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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    California doesn't seem to be too friendly to alt-righters and national socialists.

    Hence the dogpile on California.
    "Rural American" is their new call to Make America Great Again.

    But like Trump electoral base, it's mostly suburban kids from $100,000 income families. Cosplaying as authentic rural Americans.

    I'm really enjoying the catfight between cosplay socialists and cosplay ruralists.
    • They're both desperate to escape the boredom of extreme privledge.
    • It's our own version of Hilaria Baldwin's fake Spanish accent.

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    California doesn't seem to be too friendly to alt-righters and national socialists.
    Republicans were committing voter fraud for Trump in California.
    Americans are the Chinese of the west. The main reason people tolerate them is because they are too big to ignore.

    "Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack." - Roger Stone (Trump's Friend, Ally, and Campaign Advisor)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Oh I have neighbours who I like and talk to. Do you people think cities aren't communities?
    “How can they be ‘communities?’ They’re full of too many different people with different beliefs and different backgrounds and different skin colors!” ~ some country bumpkin, probably
    “Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PresidentElectMilchschake View Post
    Hence the dogpile on California.
    "Rural American" is their new call to Make America Great Again.

    But like Trump electoral base, it's mostly suburban kids from $100,000 income families. Cosplaying as authentic rural Americans.

    I'm really enjoying the catfight between cosplay socialists and cosplay ruralists.
    • They're both desperate to escape the boredom of extreme privledge.
    • It's our own version of Hilaria Baldwin's fake Spanish accent.
    That's the thing, California is largely "rural America."

    It has as many Republicans as Florida does. It has an agricultural output that far exceeds any other state.

    Most of the counties are red.

    It's one of the best states for hunting.

    It's got a huge logging industry.

    There's ranches across the entire state.

    People want to think of California as the Bay Area, or Los Angeles... and that's simply not really the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    You support a party that still doesn't like it... and this is 2020.




    Americans are the Chinese of the west. The main reason people tolerate them is because they are too big to ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    “How can they be ‘communities?’ They’re full of too many different people with different beliefs and different backgrounds and different skin colors!” ~ some country bumpkin, probably
    For real lol. Like growing up in NYC I had neighbours I knew and liked. That streotypical "neighbour coming over asking for a cup of sugar" totally happens lol. My landlord invited us to his cookouts all the time. It's funny how people think living in a city means you don't like your neighbours. The issue is they don't like the people in the cities and therefore just assume everyone is the same.

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    . The issue is they don't like the people in the cities and therefore just assume everyone is the same.
    It sounds like you have something in common. Just the reverse in location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    It sounds like you have something in common. Just the reverse in location.
    My judging of rural communities is based on polling and demographic information. From that we know they’re 80% white. Mostly Republican and far more conservative than every other community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    It sounds like you have something in common. Just the reverse in location.
    Dude everything he says in this thread is a justification for those other states opinions. He is having some serious MovieBob moments here.
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  10. #170
    Are Ruralist really being "honest" about who does the work?
    Why do they keep erasing their dependency on immigrants while bashing the multiculturalism of cities?



    Why did owners in rural communities throw their workers under the bus to die from Covid?

    During the pandemic, this unequal system turned lethal. Only a handful of states have issued mandatory protection for farm workers during the pandemic.
    • In April, the Trump administration declared that H-2A workers were essential to national security and increased its processing of new visa applications.
    • However, the administration never provided updated worker safety regulations, leaving housing and transportation in the hands of the farmers.
    • The results were deadly, in some cases. In Texas, a 48-year-old man on an H-2A visa died from Covid-related complications after his employer denied him medical care. In California, an H-2A worker died after contracting the virus during an outbreak in his employer-arranged congregate housing. Similar cases have been reported across the country.


    Nonetheless, employers continue to pack workers into motel rooms and trailers, according to Lauro Barajas, the regional director for the United Farm Workers in the area around San Francisco. They frequently decline to implement social distancing on the buses that transport workers from their housing to the fields where they work. Very few offer protective gear in the cramped packing houses or adjust conditions in the field to accommodate social distancing. Health insurance, which is not a requirement for the H-2A program, remains out of reach for most workers.

    Flavio felt the iron grip of his employer as soon as he arrived in North Carolina. His contract was clear—he’d work 35 hours a week on a blueberry farm, and the farm labor contractor would pay for a hotel for him and his fellow workers. But when he got there, he found out that the contractor had actually signed an agreement with another farm, more than an hour and a half away, planting sweet potatoes. The hotel he had been promised turned out to be a run-down trailer that he shared with more than a dozen other H-2A workers.

    “There were only two bedrooms for 19 workers,” Flavio said. “We were sleeping on mattresses on the floor.”

    After he complained to the local farm workers’ union, the Farm Labor Organizing Committee, he was moved into a hotel, where he was kept for nearly a week without work or pay. In late June, Flavio was forced to quit in order to find other work. His employer had paid out less than a quarter of the total contract.

    Wage theft is particularly rampant among farmers and farm labor contractors who employ H-2A workers, according to a new report from the Economic Policy Institute. Last year, the Department of Labor identified 12,000 labor violations in the H-2A program. The vast majority of those were wage violations. According to the Labor Department, farmers owed 5,000 workers a total of $2.4 million in back wages. Farm labor contractors were by far the most egregious offenders. Because many employees choose not to file complaints out of fear of retaliation, these numbers likely paint only a partial picture of the situation.

    Employers have been given free rein to mistreat workers like Flavio under the Trump administration. The Labor Department’s Wage and Hour Division, which is responsible for investigating labor violation complaints from H-2A workers, faced unprecedented budget and staffing cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    In America it’s white people... in Myanmar it’s the Burmese but we are talking about California... in America and Americans feeling towards California.
    No you're literally just stereotyping white Americans based on a small amount of bad apples. There are some white people and brown people who are bigots but that is not an excuse to negatively generalize those people on the basis of their race and location.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saninicus View Post
    The homeless are like cats. They go were they get fed. They prey on people's naivety.
    yup i was right, thanks.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PresidentElectMilchschake View Post
    immigrants
    We are well aware of your desire of an inexpensive caste of servants.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
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  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by Grubenwolf View Post
    Also the fact that California is turning into a dump thanks to the increasing number of homeless there. People are literally taking shits out in the streets like dogs, it's an actual problem over there. It has the highest poverty rate in all of the US. Their taxes are insanely high, one of the highest in the US which is probably why so many people like Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, Chris Hemsworth, Ben Shapiro and even whole companies have moved out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post

    CA's poverty is the highest in the USA however only about 150k people are homeless, The majority or nearly half of Homeless in CA are also from different states.


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    I'm sorry but where are people getting that CA has the highest poverty rates?
    Only thing I can find is the unofficial SPR.
    Any data i can find pre dates COVID so it will be interesting the impact.

    https://www.census.gov/library/visua...erty-rate.html
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/st...-rate-by-state
    https://spotlightonpoverty.org/states/california/


    https://www.census.gov/content/dam/C...mo/p60-272.pdf
    The official number for CA was below the national average of 11.5% (11.4%).
    If you go off Supplemental poverty rate then they would be highest at 17.2%

    Texas for comparison is 12.7% official and 13.7% SPR. So who's worse? Depending on measurement I guess is the answer.
    FL 12.9% & 15.4%

    At these numbers its almost splitting hairs and is no way the driving force for people leaving CA for TX/FL.



    The biggest reason for the huge increase in CA SPR is that it includes non cash benefits. In a lot of states this helps reduce the poverty numbers or at least keeps them static/flat.

    In CA because its a high cost/high income state these benefits are yet another example of how CA has been underpaid for decades in federal programs since the adjustments do not keep up with cost. So while a state like Mississippi can see their Poverty rates go from 19% to 15% because those payments help people to get above the poverty level, the same programs won't come close in CA.

    So once again CA has to try to make this up with state funds. And where do they get this from? Oh right, higher taxes.

    Imagine that, more examples (like Medicaid) of CA giving money to other states that could be used to keep their tax rates lower.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    We are well aware of your desire of an inexpensive caste of servants.
    The real issue... is why does an immigrant such as yourself, hate immigrants so damned much?

  16. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    As a California human, I think there is a lot to like and learn from other states. Economically Cali isn't a model to follow. This entire state is essentially bought and owned by like one or two sectors of the economy, namely tech firms and land barons and the entire economy is a quasi-feudal rent seeking economy that doesn't really produce much other than apps and agricultural products and we are quickly becoming unable to produce the agricultural produce due to water shortages and the rapid wrecking of the soil in the Central Valley.

    California's wealth is entirely held by a landed few, a gentry of tech oligarchs and rent seekers whose only relationship to the masses is harvesting wealth and surplus labor and looking at the relationship, its entirely one way. Our overlords do nothing simply for the average person and if anything are hostile. Themuis represents this well, because if your view of a regular person is as "Samey Bigot!" than you've morally absolved yourself of any obligation towards them and thus we can see how the elite carry on despite rapid inequalities and horrible labor relations.

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    Why are you out there missionizing the natives?
    The days of free-for-all groundwater farming rights are gone and will never come back. However, the agriculture industry has adapted.

    Based on USDA data, between 2012 and 2019, CA cash receipt from crops commodity increased by 10%. CA share of US crop commodity is 19.5% in 2019.

    Also, Central Valley is not the only farming regions in CA. Agricultural regions such as Salinas (known as the salad bowl of the US), Sacramento Delta, Tulelake, Central and South Coasts do not have the same water issue as Fresno, San Joaquin, Kern, and Imperial Valley.

    The drought was not all bad. CA farmers started planting crop breeds that are more drought tolerant and require less water. They have also started using new irrigation systems and, in the Monterey region, dry farming is now quite common. Supposedly fruits and grapes grown using dry farming are smaller, but the flavors more intense. Despite all the kvetching, the agriculture industry is now more resilient than it was before.

    Also, telemetry readings of wells installed by USGS in 2010 indicate that the GW levels in San Joaquin Valley have rebounded since the end of the drought in 2016.

    Just as the AID pandemic ended up making SF the #1 biotech hub in the US, the drought turned CA into the #1 agtech start ups state. Some of the most recent start ups - Farmer Business Network of San Carlos (raised 250m in Series F funding this year), Berkeley Pivot Bio (100m raised in April), and Sacramento based Unfold Bio, Inc. (specialized in vertical farming).

    Yes the drought was bad and water is a scarce commodity. However, the State is adapting and changing to accommodate the scarcity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    The days of free-for-all groundwater farming rights are gone and will never come back. However, the agriculture industry has adapted.

    Based on USDA data, between 2012 and 2019, CA cash receipt from crops commodity increased by 10%. CA share of US crop commodity is 19.5% in 2019.

    Also, Central Valley is not the only farming regions in CA. Agricultural regions such as Salinas (known as the salad bowl of the US), Sacramento Delta, Tulelake, Central and South Coasts do not have the same water issue as Fresno, San Joaquin, Kern, and Imperial Valley.

    The drought was not all bad. CA farmers started planting crop breeds that are more drought tolerant and require less water. They have also started using new irrigation systems and, in the Monterey region, dry farming is now quite common. Supposedly fruits and grapes grown using dry farming are smaller, but the flavors more intense. Despite all the kvetching, the agriculture industry is now more resilient than it was before.

    Also, telemetry readings of wells installed by USGS in 2010 indicate that the GW levels in San Joaquin Valley have rebounded since the end of the drought in 2016.

    Just as the AID pandemic ended up making SF the #1 biotech hub in the US, the drought turned CA into the #1 agtech start ups state. Some of the most recent start ups - Farmer Business Network of San Carlos (raised 250m in Series F funding this year), Berkeley Pivot Bio (100m raised in April), and Sacramento based Unfold Bio, Inc. (specialized in vertical farming).

    Yes the drought was bad and water is a scarce commodity. However, the State is adapting and changing to accommodate the scarcity.
    Hopefully it continues. Agriculture would be great if it could overcome the iron grip of landlords and tech firms in the state. At least with three industries in competition there are more factions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
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  18. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    The real issue... is why does an immigrant such as yourself, hate immigrants so damned much?
    "i got mine"

    the very reason why Boomers are Boomers and to a vast extension this would include Boomers Parents.


    you know like "who cares that SS is underfunded, I'll be dead before the money runs out"....thus once Boomers got in power, poof went the normal 5 year cycle of COL/Tax adjustments to employment taxes. 35 years of minor increases all dried up during Reagan and the plague called Baby-Boomers.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Hopefully it continues. Agriculture would be great if it could overcome the iron grip of landlords and tech firms in the state. At least with three industries in competition there are more factions.
    I would bet on it, there's a near infinite amount of ways to get slightly more output even with slightly less input and the fact that people always think we've hit some kind of "ultimate cap" or "ultimate efficiency" is incredibly stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Hopefully it continues. Agriculture would be great if it could overcome the iron grip of landlords and tech firms in the state. At least with three industries in competition there are more factions.
    Except, you already got caught lying about that bullshit narrative.

    "Hopefully it continues..."

    It was never NOT that way. You are straight up lying.

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