View Poll Results: Is Shadowlands good?

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  1. #701
    Quote Originally Posted by Kel_Sceptic View Post
    Well, yeah, ofc That was the entire point of that, since if you do ONLY PVP, you can't match the ones doing only PvE. And you need to be really good at it to be even close.
    That was the entire point I was making. That it sounds so simple "all you need is 1800+ rating". But that is so fk hard to get in Shadowlands, at least atm in this season.
    Fair point. RBGs are pretty decent for pushing rating for those perhaps inexperienced in arena, but that does still requires you have an experienced shotcaller.

  2. #702
    Quote Originally Posted by Toybox View Post
    Fair point. RBGs are pretty decent for pushing rating for those perhaps inexperienced in arena, but that does still requires you have an experienced shotcaller.
    The best way to view things, is to just start opening tabs for the first 10-20 Mythic Raiding guilds and open the first 20 players from each guild, you will have a big surprise as to how many got PvP items, and if they do, how many items do they have indeed.

    If people would look up stuff for themself, they will not assume wrong views. I refer here at those calling "easy gearing in pvp 1800+".


    If indeed there would have been so easy to gear from PvP to skip HC raiding, then we would have seen loads of mythic players wearing at least half their gear from PvP. But you might see 1-2 items, hell maybe 4 from those that actually love to PvP aswell. And as a PvE player that is geared in HC raiding, it is easy to get to 1800rating then as a PvP player that really starts at ilvl 187-190.

    LE: Hell, I wonder if this is the exact reason I've reached 1900rating in BFA in the first place. Since there were no PvP vendors and I was forced to do Raiding and M+ and was ilvl 470.
    Last edited by Kel_Sceptic; 2021-01-16 at 06:36 PM.

  3. #703
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    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    You call a 7/10 expansion praise-worthy and comparable to MoP and WotLK?
    For a start, yes. I pinned WoTLK and MoP the same rating when they came out. SL could've been lower, had half of the shit I mentioned been requirements, and not optional. But, because Blizzard finally figured wtf fun means, they didn't make the dumb shit requirements, let alone incredibly irritating. Even the Maw's pretty fuckin' optional.

  4. #704
    Worst expansion I've played so far. It was fun for a couple of weeks. All forms of pve content are extremely unrewarding, the game is full of daily/weekly chores. WoW just keeps getting worse as times goes on.

  5. #705
    I get a very strong unfinished vibe. Not buggy and untested, like BFA, but rushed, half done. I keep finding small things that are inconsistent, or oddly abrupt, or even just not thought out. That never really happened, at least not as obvious and omnipresent.

  6. #706
    SHadowlands is absolutely great if you are not a whiny bitch like 90% here.

  7. #707
    No. I've been playing nonstop since Wrath and this is the first time I've been willing to let my sub run out. Loot drought is atrocious. I did 5 heroics the other day and all I got was gold. Not even anima. Just gold. Torghast is boring as hell. The zones are ugly and a pain to traverse. The lack of a flightwhistle makes doing world quests even more of a chore than past expansions. The story is utter garbage.

    I'd rather play through WoD again.

  8. #708
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    No. I've been playing nonstop since Wrath and this is the first time I've been willing to let my sub run out. Loot drought is atrocious. I did 5 heroics the other day and all I got was gold. Not even anima. Just gold. Torghast is boring as hell. The zones are ugly and a pain to traverse. The lack of a flightwhistle makes doing world quests even more of a chore than past expansions. The story is utter garbage.

    I'd rather play through WoD again.
    Same and seeing the same comment from a ton of players, "letting my sub run down"

    Ive been playing since wrath and have never felt so lost, the game is strictly casual/social now

    back in the day it wouldnt be too hard to find a player with consistent 90+ logs, it was quite common, now you never ever see them, check someons raid logs there best log is a blue, and they are entering your group talking like they are something.

    I am so done with the game not because of the content but because of how bad the general community has became, its now unfashionable to be good and "tryhard" i never took that insult as a bad thing, i rarely ever seen it, being a casual now that was an insult, not anymore!!! EVERYONE is happy to be called a casual and tryhards are very rare and you barely see them anymore.

    Community has took a HUGE swing in favour of the social players that play to socialise with there virtual buddies from 600miles away that they have never even shared a coffee with. world of socialcraft. i put this huge swing down to the fact that blizzard has progressively made te game easier and easier causing the better players to stop playing (not challenging) and the bad players to falsely begin to think they are something by logging in 6 hours a week and having everything gifted to them.

  9. #709
    Playing since classic. My favorite expansions are TBC & BFA, I cancelled my subscription before SL launch. The shadowlands concept is so bad, that it broke the entire WOW fantasy for me. A WOD 2 would have been better.

    BFA was the biggest effort and best expansion, since a very long time, I wandered around in cities to discover things, I liked the stories, I played so much. It’s sad that it got trashed by the toxic wow community.
    I also cannot comprehend why legion was so well received. I guess I’m not a 16 year old that idolizes big pe... I mean big demonhunters that have given up everything...
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    Something safe for the picture frame?"

  10. #710
    Shadowlands is one of the or the worst expansion imo. Only weekly chest or mythic raiding matters with gear. PvP gear way too easy to get. Way too much mandatory to do. They hate alts. Renown catchup sucks. Torghast grind is horrible.

  11. #711
    As someone who was extremely negative towards the game before release, I was wrong, and I’m happy to say that. I haven’t played an expansion this much since Wrath, I’ve even beaten out my time spent on Legion. The game is great imo, but this is coming from someone who is in a semi-hardcore raiding guild. I have a team to run mythics with, we’re doing prog in Mythic Nath and I run RBGs and arena whenever. I have two 60s that I’m actively working on but I have 5 60s in total.

    My casual friends who play the game solo have all mostly teetered off, it’s the people that have dedicated groups that are sticking around. The Great Vault incentivizes getting out there and doing content with your friends, which is good for the game long term.

    My only gripes are with the conduit energy system and how there doesn’t seem to be a clear vision for conduits, my warrior requires me to swap conduits anytime I want to really optimize my performance, but there are plenty of clases with fire and forget conduits.

    So yeah, it’s good. Solo players may not enjoy it because their progression path is scuffed but I think they’re playing the wrong genre tbh

  12. #712
    I dont see why its any better than BFA at this point tbh.

  13. #713
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    In some way yeah its better cos they brough back some lore chars in game.
    But overall its too much RNG dependant game on everything. Bad balance in pve and pvp, poor class design and low upgrade compared to bfa.
    Its ok to timesink but other games can offer more fun and better content, like ESO or even Neverwinter which is p2w in some scale
    From all things I've lost I miss my mind the most.

  14. #714
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormwolf64 View Post
    I dont see why its any better than BFA at this point tbh.
    Better classes, better entry level raid, a lot less grind expected of the players, relevant PvP rewards, more collectables. At least in my opinion

  15. #715
    Quote Originally Posted by odamienskii View Post
    Same and seeing the same comment from a ton of players, "letting my sub run down"

    Ive been playing since wrath and have never felt so lost, the game is strictly casual/social now

    back in the day it wouldnt be too hard to find a player with consistent 90+ logs, it was quite common, now you never ever see them, check someons raid logs there best log is a blue, and they are entering your group talking like they are something.

    I am so done with the game not because of the content but because of how bad the general community has became, its now unfashionable to be good and "tryhard" i never took that insult as a bad thing, i rarely ever seen it, being a casual now that was an insult, not anymore!!! EVERYONE is happy to be called a casual and tryhards are very rare and you barely see them anymore.

    Community has took a HUGE swing in favour of the social players that play to socialise with there virtual buddies from 600miles away that they have never even shared a coffee with. world of socialcraft. i put this huge swing down to the fact that blizzard has progressively made te game easier and easier causing the better players to stop playing (not challenging) and the bad players to falsely begin to think they are something by logging in 6 hours a week and having everything gifted to them.
    Yeah I'm not in the same corner as you. I'm actually happy the game is more accessible. My issue is that the content is bland and the changes to gear drops in high end activity is horrendous. Tryhards are a bane on the community and I'm glad they're leaving.

  16. #716
    I already had a few inputs on this topic, starting with a very positive and hopeful comment with launch, slowly facing the reality of the expansion. As a non-raider non m+-er, stritcly outdoor player I've stopped logging in about 2 days ago. I really want to play and upgrade buildings but when I log in, I see 2 100+ anima wqs, I see a couple of ilevel 158 gear poppig up with renown 24 (seriously wtf is with that?) and even my strictly outdoor gear is now ilevel 190-197 and there goes my motivation. Torghast calling, brrrrr. And I need 6k anima to upgrade my building, and 7k on alts as well. It also seems like high anima wqs mostly pop up on wednesday/thursday. Then it drops down by the end of the week. Maybe an elite WQ calling gives 250, but that's it. :/

  17. #717
    Quote Originally Posted by Lei View Post
    I already had a few inputs on this topic, starting with a very positive and hopeful comment with launch, slowly facing the reality of the expansion. As a non-raider non m+-er, stritcly outdoor player I've stopped logging in about 2 days ago. I really want to play and upgrade buildings but when I log in, I see 2 100+ anima wqs, I see a couple of ilevel 158 gear poppig up with renown 24 (seriously wtf is with that?) and even my strictly outdoor gear is now ilevel 190-197 and there goes my motivation. Torghast calling, brrrrr. And I need 6k anima to upgrade my building, and 7k on alts as well. It also seems like high anima wqs mostly pop up on wednesday/thursday. Then it drops down by the end of the week. Maybe an elite WQ calling gives 250, but that's it. :/
    Seems the game really hates you

    But tbh, even though the game has all those systems you want to play in it, they are made just like additions to the whole package.

    All the fancy tech a car has, are there to help you on your journey, they don't teleport you to your destination. From my PoV, there are way better games that don't have a monthly fee and gated content, and not MMOs, were you could lose yourself.

    I got WQ that give in total ~1k anima or more per day.


  18. #718
    Quote Originally Posted by Kel_Sceptic View Post
    Seems the game really hates you

    But tbh, even though the game has all those systems you want to play in it, they are made just like additions to the whole package.

    All the fancy tech a car has, are there to help you on your journey, they don't teleport you to your destination. From my PoV, there are way better games that don't have a monthly fee and gated content, and not MMOs, were you could lose yourself.

    I got WQ that give in total ~1k anima or more per day.

    Well, if you're up for doing slow wqs (compared to Legions and some of BfA's "kill this one dude standing alone") for 35-70 anima, suit yourself. I'm not doing those.
    I mean what's that in Ardenweald? The collect 20 weapons or the other one, the supplies for buff thing? 35 anima for 8 souls and 12 kills in Revendreth? (I think that is the one there) No thanks. So what you see there that's 350 anima for me.
    Last edited by Lei; 2021-01-18 at 12:50 AM.

  19. #719
    Quote Originally Posted by Kel_Sceptic View Post
    Seems the game really hates you

    But tbh, even though the game has all those systems you want to play in it, they are made just like additions to the whole package.

    All the fancy tech a car has, are there to help you on your journey, they don't teleport you to your destination. From my PoV, there are way better games that don't have a monthly fee and gated content, and not MMOs, were you could lose yourself.

    I got WQ that give in total ~1k anima or more per day.

    1k from WQ is nice but it rarely EVER happens. The most I've gotten in one day was like....maybe 500.

  20. #720
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    1k from WQ is nice but it rarely EVER happens. The most I've gotten in one day was like....maybe 500.
    Thats why I made that pic now, live, to show how many Anima can be farmed for me now, no resets hours. And as it says: 875.
    If Anima is your purpuse, you can get 10k per week doing all pvp+pve+wq. Else, doing just WQ, you will prob make 5-6k.

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