Shadowlands Rogue PvP

[Nzembwamugumbwalchu]

Rogue

[With regional restarts] Reverberation (Kyrian Conduit) effectiveness reduced by 50% when engaged in combat with enemy players (was 30%).
[With regional restarts] Echoing Reprimand (Kyrian Ability) initial damage reduced by 50% when engaged in combat with enemy players.
Assassination
[With regional restarts] Nightstalker (Talent) increases damage dealt while Stealth is active by 25% (was 50%).

Subtlety
[With regional restarts] Cold Blood (PvP Talent) damage is now properly reduced by effects such as Versatility.
[With regional restarts] Nightstalker (Talent) increases damage dealt while Stealth or Shadow Dance is active by 8% when engaged in combat with enemy players (was 12%).
[With regional restarts] Shadow Blades now deals an additional 30% damage against enemy players (was 40%).

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OK ! i understand the covenant ability nerf plus conduit nerf - was criting 10-16k in pvp and thus 5-8k shadowblades, and assassination nightstalker envenom 20k crit, but if they nerfed that why nerf shadowblades again??? since your max shadowstrike will crit 3-4k, that`s a merely 1-2k shadowblades at max (full pvp gear 184) , maybe 5-6k if, if you get pve 220 from raid? and get that pvp talent for 100% dmg for 1 single shadowstrike in stealth which takes 10sec to build, this completely ruined shadowblades in pvp, the only big shadowblade came from echoing reprimand with reverberation, shadowblades itself is not overpowered at all, was a misunderstanding, blizzard should reverse shadowblades back to original 50% dmg, or they should just add shadowblades passive 50% shadow damage to shadowstrike against find weakness like eviscerate and remove shadowblades completely

to make it more clear for those who don't understand here are ~ numbers of a 184 (only pvp gear) and using all cds at once to buff it

covenant ability before any nerf:

4k ability + 2k conduit = 6k that crits for 9k & 4,5k shadowblades = 13,5k total damage

& after the nerf:

2k ability + 0,5k conduit = 2.5k that crits for 3,75k & 1,125k shadowblades = 4,875k total damage

not saying that using covenant ability alone without any buffs does less than 1k dmg

...meanwhile starsurge crits 10-20k, convoke spirits feral/balance kills you in 2sec, ww monk kills you 3sec, ret kills you 3sec, and many other classes still buged in pvp...

[shoegazing]

Rogue

[With regional restarts] Reverberation (Kyrian Conduit) effectiveness reduced by 50% when engaged in combat with enemy players (was 30%).
[With regional restarts] Echoing Reprimand (Kyrian Ability) initial damage reduced by 50% when engaged in combat with enemy players.
Assassination
[With regional restarts] Nightstalker (Talent) increases damage dealt while Stealth is active by 25% (was 50%).

Subtlety
[With regional restarts] Cold Blood (PvP Talent) damage is now properly reduced by effects such as Versatility.
[With regional restarts] Nightstalker (Talent) increases damage dealt while Stealth or Shadow Dance is active by 8% when engaged in combat with enemy players (was 12%).
[With regional restarts] Shadow Blades now deals an additional 30% damage against enemy players (was 40%).

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OK ! i understand the covenant ability nerf plus conduit nerf - was criting 10-16k in pvp and thus 5-8k shadowblades, and assassination nightstalker envenom 20k crit, but if they nerfed that why nerf shadowblades again??? since your max shadowstrike will crit 3-4k, that`s a merely 1-2k shadowblades at max (full pvp gear 184) , maybe 5-6k if, if you get pve 220 from raid? and get that pvp talent for 100% dmg for 1 single shadowstrike in stealth which takes 10sec to build, this completely ruined shadowblades in pvp, the only big shadowblade came from echoing reprimand with reverberation, shadowblades itself is not overpowered at all, was a misunderstanding, blizzard should reverse shadowblades back to original 50% dmg

The changes don't go far enough (as usual)

What they should have done is delete Shadow Blades entirely (along with Symbols of Death, and the pointless %dmg modifier on Dance itself) so that they can then tune Find Weakness and base Shadowstrike damage higher

Subtlety is the absolute last dps spec that should have a big 3min CD. I'm not saying CDs like Celestial Alignment, Ascendance, Recklessness, etc. don't have a place in the game, but the point is that it should be one burst cadence that some but not all specs fit into. Giving every spec a big 3min dmg CD is a total copout by the lazy devs.

[Eazy]

The nerf isn't that high. It mostly affect the rogues who chose Kyrian, while rest will be still fine in PvP.

What they should have done is delete Shadow Blades entirely (along with Symbols of Death, and the pointless %dmg modifier on Dance itself) so that they can then tune Find Weakness and base Shadowstrike damage higher.

I agree. Don't like the symbol of death and shadow blades at all.

[intenz]

The changes don't go far enough (as usual)

What they should have done is delete Shadow Blades entirely (along with Symbols of Death, and the pointless %dmg modifier on Dance itself) so that they can then tune Find Weakness and base Shadowstrike damage higher

Subtlety is the absolute last dps spec that should have a big 3min CD. I'm not saying CDs like Celestial Alignment, Ascendance, Recklessness, etc. don't have a place in the game, but the point is that it should be one burst cadence that some but not all specs fit into. Giving every spec a big 3min dmg CD is a total copout by the lazy devs.

100% correct.

But we know Blizzard will never do this, they are way too arrogant. Everything comes back to their god awful redesign of subtlety in legion and giving up on it would mean admitting that the previous devs were right.