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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post

    FFXIV is hardly a masterpiece when it comes to character growth. Also, I lost parts of my Toolkit coming into the latest FFXIV expac with their ability prune, so that's just plain disingenuous yourself.
    Maybe, but it doesn't have to be to outclass the travesty that is current retail WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Fluff talk. The next financial report is coming and TBC isn't there yet to make it look better than it is. Expecting Shadowlands to do better than the last expansions, especially with the massive delay of 9.1, is pretty optimistic.

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    I don't agree that Shadowlands has less systems as it's just not the case. Shadowlands has a ton of systems build into just one system that are mostly useless or just not fun. That's the biggest problem here. You as a Warlock are not using your Covenant ability -> design fail, as your signature Covenant ability should be mandatory in your rotation. I already wrote that in my other post, so not going to repeat myself here.

    Systems that are useless don't help anyone. People will just leave them alone and the development time is pretty much wasted. Warfronts come to my mind which had the same fate, Islands not so much as Torghast is basically exactly that.

    Legions had systems, but did (most of) them better. And they were more fun and had more purpose than all the mini games right now. That's a point we don't have to disagree one, but Legion for sure is the more well-received expansion overall (yes, I can already say that). Legion had its problems (AP grind in the beginning, random legendaries), but where it succeeded, it was excellent.
    All the systems that Shadowlands have are just re-used systems from past expansions. Nothing new. Torghast? Is just a scenario, Mission table again, Vault used to be a chest in BFA, Soulbind is just passives with a selection screen using Garrison panels and Anima (You like it or not) is just Azerithe.....again, just this time is used to upgrade Class Hall sets. Legendaries are even worst now, because you depend on getting the special effect you want from certain place and still YOU HAVE TO create the item with Soul Ash to craft it.

    I dont know why the OP called this "Rapidly Climbing the Ladder in Popularity", because i dont see other friends of mine playing it. Instead, they moved to ElderScrolls Online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Maybe, but it doesn't have to be to outclass the travesty that is current retail WoW.
    By the way, i have been playing lately Paladin, Deathknight Hunter and Warrior, and i feel that these classes did not change at all since BFA. They only gave use useless spells from other specs just to call it "diverse", but it actually make it confusing. I don't like at all and i think these changes are just lazy

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    I must be in the minority here as this is the first expansion that I have stopped playing since starting in 1.7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goge View Post
    Welp, this thread didn't age very well did it?
    Aged like fine milk.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences." -- Robert Louis Stevenson
    And Yiskah held her, as light and life faded, until there was nothing left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Aged like fine milk.
    You let milk age?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    You let milk age?
    I do. I call it cheese. There's this crazy dude over in Tamriel who can't get enough of the stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    I do. I call it cheese. There's this crazy dude over in Tamriel who can't get enough of the stuff.
    Btw....i think that guy already left the company right?.....(for real, im not sure if he left or not, since so many of the original devs already left the game time ago...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    Btw....i think that guy already left the company right?.....(for real, im not sure if he left or not, since so many of the original devs already left the game time ago...)
    Yeah, he left. But the guy who took his place has the same face and even looks like him,so it's all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    You let milk age?
    Not intentionally.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences." -- Robert Louis Stevenson
    And Yiskah held her, as light and life faded, until there was nothing left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Yeah, he left. But the guy who took his place has the same face and even looks like him,so it's all good.
    Well, now we know why they dont have money for Devs.....THEY INVESTED IN CLONING TECHNOLOGY!

    Now, the real problem here is both the endgame and the lore of Shadowlands. I don't know if you guys agree with me, but it doesn't look like Shadowlands is going to last past "Chains of Dominations" + "Another Patch". It looks like this expansion is going to be a short one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    Well, now we know why they dont have money for Devs.....THEY INVESTED IN CLONING TECHNOLOGY!

    Now, the real problem here is both the endgame and the lore of Shadowlands. I don't know if you guys agree with me, but it doesn't look like Shadowlands is going to last past "Chains of Dominations" + "Another Patch". It looks like this expansion is going to be a short one.
    I'm hoping to see way more from datamining PTR than they talked about at Blizzconline. If 9.1 is pretty much what we've already seen, WoW is a dead game, at least to me, for the remainder of 2021 assuming a 9.2 wouldn't release until Dec/Jan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro9ue View Post
    I'm hoping to see way more from datamining PTR than they talked about at Blizzconline. If 9.1 is pretty much what we've already seen, WoW is a dead game, at least to me, for the remainder of 2021 assuming a 9.2 wouldn't release until Dec/Jan.
    So what's your poison till 10.0? GW2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incitatus View Post
    I must be in the minority here as this is the first expansion that I have stopped playing since starting in 1.7.
    I have played since vanilla and the only other xpac I really didnt play was WoD. I got the same feeling now as back then. Really great at the first couple of months, then quickly down the shitter.

    Luckily theres no reason to actually play SL right now, unless you want to get really bored and hate the game. Theres nothing there and we are months away from 9.1. I'll take a longer break, return for 9.1 and see whats up. If its bad, a 1 month sub is enough.

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    SL started strong: that's fact
    But also fact it is starting a bleeding wheel with the obvious long drought we are facing
    The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
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    Quote Originally Posted by ro9ue View Post
    I'm hoping to see way more from datamining PTR than they talked about at Blizzconline. If 9.1 is pretty much what we've already seen, WoW is a dead game, at least to me, for the remainder of 2021 assuming a 9.2 wouldn't release until Dec/Jan.
    So if next patch will bring new world content, more story, 10-boss raid, 8-boss dungeon that will last ~6 months WoW is dead game for you. Cool story bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    So if next patch will bring new world content, more story, 10-boss raid, 8-boss dungeon that will last ~6 months WoW is dead game for you. Cool story bro.
    The next .1 patch comes when .2 or even .3 should be coming out. Never before has .0 patch lasted for two thirds of a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    So if next patch will bring new world content, more story, 10-boss raid, 8-boss dungeon that will last ~6 months WoW is dead game for you. Cool story bro.
    Well if he finds the world and the story uninteresting, that won't hold him for long. Nor should it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    The next .1 patch comes when .2 or even .3 should be coming out. Never before has .0 patch lasted for two thirds of a year.
    This.

    It's like end of WoD but this is beginning...I disliked BFA less than this...
    At least BFA had awesome zones, main cities, best world pvp since vanilla.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    there appear to be a whole lot of correlated reactions to this expansion among the players.
    and there never was an expansion that didnt have that... everything ever added to wow (or tbh any other game, or games themselves) always had a lot of people whining about it, there is literaly nothing in wow that was either universaly loved or universaly hated...
    and if you think you know better what people like than blizz bcs you read forums like this you better think again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    I want to be watching when the shit fully hits the fan at Blizzard.
    people are waiting for that since the begining of wow, still didnt happen, and personaly i think its waaaay too far in the future to actualy care about now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauko View Post
    And its similar with many other things in wow. Artifact weapons, Azerite gear, Soulbinds... Stop inventing the wheel every year... Improve what you have.
    and then people will complain how the game is stale, and how they dont add new things...
    look at classic how it went on forums from mentality "no changes" through "some changes should be fine" to "why no classic+?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Well if he finds the world and the story uninteresting, that won't hold him for long. Nor should it.
    Nah, most likely he sets himself up for disappointment ("If next patch will do stuff what typical patch do, GAME IS DEAD FOR ME"), but will play&complain anyway. Hence my comment.

    And everyone and their mothers knows patch will be late, you're not discovering America guys. It's not end of the world if more people take break or play some Classic.

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