bigger benefit from other classes legendaries... i am underwhelmed by the overall affect of them for a feral compared to not wearing one.

    If you wear 10 ilvl lesser gear compared to feral with leg., balance will sim 500dps higher without wearing a legendary...
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  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Azerox View Post
    Hybrid classes out dps mages, yep, working as intended.
    "Hybrid classes" in 2020 ... sure buddy...

    Also see this response:

    Quote Originally Posted by rowaasr13 View Post
    This is a shitty excuse that people were told to drop expansions ago by Blizzard. Your "pures" can switch to 3 different flavors of damage with own flow, set of utilities, mobility and other stuff each. If you want to be damager as priest, you're LOCKED to SP. By what right you preach about dropping a damage penalty on top of that? And it's not like people dream of dropping their spec and going healing either. Just treat them as separate classes and throw this excuse to garbage where it belongs.

  5. #85
    Nice to see arcane (and mage to a lesser extent) being trash tier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puri View Post
    And lol @580 survival parses from ~38000 hunter parses overall, the effort that went into changing that spec really paid out.
    People who play melee tend to reroll to ranged and blizz pretends a melee spec added to the "most ranged" class in the game to be successful? How could they be so naive?
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  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by rowaasr13 View Post
    This is a shitty excuse that people were told to drop expansions ago by Blizzard. Your "pures" can switch to 3 different flavors of damage with own flow, set of utilities, mobility and other stuff each. If you want to be damager as priest, you're LOCKED to SP. By what right you preach about dropping a damage penalty on top of that? And it's not like people dream of dropping their spec and going healing either. Just treat them as separate classes and throw this excuse to garbage where it belongs.
    Trying to claim a mage can respec and all of a sudden be able to heal? The fact a hybrid can stop their dps during heavy raid aoe damage and spam heal themselves to stay alive is why they should have lower damage.

    A dead dps does no damage.....

    I agree that this was obvious. Even lowbie bgs predicted this.
    Last edited by blankfaced; 2020-12-10 at 12:29 PM.
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  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Indil View Post
    Do yourself a favor and learn to sort warcraftlogs properly op, thanks.

    5 or 6 specs need buffs, 5 or 6 need nerfs. I'm fine with the middle pack. They really fucked up with that gap between the top 6 and last 6, but for the rest they nailed it pretty good IMO

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    We're pushing CE this expansion and my baby just doesn't cut it.

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  9. #89
    I play a class with 3 dps specs, and all 3 of them are in the bottom half of specs... zzz

    Youd think with 3 dps specs the highest preforming should be a somewhat decent choice... but instead with the choice of 3 specs dps specs my class still lands at 10 out of 12...

    Its a fucking statistical anomaly is what it is... 1/64 assuming rng tuning... with warriors being 2nd worst at a 1/36 chance of ending up being class 11/12 with 2 dps specs.

    and its even worse if your a good player looking at the 90 percentile... then mages is below warriors.. landing us at 11/12th class despite having 3 fucking dps specs...

    Fucking hell when are they gonna learn to balance shit.
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  10. #90
    *Blizz* UH needs a massive nerf into the ground you say?! Okay! Coming right up, blizz can never make small adjustments.

  11. #91
    They need to bake SnD back into assas and buff some stuff. All three having maintenance buffs like that suck. It's a niche thing anymore any should stay with combats redheaded step child.
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  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Vilendor View Post
    What happened with feral? Every site predicted them dead bottom
    Convoke Spirits (Night Fae) is crazy good burst.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Gasparde View Post
    3% nerf for UH, 2% buff for Assa, 17% buff for Havoc, call it a day - Blizzard style.

    Also, 2 weeks later, nerf a bunch of random Covenants, Conduits and Legendaries because you've explicitly told players you wouldn't do so.... again.
    Why only a 2% buff for assa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puri View Post
    And lol @580 survival parses from ~38000 hunter parses overall, the effort that went into changing that spec really paid out.
    Yes they should really have anticipated this. To be fair, individually SV is actually a pretty fun spec but it just have no chance at all of competing with 2 of the best ranged specs in the game. Plus most players perceive hunter as a ranged class and a melee spec will never be accepted by the majority.

  14. #94
    I can understand the original craft, I'm a Ce famed raider, but we are on mmochampion, should have linked the bars for a graphical impact
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  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by blankfaced View Post
    Trying to claim a mage can respec and all of a sudden be able to heal? The fact a hybrid can stop their dps during heavy raid aoe damage and spam heal themselves to stay alive is why they should have lower damage.

    A dead dps does no damage.....
    This might come as a surprise to you, but in raiding there are classes that are dedicated to healing dps specs. Hybrid's ability to self heal themselves makes a very little impact on their ability to stay alive except during progression.

    "Hybrid" arguments are inane and belong in 2010. Move on already

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    And what advice would you give the best players in the world about how they are wrong about the difficulty?

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    HAHA, exactly my firs thought as well.

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    I should have been clearer - after getting a few upgrades and having a little bit more experience (not that they hadnt done plenty on ptr when they could etc), heroic FELT much easier. Obviously it is harder when compared in a vacuum, but minor gear upgrades (not an entire difficulty worth of gear) and a few extra pulls made heroic feel smoother and easier to them.

    And that is mostly concerning because these guys are FAR more geared than the target audience of the normal mode difficulty.
    Seems blizzard agreed and the first round of HEAVY adjustments hit last night. I am sure more tuning is to come as the week progresses.

  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by clevin View Post
    Don't fucking tell me what I want. It's annoying and offensive. The rest of your post is pedantic bullshit and illogical, aside from not being close to the pure dps vs other classes issue.

    I made the mistake of thinking that perhaps you could have a rational discussion. Oh well.
    how can that be offensive lol

  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    So what about the community that only raid normal? Or only raid up to heroic?
    They are going to spend the next couple months very slowly sludging through the raid on normal, and if current trends keep up I doubt they will see much of anything on Heroics if they even get that far. An if this is what the slightly above avg ran guilds are feeling Id hate to see what the next step down guilds are feeling.



    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post

    The outer world stuff is more challenging too.
    I am ok with it if this is what they want to do. But, they are gonna cave. They always do.
    Never found it to be but I play a class that can counter the majority of it and has some pretty strong self heals.

  19. #99
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    really regretting leveling a warrior first
    Well then get your shit together.
    Get it all together. And put it in a backpack. All your shit. So it’s together. And if you gotta take it somewhere, take it somewhere, you know, take it to the shit store and sell it, or put it in a shit museum, I don’t care what you do, you just gotta get it together.
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  20. #100
    There's one spec which class color is red that will get nerfed hard soon

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