I just got this damn Quest on my Forsaken, I want to get the Soul Ash, but want to let her Rot even more.
So what are you trying to say then? That I should have stabbed Jaina the moment I saw her after entering the Maw for the first time, and then kneel before the Jailer? Anyway, what you're saying might or might not be true, it's a pure speculation and it might as well just be Jailer/Sylvanas propaganda to excuse their doings.
You still didn't get my argument, which is the non-ordinary circumstances that we happened to be in. Basically anyone would think "holy shit, we need to get out of here. I hate that human mage, but we all need each other right now to survive and bring things back to normal, or we will literally cease to exists". Unless you're a sociopath that is, in which case you'd just refuse to to save her, making yourself an enemy of the Ebon Blade and looking wierd before the Oribos attendants, probably getting kicked out to who even knows. Hell, you wouldn't even jump into the Maw, because why trust a former human paladin and a former acting leader of Stormwind? Guess this one doesn't bother you at all?
I am so happy that Blizz didnt bother with any AvH hate and war arc in Shadowlands (even if it's for limited time). Alliance and Horde fighting in such a place would be so absurdly stupid and wrong that no words could describe it.
Except when they don't since he has no way to actually enforce anything on them. Like the Night Elves in BfA. Practice actually speaks against your claim.
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We have no idea if he does or does not predate Oribos. For that matter, we don't know if the Titans predate Oribos, though we have good reason to believe they've never been to the Shadowlands because they know jack squat about it.
Yes, she is framed as wrong for wanting vengeance. Not for not following Anduin. Which, given that she completely abandoned her job for it, is perfectly reasonable. She's supposed to be the leader of the Night Elves, not their avatar of vengeance when they are in dire need of leadership.
They have Malfurion for all their leadership needs and they will be fine with that. Taking vengeance against the horde and sylvanas will serve a purpose of preventing event like Teldrassil burning happening again, by showing the price of the wanton slaughter to them, horde races have limited capacity for learning after all but they do understand simple stimulus - pain, loss, punishment or reward. You know, Pavlovian things.
That's a good solution. WoW is often accused of being too white or too black with few grey areas in-between, and I think it is a fitting description for this situation. Either Teldrassil burns/Undercity is plagued, or we save a very important enemy leader from captivity and torture, all in the span of two expansions.
The horde wouldn't even have to attack the alliance, they would just have to pretend Jaina isn't there; and viceversa the alliance with Thrall, so the respective factions can go save them.
pretty sure the ethnic purge of civilians that was not punished is upseting, not her getting angry... and sorry, where is the cannon that SHOPKEEPERS in dalaran knew and had something to do with that shit? i somehow missed that
but ok they retconed it, its not like we WERE THERE and remember kiling/saving those civilians... i guess if they retcon teldrasil and give good reason why Sylva burned it alliance players will be so happy about her they vote her in to replace anduin...
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Nuked Theramore, Blighted Gilneas, Hillbrad, and part of WPL, Burned people alive in a Giant tree, Nailed adults to buildings in a town that wasn't part of the alliance at that point.
if there was a faction that needed to be shit on its the Horde members who aren't spineless leaf eaters.
Look at it this way: The storyline of WoW hinges on the player characters doing stupid stuff all the time, we released Gul'Dan in order to escape from the iron Horde at the start of WoD (Setting up an expansion and a half of misery from him) FFS!
So just handwave it away as a none-too-bright adventurer doing none-too-bright things (As adventurers do, they're not very bright, you see. :P ), it's how i justified putting Thrall back together in Cataclysm, the aforementioned freeing Gul'Dan in WoD, and a host of other things i knew would turn out badly.
and in wow they add forsaken to the horde (that even in w3 they werent absolutely like thrall's horde), so?
expense? forsaken ever stopped to let the alliance to be boring paladins paragon of goodness? the nelfs happy tree friends? it hurt you that not everyone like your human light boy? next is to cut maghars? the blood elves werent enough?
until your fantasy is be a literal next level mary sue loved by even the enemies what the forsaken characterization remove from warcraft? really, killing and torturing fucking abstract npcs doesnt limit yours rps in any single way.
and kek about bdsm, grow up dude...
yes infact thats the problem, they sold to me a convenience alliance, not the peacnik coolaid they are trying to force on me now. they still tried to sell me that rp for all bfa (even with the trash that the baine quest was) where i could imprison eitrigg and parade with him. praise all that crying. damn these are only more rps...
and sociopath forsaken arent canon? lol, the hillsbrad quest (or any pre calia forsaken character/quest to be fair) is still there.
thats the difference btw. im not forcing human paladin n.65178543 to become a lovecratian horror, i absolutely dont care. let anduin be him all the time. its not my cup of tea and i cant care less (until he become a cancer even for the horde like now). but fuck let me play a story that blizzard wrote for 16 years (lesser to be fair, tons of time where the forsaken were completely MIA). dont force me to save for the 2° or 3° time that fucking tyrande thats the epithome of what all my race hate (light&nature). dont force me in fucking incoherent stories like argus where my character is suppoused to burn from light but i have to start a fucking light engine????
stop calling me a living for the love of the jailer!
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12/6/2009 -23/11/2020 rip little deathstalker Ferretti. proud forsaken, enemy of the livings
The Void. A force of infinite hunger. Its whispers have broken the will of dragons... and lured even the titans' own children into madness. Sages and scholars fear the Void. But we understand a truth they do not. That the Void is a power to be harnessed... to be bent by a will strong enough to command it. The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master. Wield the shadows as a weapon to save our world... and defend the Alliance!
I think the problem is that you are expecting this MMO to have as intricate a plot as a single-player RPG. There is simply no way for an MMO to adept it's main plot to the whims of every player. Not even SWTOR manages that and it is as close to a single player RPG as an MMO can get.
This game assumes and plays out with your character being a decent person, yes there are outliers with the quests in Hillsbard and now with the Loyalists, but you still ARE the Champion of Azeroth. A hero. That is how the story will treat you, because that is how the majority of people want to be treated in a game.
And btw. My Death Knight is also constantly adressed as "mortal" by everyone in the SLs. It's weird, but simply can't be helped.
You can make your headcannon as you wish, but the game will not bend to it. If you want to control the outcome of a game you need to play one that is not played by millions of others as well. I suggest Divinity 2.
It seems i have to explain to you what i meant because you are unable to understand. Its not your personal edgy fantasy and RP that is a problem. But rather the way it comes at expense of every other race - certain horde races want to have honor or maybe just NOT be a band of genocidal maniacs? Too bad! Have to chug along with forsaken and their evil-barbie "queen" and then take the hit for that too.
Alliance dosent want to play a victim/punching bag for your entertainment? Too bad! Someone has to be a victim for the villain and since there always will be "non factional story" where two factions have to set aside their differences and all that we HAVE to forgive and forget which results in enormous cuckoldry which is neither heroic nor good.
Now do you understand? Being an edgy villain is fine, to each their own but in order for you to be this way everybody else has to either be a goon or a victim.
Just last expansion, Jaina was the main villian for Horde players, actively trying to kill them repeatedly. She was a raid boss that killed a "goodguy" Horde leader, defeated the Horde player, laughed at them and ran away.
Making the Horde player rescue her is almost as stupid as forcing them to use Dalaran as their capital city after the Purge.