(Unholy) 15% Mastery Nerf

[Baconeggcheese]

Urgh. I was fine with those 15% but adding another 5% on top just adds insult to injury.
Heavens forbid Unholy DKs are actually leading the dmg meter once every few expansions.

Lmao, you should get an acting gig playing the victim.

[Utrrabbit]

-15% nerf
"It is just 3 to 5% overall nerf guys, Unholy will still be top"
-20% nerf
"It is just 3 to 5% overall nerf guys, Unholy will still be top"

It is like some people think spouting numbers out of their buttholes like that will make them sound intelligent or credible.

A 15% to 20% mastery nerf equates mathematically to a 3% to 5% overall nerf. The numbers are not spouted randomly. Which is not that bad considering unholy was a good 10% higher than the next spec.

Unholy is STILL top dps after the nerf. The gap just is not as large.

[Galathir]

A 15% to 20% mastery nerf equates mathematically to a 3% to 5% overall nerf. The numbers are not spouted randomly. Which is not that bad considering unholy was a good 10% higher than the next spec.

Unholy is STILL top dps after the nerf. The gap just is not as large.

Again with the 10%. I posted logs above. You're talking out of your ass. And the numbers are kinda spouted randomly as the impact of the nerf will depend on the amount of mastery equipped.

[Recovery]

Lmao, you should get an acting gig playing the victim.

Hmmm, if i remember correctly, unholy topped damage meters for a good stent in BFA too... Resulting in an eventual nerf then, as well.

[Utrrabbit]

Again with the 10%. I posted logs above. You're talking out of your ass. And the numbers are kinda spouted randomly as the impact of the nerf will depend on the amount of mastery equipped.

Actually they arent. New logs are coming in already after the nerf and it shows unholy STILL top by a good 5%.

Just cause you clearly do not understand simple percentages and math, does not mean they are made up.

[Galathir]

Actually they arent. New logs are coming in already after the nerf and it shows unholy STILL top by a good 5%.

Just cause you clearly do not understand simple percentages and math, does not mean they are made up.

Well, your 10% were demonstrably made up. And the amount of logs after less than a day is too little to be representative. Most of EU hasn't even started their first raids of the ID yet.

Hmmm, if i remember correctly, unholy topped damage meters for a good stent in BFA too... Resulting in an eventual nerf then, as well.

I think the last time UH topped meters without being nerfed to the ground after less than two weeks was Throne of Thunder, and that was only because of disease snapshotting and Ji-Kuns's Feather.

[hasslehoof]

Lmao, you should get an acting gig playing the victim.

you're telling me my giga tanky class which can immune cheese mechanics, has one of the best raid CDs and insane self healing isn't allowed to top the meters by a solid 10%?

could of fooled me.

[Dancaris]

Well, Limits bring 3 UDKs to first kills, so your whine is laughing.

[Baconeggcheese]

you're telling me my giga tanky class which can immune cheese mechanics, has one of the best raid CDs and insane self healing isn't allowed to top the meters by a solid 10%?

could of fooled me.

Right, its only allowed top top meters by around 5%, woe is you.

[ClassicPeon]

O-U-C-H!

Unholy

[With regional restarts] Mastery: Dreadblade effectiveness reduced by 15%.

I mean, I agree that Unholy needed something to tuned down.


But I also feel that is a very steep nerf especially since the Mastery changed in Shadowlands. Will this mean we will see Haste and Versatility move up on the stat priority?


Will the Eternal Hunger:


(Dark Transformation's duration is increased by 3 sec and your Minion damage is increased by 3.0%)


Potency Conduit become even more important to get?


Overall I believe Unholy will be fine and still be "upper tier" DPS in raids and M+ but... 15%... jeeeeeeeeeeeze.

Its such a steep nerf that you are still only topped by MM hunters.

mhm...

[RuneDK]

my main was dk frost since years, i will never play the other spec because i dont like the boring gameplay they are

and for the first time ever, i just decided to change my main to beast hunter because blizzard destroyed the dk frost under the ground, not a little , very hard

playing beast hunt, you can see the huge difference between a class blizzard love(hunt) and a class they dislike (dk)

ive been debating leveling a hunter tbh. not sure ill like BM though

[Ealyssa]

It is like some people think spouting numbers out of their buttholes like that will make them sound intelligent or credible.

Or maybe, just maybe, that aren't full on stupid and can do the basic math ?
Also today's logs are proving them right... UH is still first by far and will get another round of nerf after the WF progress is done.

[kosajk]

i prefer frost, but what in the actual fuck is this...god forbid a dk spec dominate for more than a week in PvE. Can't stand the vision of these developers.

they didn't need to happen, just buff other specs up. Crazy concept I know.


right? any time Frost is top 3 it doesnt even last a week. they nerf within a couple days.

in perfect development situation there should be balancing every week to smooth things out for everyone and not let some classes just roll through content for 6 months while most ppls just struggle in similar situation.
Second thing buffing all spec to "outlayers level" would put us in 2 sec 100%-0 HP situation, on par with rogues/hunters before nerfs, its not a place where i would like to be pvp wise as a shaman
Its totally better to tone down some classes and buff some other to be on similar level in the end than just buff everyone mindlessly to not hurt someone feelings ;P

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I wonder if the data this guy spouted out of nowhere is considered a good representation for you?

This guy literally pulled a "Source: trust me dude" yet you're arguing with the guy that provided you with legitimate data. You can go full paranoid conspiracy theory "ALL 99% PARSES ARE PADDING" but it still doesn't change the fact that it is legitimate data.

but you are aware that some ppls can and do cheese out dps with some mechanics like tricks of the trade or druid kindred spirits synergy in some raids setups so he is right about 99% parses being not that good representation of data

[Grable]

I was in a CN normal pug yesterday where we switched a lot of dps around (as people had to leave, the raid took a while) and on most boss fights we had 3 UH players right on top of dps meters.

[Tompal74]

^ The results so far after the 20% mastery nerf.[/QUOTE]

People that not playing DK is just some Trolls...
If you sort mythic kills 80% you have Feral Druids and mage at top. Unholy comes in at 83 and Druids around 85,3
So please stop trying to fool everyone.

Unholy DK is in a good place but we are not way over all classes. Go to frost mages side and support them for a buff instead. And its quite funny all that have all complaints isn´t even playing DK....

[Specialka]

People that not playing DK is just some Trolls...
If you sort mythic kills 80% you have Feral Druids and mage at top. Unholy comes in at 83 and Druids around 85,3
So please stop trying to fool everyone.

Unholy DK is in a good place but we are not way over all classes. Go to frost mages side and support them for a buff instead. And its quite funny all that have all complaints isn´t even playing DK....

Mythic kills are padded by the Huntsman "cheese" with Arcane Totm.

[Saltysquidoon]

but you are aware that some ppls can and do cheese out dps with some mechanics like tricks of the trade or druid kindred spirits synergy in some raids setups so he is right about 99% parses being not that good representation of data

Parses exactly right now are pretty much perfect for determining the true state of mythic dps (in a raid) since everyone is still progging. It's very unlikely guilds would be willing or able to do stuff like funnel buffs to someone to get them their number 1 parse while still wearing content.
Parses start to become a little less reliable when contents been on farm for a while and stupid shit like 20 fire mages happens.

[kosajk]

Parses exactly right now are pretty much perfect for determining the true state of mythic dps (in a raid) since everyone is still progging. It's very unlikely guilds would be willing or able to do stuff like funnel buffs to someone to get them their number 1 parse while still wearing content.
Parses start to become a little less reliable when contents been on farm for a while and stupid shit like 20 fire mages happens.

i would be not that sure ppls are different and guilds to, personally been like 7 expansions ago in guild where GM had everything raid could give him and he was always orange on WOL as warrior, progress or not :P
Not that hard to have 2 friendly rogues spamming tricks, and droid using covenant skill on someone :P

[Fatbeaverlol]

A 15% to 20% mastery nerf equates mathematically to a 3% to 5% overall nerf. The numbers are not spouted randomly. Which is not that bad considering unholy was a good 10% higher than the next spec.

Unholy is STILL top dps after the nerf. The gap just is not as large.

Not really I am getting outdpsed by Enh shamans, locks and sometimes monks that can play. ow ye and balance druids. Still my dps is fine. Only not when i have to run away or do mechanics.

[Lefrog]

Not really I am getting outdpsed by Enh shamans, locks and sometimes monks that can play. ow ye and balance druids. Still my dps is fine. Only not when i have to run away or do mechanics.

I agree with no longer being top in raids. I'm also almost never have top dps in mythic+ the mastery nerf really hurt our aoe shadow dmg as well.

The mastery nerf is a scaling nerf. I expect mid next tier to be middle of the pack because that 5-6% dmg loss will translate into 10%.

First xpac playing Unholy and I can tell you the most annoying thing for me is to be balanced around army. It means any single target fight without it, I'll be subpar.