View Poll Results: Do you believe in psychics, extraterrestrial life, time travel, other universes?

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  • Yes, I believe in all of them

    16 12.60%
  • No, I don't believe in any of them

    23 18.11%
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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalontas View Post
    The best proof that time travel doesn't exist?

    Stephen Hawking once organized a party for time travelers. But he only announced it after the event. If there were any time travelers, surely they'd have gone to this now famous event.
    Who would want to go to a party with just Steven Hawking that according to history nobody else showed up to? You really going to waste all the resources required to time travel just to go to probably the lamest party in existence?

  2. #42
    Life on other worlds, most likely yes; the others, no.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuor View Post
    I believe in alien life somewhere in the universe, i don't believe in intersteller travels.

    Parallel universe is something plausable to science, if the experts say its possible, who am i to argue with them?

    I don't belive in psych stuff.
    Multiple universes is just a shitty way to explain why the measurement of quantum mechanics seems so random. So their easy way of writing it off is just to say that every time it's measured, another universe exists where the result is the other result. I'll add that it's not widely accepted, and there are a lot of scientific theories that are whack, but that's all they are, theories.

    In reality that makes no sense, it's really arbitrary. There's just a lot of factors involved that we don't actually know.

    It's kind of like, if you were some observing being that had no concept of what determines gender, if you checked the sex of someone and found that person is female. "Oh the explanation must be that in another universe that person is male!" It seems like a random 50% chance. But there's a lot of factors that went into how that person is female that you don't understand, a lot of history to that person's existence just as there probably is with particles that we are yet to understand.

    About extraterrestrial life, it absolutely does exist, the biggest question is where it is and to what extremes can it exist.
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  4. #44
    None of them.
    Time travel like shown in movies can't exist because if time is infinite, there would be infinite amount of time for time travel to be discovered and the present would be full of infinite amounts of time travelers. If it's possible, you can maybe travel back into a new universe that is similar only but even then, say you traveled into an alternate 1970, it would mean the matter that makes up your body and your time travel machine would have to basically appear out of nowhere and that alone would break several laws of physics.

    Extraterrestrial life.. primitive single celled, I wouldn't be too surprised if we ever find some. Higher life, like animals or plants even is unlikely. Other intelligent life probably doesn't exist in our galaxy or even anywhere near our galaxy. If it did, we'd see some evidence of it unless for some reason it's doomed to never evolve past type 0.

    Psychics. If it was real, it's really useful. Animals would have evolved to use it more and we'd see more evidence of it.

    Other universes. It's not a matter of belief. They're likely though .. either that or a creator Otherwise it's one hell of a coincidence that our universe has just the right laws to be stable and was able to create us.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Amarys View Post
    None of them.
    Time travel like shown in movies can't exist because if time is infinite, there would be infinite amount of time for time travel to be discovered and the present would be full of infinite amounts of time travelers. If it's possible, you can maybe travel back into a new universe that is similar only but even then, say you traveled into an alternate 1970, it would mean the matter that makes up your body and your time travel machine would have to basically appear out of nowhere and that alone would break several laws of physics.

    Extraterrestrial life.. primitive single celled, I wouldn't be too surprised if we ever find some. Higher life, like animals or plants even is unlikely. Other intelligent life probably doesn't exist in our galaxy or even anywhere near our galaxy. If it did, we'd see some evidence of it unless for some reason it's doomed to never evolve past type 0.

    Psychics. If it was real, it's really useful. Animals would have evolved to use it more and we'd see more evidence of it.

    Other universes. It's not a matter of belief. They're likely though .. either that or a creator Otherwise it's one hell of a coincidence that our universe has just the right laws to be stable and was able to create us.
    On the universe thing,you are thinking about it completly backwards,its not about it being a coincidence that the universe has just the right laws for us to exist,its that life adapted around it,if the universe was different,life would be different or not at all,even on earth we see all kinds of life adapted to different enviroments,underwater is the most extreme side of it,when conditions arent good,they go extinct,more that 99% of all spcecies that have ever lived are gone,we are living on a graveyard

    think of it this way,if it rains and there is a hole,and a body of water forms in that hole,would the body of water think that the hole exists specialy for it to exist in it?

  6. #46
    I wouldn't place Psychics, time travel or alternate universes with alien life.

    It's pretty fudgin egotistical to think Earth is the only planet with life on it, let alone intelligent life. It's like saying you think the very bottom of the ocean has no biological life at all, none. It's arrogant to a degree that it shouldn't need to be explained. Buuuuuut!!.... The possible number of stars, then the possible number of planets around those stars, then the planets that don't have stars but are still capable of sustaining life that we don't know is capable....the list goes on and on and on and on. There's A planet out there that's exactly like Earth that we will (thankfully) never be able to reach.

    Could time travel exist? Sure. Could other universes exist? Sure. Could super human abilities that allow sight into alternate times or into alternate "realms"? Sure.

    Are any of those more possible than life on other planets? Not in my opinion. Life on other planets is something that could logically occur. Even if it's just dolphin people *eeekeeekeeking* at each other while raising dolphin families on a planet that's entirely covered in water (except for Mt. Neverbeenclimbed, Until one day....)
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  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    On the universe thing,you are thinking about it completly backwards,its not about it being a coincidence that the universe has just the right laws for us to exist,its that life adapted around it,if the universe was different,life would be different or not at all,even on earth we see all kinds of life adapted to different enviroments,underwater is the most extreme side of it,when conditions arent good,they go extinct,more that 99% of all spcecies that have ever lived are gone,we are living on a graveyard

    think of it this way,if it rains and there is a hole,and a body of water forms in that hole,would the body of water think that the hole exists specialy for it to exist in it?
    Well this is what I meant actually. If there was only one, it would be a huge coincidence that the only universe had the right conditions and laws unless a Creator made it. If there are many universes though, then it's less of a coincidence, we just happen to live in one that has the right conditions while the others are just barren or self destruct immediately.

    As for the life adapting part, try to adapt to an universe where a number is 1% off and the entire thing just collapses into a black hole immediately or where matter can't form at all or gravity wont allow stars and planets form at all. If you go mess with these laws, you wouldn't just get a slightly different universe, you'd most likely destroy it completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blankfaced View Post
    It's pretty fudgin egotistical to think Earth is the only planet with life on it, let alone intelligent life.
    The universe is what? 13 billion years old. Earth is about 4.5billion years old and has had the right conditions for billions of years. I'd say intelligent life is pretty darn unlikely. Intelligence is just not that practical or valued in evolution.

    Another good reason to say there is no intelligent life out there is, well just look up. Humanity is only like 40k years old at most. It's also fairly reasonable to say that in the next 10-20 hundred years we will at the very least have colonized other bodies in the solar system and in 100k or more spread out. If intelligent life was even slightly common, they would have had billions of years to do it. Build Dyson spheres, altered things, left traces, sent out radio waves. Yet we see nothing.

    There are only 2 reasonable explanations. 1) Intelligent life is super rare and we're it. 2) Something wipes it out every time before it evolves into type 1-2 and becomes immune to extinction.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Amarys View Post
    Well this is what I meant actually. If there was only one, it would be a huge coincidence that the only universe had the right conditions and laws unless a Creator made it. If there are many universes though, then it's less of a coincidence, we just happen to live in one that has the right conditions while the others are just barren or self destruct immediately.

    As for the life adapting part, try to adapt to an universe where a number is 1% off and the entire thing just collapses into a black hole immediately or where matter can't form at all or gravity wont allow stars and planets form at all. If you go mess with these laws, you wouldn't just get a slightly different universe, you'd most likely destroy it completely.

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    The universe is what? 13 billion years old. Earth is about 4.5billion years old and has had the right conditions for billions of years. I'd say intelligent life is pretty darn unlikely. Intelligence is just not that practical or valued in evolution.

    Another good reason to say there is no intelligent life out there is, well just look up. Humanity is only like 40k years old at most. It's also fairly reasonable to say that in the next 10-20 hundred years we will at the very least have colonized other bodies in the solar system and in 100k or more spread out. If intelligent life was even slightly common, they would have had billions of years to do it. Build Dyson spheres, altered things, left traces, sent out radio waves. Yet we see nothing.

    There are only 2 reasonable explanations. 1) Intelligent life is super rare and we're it. 2) Something wipes it out every time before it evolves into type 1-2 and becomes immune to extinction.
    In regards to the inteligent life thing,its posible that if there are very advanced lifeforms out there,they could simply be to far away,maybe we are all just prisoners to our local solar systems,and cant expand because of the distance it would take to find similarly hospitable planets,many issues prevent that like the speed of travel,lifespans etc,or even the fact that it may not be worth it to venture out to far

  9. #49
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    The only thing listed that I don't believe or even think is possible is time travel. The others seem much more likely and even an inevitability in the case of other life in the universe. I've never understood how people can believe that Earth is the only planet capable of advanced life in the entire universe. There is so much out there in our own galaxy let alone the universe at large. To think we are somehow special seems like a very arrogant human thing. And honestly if we are the only life then that fucking sucks lol.

  10. #50
    Psychics are a hard no. Anyone that had any psychic ability would be huge and many people that claim to be psychics have been proven to be con artists.

    Extraterrestrial life is a hard yes. We'll never seen any in our lifetime, the vastness of space and how we travel it makes it impossible. One day possibly though.

    Time Travel in the normal sense of jumping into a machine and going forward or backward is impossible. But gravity can distort time, the closer you get to a blackhole the slower time goes relative for you. So if you wanted to jump many years into the future, just go near a blackhole. While it maybe a couple days for you, decades could have possibly passed elsewhere. So time travel, in theory, does exist. Just not backwards, only forwards.

    Other universes is extremely tricky cause nothing has been proved and theories have nothing to stand on. I'd like to think of a universe in one of two ways and they both could technically go together as well.
    The fabric of space could literally be just that, the universe on a large "fabric" laid out. With other universes separate but layered on each other. Going to another universe would just need to be able to break the fabric of space to go onto the next.
    Blackholes could potentially be gateways to other universes. Even possibly be the thing that leads to the other fabrics. But it's all speculation, I won't believe it until there is something to go off of, but I'm saying there's a chance of other universes.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by OwenBurton View Post
    You don't need to take this entirely seriously. But just out of curiosity, do you personally believe in psychics, the possibility of extraterrestrial life, time travel, the existence of other alternate universes? During the Cold War, the Americans and Soviets spent millions on psychic espionage programs and trying to monitor potential signs of extraterrestrial life (there are even archives of their activities released online), and time travel and other universes also seem to be theoretically possible via science, though this remains highly controversial.

    https://slate.com/technology/2017/03...s-in-1984.html

    What do you personally think? Are there things in our reality which we cannot explain?
    Both time and space travel seem unlikely to me, as the question arises: where are the travellers? Many reasons have been proposed for space travel, but ultimately it seems to me like it might suffer from the same difficulty as time travel: Simply unfeasible on any serious scale.
    Both might be bypassed through alternate universes and whatnot, but frankly even if they exist the same problems would apply: Unreachable by any technology.

    People tend to place a lot of hope into technology, but do so to such an extent that they seem to forget that it is still limited by reality.

    So, my thoughts, in order:
    (Noteworthy/intelligent) Extraterrestrial life: Very likely, unreachable however, but perhaps communication will be possible.
    Time travel: Impossible regardless of level of technology.
    Alternate universes: Don't know, but i am unsure how this would be relevant to us beyond being useful as a bit of theory to explain "real" things in our universe.
    Psychics: People emit stuff when they do stuff, scents, (infrared) light, sounds, etcetera. The brain emits stuff too as it is active, perhaps those things can do minor things, or perhaps can be picked up by sensors. And since we stack millions of people way too close to eachother in cities all that brain energy might be able to affect something too i suppose (i mean if something we know exists "does nothing" it'd be more surprising than if it does do something). But nothing close to the stuff generally attributed to psychics i'd assume. Perhaps if we advance really far we can create a sort of "psychic" mood reader to crudely decipher the accumulated mental disturbances created by i.e. a large crowd somewhere. For the rest: Foresight and that sorta stuff is usually related to as-of-yet poorly understood parts of actual intelligence (as opposed to AI) as the mind tends to be able to handle far larger datasets more fluidly, it's just for the specialised mental shovelwork that computers seem impressive. Simply put: some people are smarter than they give themselves credit for, and as such might "see" some things coming.
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  12. #52
    Rather than opinion, figured I'd just give information.

    Things we know don't exist: psychics
    Things we expect do exist: extraterrestrial life, other universes
    Things that we know do exist : time travel

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  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    Rather than opinion, figured I'd just give information.
    Things we know don't exist: psychics
    Things we expect do exist: extraterrestrial life, other universes
    Things that we know do exist : time travel
    Still opinion.
    Things that don't exist yet, or don't exist because you don't believe doesn't mean they never will.
    To be certain of nonexistence is to know for certain what will ever be possible for existing. And humans are barely self-aware, I can't imagine the hubris to make such an invalud claim to know what can ever exist and can't in this reality or any reality.

  14. #54
    I also believe in existence. Not in fake things that I don't see anymore.

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    Psychics: No. I've seen no credible evidence that the brain has those sort of powers. I don't think true telepathy, telekinesis, etc. is possible, though with technology and medical advances I think we could see "wireless" brain interface devices that could let you exert "psychic" control over things other than your own physical body. If we join our minds with our information networks, we will effectively become psychic.

    Extraterrestrial life: Yes. With the vastness of space and the abundance of life on our own planet I think it would be naive and egotistical to assume that life is somehow a unique property of Earth. While I think the majority of alien species would probably be comparatively primitive, there's also certainly the possibility for civilizations far more advanced than our own. I absolutely do not believe we've been contacted by intelligent alien life. Any species capable of interstellar travel would be so much more advanced than us that I don't think they'd have any interest in fucking with us. We'd be like insects to them.

    Time travel: Yes, but only forward, and not in any truly meaningful way. Time is relative, after all. I won't discount the possibility that species could perceive time differently from the way we do, but I'm pretty ignorant on the subject and it doesn't seem terribly likely to me as, as far as I know, nothing on our planet has evolved such multi-dimensional perception.

    Other universes: Maybe. If so, I don't think it's like people imagine where there are different realities for all the different possibilities they can imagine. Any potential alternate realities would still likely be governed by physics and probability. You can imagine things that aren't and cannot ever be possible. I think what's probably more likely is simulation theory, in which case there are likely many different simulations of reality, and what we're experiencing is actually a lower fidelity recreation of reality, with limitations that we will never truly be able to comprehend let alone surpass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    the fact that it may not be worth it to venture out to far
    I fully believe that simulation will be our final frontier and that exploration will fall to the wayside.

    We are already creating more compelling fictional worlds than anything we are likely to ever find in reality.

    I don't know that we'll ever literally transcend our flesh, but I don't think there's any reason to believe we can't eventually create simulations that approximate reality closely enough for us to give up on reality. In which case, why try to leave the solar system in search of some alien paradise when we can simply enter a paradise of our own design?

    We could create realities where time travel, psychic powers, and all the other amazing things we can imagine are possible. That's infinitely more compelling than finding some protozoa on an icy moon in a distant solar system.
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  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Still opinion.
    Incorrect, you may have missed the bit I stated it was information - because it is.

    You don't need to worry about belief or non-belief in the realm of science. Reality is all that matters.

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  17. #57
    One of these things is very much not like the others.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    Psychics: No. I've seen no credible evidence that the brain has those sort of powers. I don't think true telepathy, telekinesis, etc. is possible, though with technology and medical advances I think we could see "wireless" brain interface devices that could let you exert "psychic" control over things other than your own physical body. If we join our minds with our information networks, we will effectively become psychic.

    Extraterrestrial life: Yes. With the vastness of space and the abundance of life on our own planet I think it would be naive and egotistical to assume that life is somehow a unique property of Earth. While I think the majority of alien species would probably be comparatively primitive, there's also certainly the possibility for civilizations far more advanced than our own. I absolutely do not believe we've been contacted by intelligent alien life. Any species capable of interstellar travel would be so much more advanced than us that I don't think they'd have any interest in fucking with us. We'd be like insects to them.

    Time travel: Yes, but only forward, and not in any truly meaningful way. Time is relative, after all. I won't discount the possibility that species could perceive time differently from the way we do, but I'm pretty ignorant on the subject and it doesn't seem terribly likely to me as, as far as I know, nothing on our planet has evolved such multi-dimensional perception.

    Other universes: Maybe. If so, I don't think it's like people imagine where there are different realities for all the different possibilities they can imagine. Any potential alternate realities would still likely be governed by physics and probability. You can imagine things that aren't and cannot ever be possible. I think what's probably more likely is simulation theory, in which case there are likely many different simulations of reality, and what we're experiencing is actually a lower fidelity recreation of reality, with limitations that we will never truly be able to comprehend let alone surpass.

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    I fully believe that simulation will be our final frontier and that exploration will fall to the wayside.

    We are already creating more compelling fictional worlds than anything we are likely to ever find in reality.

    I don't know that we'll ever literally transcend our flesh, but I don't think there's any reason to believe we can't eventually create simulations that approximate reality closely enough for us to give up on reality. In which case, why try to leave the solar system in search of some alien paradise when we can simply enter a paradise of our own design?

    We could create realities where time travel, psychic powers, and all the other amazing things we can imagine are possible. That's infinitely more compelling than finding some protozoa on an icy moon in a distant solar system.
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  19. #59
    Yes to all, but in regards to time travel, only forward travel, like what we saw in the movie Interstellar with the black hole.
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  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Amarys View Post
    Well this is what I meant actually. If there was only one, it would be a huge coincidence that the only universe had the right conditions and laws unless a Creator made it. If there are many universes though, then it's less of a coincidence, we just happen to live in one that has the right conditions while the others are just barren or self destruct immediately.

    As for the life adapting part, try to adapt to an universe where a number is 1% off and the entire thing just collapses into a black hole immediately or where matter can't form at all or gravity wont allow stars and planets form at all. If you go mess with these laws, you wouldn't just get a slightly different universe, you'd most likely destroy it completely.

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    The universe is what? 13 billion years old. Earth is about 4.5billion years old and has had the right conditions for billions of years. I'd say intelligent life is pretty darn unlikely. Intelligence is just not that practical or valued in evolution.

    Another good reason to say there is no intelligent life out there is, well just look up. Humanity is only like 40k years old at most. It's also fairly reasonable to say that in the next 10-20 hundred years we will at the very least have colonized other bodies in the solar system and in 100k or more spread out. If intelligent life was even slightly common, they would have had billions of years to do it. Build Dyson spheres, altered things, left traces, sent out radio waves. Yet we see nothing.

    There are only 2 reasonable explanations. 1) Intelligent life is super rare and we're it. 2) Something wipes it out every time before it evolves into type 1-2 and becomes immune to extinction.
    That's an awful lot of assumptions you're making. For one thing, the universe is massive. Just because we haven't seen anything even remotely pointing to intelligent life existing out there, doesn't mean it doesn't exist somewhere. Humans as we know it have existed for 200k to 300k years, while our ancestors did come into existence about 5-7 billion years ago. So even on this planet intelligent life as we know it hasn't existed for long. And we're just a blip on the scale of the universes existence. Also you assume we'll colonize other planets, we're going to kill ourselves off before then. We've already set this planet snowballing towards our inevitable extinction. We've wasted so much of our existence fighting over land, religion, food, oil, water, money.... Not unless humans can come together and realize we're all in this together as a species. At most we're going to have a hotel on the moon, maybe a vegas like strip. But once humans die off on Earth the people up there won't have a supply chain anymore and they'll die too. Humans squandered what we were given by falling prey to petty bullshit like religion and greed. Also you assume every other species has had a desire to colonize other planets or a need to.

    I'm sure there's plenty of planets out there that've done it better than we have with far less to work with. But again humans and their ego's thinking we're special and that no one out there could've made it as far as we have! I mean look I literally gave you another reason we haven't seen anything, yet your ego thinks your two reasons are it. I'm not even that smart and i could logically come up with at the very least a third reason as to why we haven't seen anything. I'm sure someone smarter than I could come up with a few more.
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