why is there so much antipathy to california in the us?

[Rasulis]

This pretty much chips a large chunk out of the "oh but without us you'd all starve"

No... China maybe would have to buy their stuff somewhere else... but Americans wouldn't starve, they'll barely notice.

A 2018 study by Bloomberg found that while US agricultural land takes up 391 million acres - a fifth of the land in the 48 contiguous states - only 77.3 million of those acres are used to grow the food we eat, while the rest go toward feeding cows and other livestock. So the fact that 99% of crops grown in CA are intended for direct human consumption is rather unusual.

[Machismo]

@Machismo You'll love this one I'm sure. Might as well add it to the sig.

The dude has proudly admitted to being a racist and a troll.

I put him on my ignore list a very long time ago.

[Flarelaine]

This thread has been pretty thoroughly derailed from its intended topic. Please stick to California and cease discussing race or personal grievances.

[Milchshake]

This thread has been pretty thoroughly derailed from its intended topic. Please stick to California and cease discussing race or personal grievances.

Its basically a country bashing thread.

The personal grievances started on page one.

[Brubear]

ah yes, the mirroring stereotypes. ever been outside of your precious city, to see what its like to live there. fuck - San Diego was brought up in this very thread and its a city in California and its NOTHING like the hellhole that is LA.

the thing is, that superiority complex of LA residents? is present in this very thread. and as I said, in a lot of ways its not even political. I'm sure you are going to argue against any assertion that LA influencers are indicative of LA culture in general, but the sad truth is... they are. they just happened to have made it, while so many more are still trying to make it, trying to be like the influencers. there is a lot of performative behavior with no regard for realities of anyone else, but themselves.

the joke is all too many people in these major metropolises being so convinced that their way is the only way that they are completely blind as to why they are a joke in a first place.

fuck even having a conversation on what living in food desert is like, or how you cannot just not use a car and stick to public transport in a rural area, or accessibility of internet or medical care, or finding better jobs or any number of things that they just can't.. comprehend.

Hi, I live in rural NorCal and can confirm their comment that rural folk are just as bad about this as the city folk they complain about. The NIMBYism that permeates every single city proposal or growth strategy and cries about how "X is destroying our small-town way of life" or "this used to be such a nice place to live until Y" is staggering. The constant complaining about the "big-city elites who don't know anything and haven't worked an honest day in their life!", the disdain and the way they look down on people from large cities is just as prevalent as the big-city elitism you brought up.

[Flarelaine]

The personal grievances started on page one.

And they were off-topic back then.

[Machismo]

Hi, I live in rural NorCal and can confirm their comment that rural folk are just as bad about this as the city folk they complain about. The NIMBYism that permeates every single city proposal or growth strategy and cries about how "X is destroying our small-town way of life" or "this used to be such a nice place to live until Y" is staggering. The constant complaining about the "big-city elites who don't know anything and haven't worked an honest day in their life!", the disdain and the way they look down on people from large cities is just as prevalent as the big-city elitism you brought up.

You make a good point. The rural counties were fighting hardest against allowing marijuana to be grown. They opted to try and regulate it to death. But, because they are rural counties, enforcing those bans is extraordinarily difficult. And yes, it's just about getting more funding. The same goes for big-box stores who want to build, Indian Casinos, and even car dealerships.

[Kathandira]

Hi, I live in rural NorCal and can confirm their comment that rural folk are just as bad about this as the city folk they complain about. The NIMBYism that permeates every single city proposal or growth strategy and cries about how "X is destroying our small-town way of life" or "this used to be such a nice place to live until Y" is staggering. The constant complaining about the "big-city elites who don't know anything and haven't worked an honest day in their life!", the disdain and the way they look down on people from large cities is just as prevalent as the big-city elitism you brought up.

Funny thing is, without them big city folk, the rural folk wouldn't have a lot of their equipment that they use, and certainly not the technology either.

[Witchblade77]

Hi, I live in rural NorCal and can confirm their comment that rural folk are just as bad about this as the city folk they complain about. The NIMBYism that permeates every single city proposal or growth strategy and cries about how "X is destroying our small-town way of life" or "this used to be such a nice place to live until Y" is staggering. The constant complaining about the "big-city elites who don't know anything and haven't worked an honest day in their life!", the disdain and the way they look down on people from large cities is just as prevalent as the big-city elitism you brought up.

so two wrongs make a right somehow? is that what we are going with?

also the thing with LA (which, unfairly a lot of people equate with California as a whole, kinda like the way people equate NYC with NY state - also wrongly)? its a hellhole, whether you are rural or urban or suburban. its just a hellhole for everyone, but the richest. and even for the richest who get to bypass the awful infrastructure of that city and are not as affected by its prices, the culture of clout chasing in that particular city is especially bad.

P.S. while people as a rule tend to resist change due to very human fear of unknown - there is a method of understanding the environment that you are making the changes in. all too often - even when the change or improvement is genuinely truly needed, the way its done betrays thorough misunderstanding of the environment and because of that - the change doesn't work, the change doesn't take, the change doesn't help. you need to work WITH people, not try to roll right over them because you are so convinced that you have all the right answers. they may be right answers for YOUR environment, but not for EVERY environment. (and yes this goes both ways, rural only people do not know and cannot know what's best for someone living and preferring to live in Urban environment. as I said, two wrongs do not make a right - though as an aside, i do wish people would stop using holocaust as their stick to beat their point with, while simultaneously throwing jewish people under the bus, when they are "the wrong kind of jewish person" - and they are white oppressors now. its exhausting. )

[Elegiac]

so two wrongs make a right somehow? is that what we are going with?

also the thing with LA (which, unfairly a lot of people equate with California as a whole, kinda like the way people equate NYC with NY state - also wrongly)? its a hellhole, whether you are rural or urban or suburban. its just a hellhole for everyone, but the richest. and even for the richest who get to bypass the awful infrastructure of that city and are not as affected by its prices, the culture of clout chasing in that particular city is especially bad.

P.S. while people as a rule tend to resist change due to very human fear of unknown - there is a method of understanding the environment that you are making the changes in. all too often - even when the change or improvement is genuinely truly needed, the way its done betrays thorough misunderstanding of the environment and because of that - the change doesn't work, the change doesn't take, the change doesn't help. you need to work WITH people, not try to roll right over them because you are so convinced that you have all the right answers. they may be right answers for YOUR environment, but not for EVERY environment. (and yes this goes both ways, rural only people do not know and cannot know what's best for someone living and preferring to live in Urban environment. as I said, two wrongs do not make a right - though as an aside, i do wish people would stop using holocaust as their stick to beat their point with, while simultaneously throwing jewish people under the bus, when they are "the wrong kind of jewish person" - and they are white oppressors now. its exhausting. )

You missed the point.

The point is that rural folks are guilty of all the bad behaviors they lob at urban dwellers but somehow feel entitled to the position that them choosing to live in the wastes entitles them to have despicable opinions on because you can’t force change in a country that was literally founded by force, apparently. Rofl.

[Witchblade77]

You missed the point.

The point is that rural folks are guilty of all the bad behaviors they lob at urban dwellers but somehow feel entitled to the position that them choosing to live in the wastes entitles them to have despicable opinions on because you can’t force change in a country that was literally founded by force, apparently. Rofl.

speaking of missing the point. sigh....

[Themius]

speaking of missing the point. sigh....

Your points are about as hard as a constantly held shield of spirit.

[blankfaced]

It's a messed up "i love the economic amazingness of their society, but I HATE the core principals of it!"

Basically the fact they think people should be allowed to just be them selves, minus money and blockbuster movies equals we hate California!

And if they didn't make movies we would've cut them out of the US like the Cancer they are!! Arghdlgargledegloop!!

And then somehow Jewish people get thrown in there somewhere because of money!!

[Narwhalosh Whalescream]

Because it's inherently american to hate.

[Aurgjelme]

Funny thing is, without them big city folk, the rural folk wouldn't have a lot of their equipment that they use, and certainly not the technology either.

Funny thing is, without them "bigoted" rural folks, the big city folk wouldn't have any food or housing to accommodate their bigger brain and vastly superior intellect.

Se how stupid this trail of thought really is?

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You missed the point.

The point is that rural folks are guilty of all the bad behaviors they lob at urban dwellers but somehow feel entitled to the position that them choosing to live in the wastes entitles them to have despicable opinions on because you can’t force change in a country that was literally founded by force, apparently. Rofl.

Funny, when I think of a apocalyptic wasteland I would more akin it to this kind of landscape:













Some of these images might be from fallout 4 screendump, sorry if mistaken.

[Elegiac]

Funny thing is, without them "bigoted" rural folks, the big city folk wouldn't have any food or housing to accommodate their bigger brain and vastly superior intellect.

Se how stupid this trail of thought really is?

Yep, especially given that food is grown either in China or by migrant workers from Latin America for the most part and not by the bigoted rural folk complaining that the young people these days are overeducated and overgay.

It is indeed a stupid trail of thought, but that’s entirely because people are pushing the narrative that a bigoted American subculture is representative of a mindset that is somehow inherent to people living in rural areas or producing certain goods and not like, you know, a subculture of toxic individualism derived from a mythologised view of history and the world.

[Witchblade77]

I'm still sitting here, sighing over the stereotype that ALL people living in rural area are nothing but religious gun toting hateful rednecks or whatever. and then you wonder why you are are stereotyped yourself and hated.

another ironic thing is. I've lived in various cities for most of my life. moving to the rural area few years ago, opened my eyes a LOT. but even before that, I've been around all kinds of people in cities. most of them are not so different from people in rural areas. not so different at all. except for certain contingent of pseudointellectual elites that think they are better then everyone else. they just seem to congregate especially in mass, in places like LA.

[Rasulis]

Yep, especially given that food is grown either in China or by migrant workers from Latin America for the most part and not by the bigoted rural folk complaining that the young people these days are overeducated and overgay.

It is indeed a stupid trail of thought, but that’s entirely because people are pushing the narrative that a bigoted American subculture is representative of a mindset that is somehow inherent to people living in rural areas or producing certain goods and not like, you know, a subculture of toxic individualism derived from a mythologised view of history and the world.

Actually, in time, us city folks may be able to feed ourselves without inconveniencing our rural brethen.

Lettuce Vertical Farming.


Vertical Farming & Catfish Farming Combined


Chives Vertical Farming

[Shadowferal]

Actually, in time, us city folks may be able to feed ourselves without inconveniencing our rural brethen.

Nope. Not even close. Think in terms of kilotons per day.

[Milchshake]

Produce in winter? How do those "rural green lanterns" do it ...?

Oh never mind, its from Peru. They even do it in keeeelotons!