Cosplay Socialists Should Run As Republicans

[minteK917]

No they’re really not. Pick any topic and the GOP will always be the worse party. The Dems might be cowardly fuckups but they don’t persistently do the wrong thing like the GOP does.

Literally said nothing. Both are the same fiscally. They spend the money in the same places, vote on the same budgets. I already explained why social issues dont go beyond omg brown people taking my jewbs. Neither party do or even have the power to fix most of the real issues especially the president.

[jonnysensible]

Trumps base is still non-college educated white males. They’re still part of the working class. The working class is not some magical creature that always votes for in their financial self interest. If that was the case, the GOP would’ve been forced to change years ago.

if i look at voting by income it seems to mostly be petty bourgeoisie who vote trump not working class who voted heavily for biden

white non college education small business owners, trump gained with people earning over 100k a year.

[Ivanstone]

if i look at voting by income it seems to mostly be petty bourgeoisie who vote trump not working class who voted heavily for biden

white non college education small business owners, trump gained with people earning over 100k a year.

The working class as a whole was won by Biden. A vast swathe of them (ie 44%) voted for Trump. That's 24 million people making under $50k per year voted for Trump.

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Literally said nothing. Both are the same fiscally. They spend the money in the same places, vote on the same budgets. I already explained why social issues dont go beyond omg brown people taking my jewbs. Neither party do or even have the power to fix most of the real issues especially the president.

Yet somehow only one party massively rams up the deficit to give tax cuts to people who don't need them. Reagan's tax cuts caused a recession, Bush's tax cuts did the same and Trump's were already causing problems.

They're not the same. Yes, the federal budget is largely fixed but 10% of it is not and fucking around with it can make or break an economy.

[Slybak]

Yet somehow only one party massively rams up the deficit to give tax cuts to people who don't need them. Reagan's tax cuts caused a recession, Bush's tax cuts did the same and Trump's were already causing problems.

They're not the same. Yes, the federal budget is largely fixed but 10% of it is not and fucking around with it can make or break an economy.

You have two parties of technological capital arranged in a fashion whereby important questions of basic political economy are off the table, creating an infinitely recurring tendency to channel all actually occurring politics into not just subcultural spectacle, which would be a bad enough trap, but a spectacle that masks a hyper-atomized, empty moralism that both tacitly permits and forgives wide-spread institutional failure.

In plain English: because people are stuck turning politics into this...

Just pointing out that I'm a better person than you!

... 300,000 of your countrymen are dead.

[Ivanstone]

You have two parties of technological capital arranged in a fashion whereby important questions of basic political economy are off the table, creating an infinitely recurring tendency to channel all actually occurring politics into not just subcultural spectacle, which would be a bad enough trap, but a spectacle that masks a hyper-atomized, empty moralism that both tacitly permits and forgives wide-spread institutional failure.

In plain English: because people are stuck turning politics into this...



... 300,000 of your countrymen are dead.

That's one way of looking at it. Its wrong though. The US is stuck in a lot of ways but it can almost always be traced back to the recalcitrance of one group: The GOP.

Do you really think "Your Both Parties Are The Same" bullshit led to the death of 300k people even though one party mostly tried a common sense response and the other told everyone to ignore it?

[Slybak]

That's one way of looking at it. Its wrong though. The US is stuck in a lot of ways but it can almost always be traced back to the recalcitrance of one group: The GOP.

The GOP are stuck in the same disaster cycle as everything else, including the two of us. That they are stuck in a marginally worse position in that cycle matters only to the extent that blaming them, and blindly throwing in with the Other Party of Technological Capital, might mitigate crises with some amount of luck. Not forestall them, to say nothing of prevention. We don't do that here. We don't because we can't, and we can't because there is no "we" to do it.

Do you really think "Your Both Parties Are The Same" bullshit led to the death of 300k people even though one party mostly tried a common sense response and the other told everyone to ignore it?

My governor is Andrew Cuomo. That he, or more precisely the politics he represents, is not as far along the curve of disaster as, say, Ron DeSantis, didn't prevent the deaths of 30,000 New Yorkers, including people I know. Because he's still on that curve, and the extent to which liberals fawned over him for months for the simple act of going on TV and being calm is evidence enough that they are stuck in their own empty spectacle.

To say that its not the same spectacle as a COVID denier or some weirdo QAnoner is ultimately neither here no there, because just like you and me those people don't have any power to intervene in multi-decade historical trends. No individual does. The best apparent option they, and you and I, have while operating in spectacle is act like some kind of cop, caught up in individually policing the behavior of other individuals. Looking along the horizon for the source of our problems instead of looking up, at the state of our institutions.

[Ivanstone]

My governor is Andrew Cuomo. That he, or more precisely the politics he represents, is not as far along the curve of disaster as, say, Ron DeSantis, didn't prevent the deaths of 30,000 New Yorkers, including people I know. Because he's still on that curve, and the extent to which liberals fawned over him for months for the simple act of going on TV and being calm is evidence enough that they are stuck in their own empty spectacle.

Cuomo is far from perfect. However, he had a huge crisis on his hands the full magnitude of which was not immediately known. For example, back in March I figured New York was going to get hit hard being a huge destination but Covid was being spread by European travellers probably as far back as January. On top of that alot of those deaths can be laid at the feet of Trump because his millions of New York state supporters actively tried to shirk Cuomo's actions.

De Santis by comparison is a dumpster fire. Not only did he do nothing he actively worked to make mitigation harder. And the worst part is De Santis is still an improvement over his predecessor.

These two examples are not even remotely equivalent. And you'll find more without trying. Go ahead criticize the Dems. They deserve it! But DO NOT say they are the same as the GOP. Its not even close.

[Milchshake]

I'm wondering, do the people who were stanning Josh Hawley all of 2 weeks ago ... have any buyers remorse?

On the other hand, Coach Pop needs to run for office.

Gregg Popovich’s pregame address:

[Mormolyce]

It's just Milkshake doing the scheduled periodic attack on everything left of Ronald Reagan thing.

The modern Democrats are to the right of Ronald Reagan, I think we need a new yardstick.

[Milchshake]

The ballad of Anthime Joseph Gionet. Seems like a lesson for people that put performance over policy.

"He first put a Bernie Sanders portrait on his desk, two former colleagues said. Then, he moved on to wearing MAGA hats..."


“His politics have been guided by platform metrics,” reflected Andrew Gauthier, who was a top video producer at BuzzFeed and later worked for Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s presidential campaign. “You always think that evil is going to come from movie villain evil, and then you’re like — oh no, evil can just start with bad jokes and nihilistic behavior that is fueled by positive reinforcement on various platforms.”

[NED funded]

These type of socialists are so weird

Never have I seen a group so mad at a party bc its members think differently. Yeah Manchin is not on board with the 2000$ stimulus, dude is from WV like what were you expecting???

[roboscorcher]

Honestly, if the fallout hitting the GOP this year is as big as it's expected to be, 2021 is the perfect year for DemSocs (Bernie supporters) to transform the GOP. Most GOP voters are lower income rural votes who have, in many cases, been voting against their own interests for years. Bernie in 2016 showed that some social policies are very popular with rural voters, as long as they aren't supported by an official Democrat.

Dems are bascially centrists, and Trump's legacy will be the destruction of the GOP. America needs to shift left, and the best way to do that is to transform the GOP into a party that is still about rural voters, but actually has social policies supporting them and the middle-lower class in general.

[Felya]

These type of socialists are so weird

Never have I seen a group so mad at a party bc its members think differently. Yeah Manchin is not on board with the 2000$ stimulus, dude is from WV like what were you expecting???

The issue is even deeper, since he is on board... He just listed covid as a priority above all else, then the rhetoric was spun from that...

[Endus]

Honestly, if the fallout hitting the GOP this year is as big as it's expected to be, 2021 is the perfect year for DemSocs (Bernie supporters) to transform the GOP. Most GOP voters are lower income rural votes who have, in many cases, been voting against their own interests for years. Bernie in 2016 showed that some social policies are very popular with rural voters, as long as they aren't supported by an official Democrat.

Dems are bascially centrists, and Trump's legacy will be the destruction of the GOP. America needs to shift left, and the best way to do that is to transform the GOP into a party that is still about rural voters, but actually has social policies supporting them and the middle-lower class in general.

Any party with a rural focus is basically doomed to remain irrelevant forever.

Rural America is only 20% of the population. If that's your primary focus, against the interests of the 80% of urban voters, you're never gonna win a national election.

[roboscorcher]

Any party with a rural focus is basically doomed to remain irrelevant forever.

Rural America is only 20% of the population. If that's your primary focus, against the interests of the 80% of urban voters, you're never gonna win a national election.

OK then, rural + suburban. Basically the current GOP demographic.

On another note, if the US government could transition away from a winner-take-all system, they could have 3+ parties, including a healthy rural-only party. They would never have control, but they could form coalitions with other parties to pass legislation. Pie-in-the-sky thinking, I know, but other countries have this already.

[Endus]

OK then, rural + suburban. Basically the current GOP demographic.

That's a division with essentially zero overlapping interests and concerns. Suburbia is fundamentally and irrevocably tied to the urban center.

[Milchshake]

Does it surprise anyone that Jimmy Dore completes the horseshoe and simps for Nazis?

[Gestopft]

Does it surprise anyone that Jimmy Dore completes the horseshoe and simps for Nazis?

I mean, no, but aren't there different strains of Boogaloo boys? Like some are white supremacists and some are basically hardcore libertarians?

[JohnBrown1917]

Does it surprise anyone that Jimmy Dore completes the horseshoe and simps for Nazis?

A far right chud turns out to be a nazi...


Yeah, great discovery.

[Machismo]

I mean, no, but aren't there different strains of Boogaloo boys? Like some are white supremacists and some are basically hardcore libertarians?

This is actually true, to a very small degree.

However, since those supposed libertarians are throwing their lot in with Nazis, it shows where their priorities actually are... and it's all about the 2nd Amendment. Everything else is far less important.

Edit: It's really the same argument many of the Proud Boys try and use. "They cannot possibly be racist, because they like conservative Latinos. They're not Nazis, they love gay people." It's all window dressing to hide their fascist ways. I have yet to see a Proud Boy or Boogaloo dipshit who isn't devoutly anti-immigration.