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  1. #21
    You're wrong. Uther is an Alliance character, he's a good guy.... This is basic stuff.

  2. #22
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    I love how people who are only privy to the first chapter or two of a story are already crying about its "plot holes".

    You know literally nothing about storytelling. When people like you complain, it's a sign that things were done correctly.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by bluesock View Post
    You're wrong. Uther is an Alliance character, he's a good guy.... This is basic stuff.
    Yeah lets just ignore all the Alliance characters turned bad. Just ignore them.
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  4. #24
    He's literally aligned with the jailer and taking matters in his own hands by aligning with devos.

    uther piece of shit confirmed.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    He's literally aligned with the jailer and taking matters in his own hands by aligning with devos.

    uther piece of shit confirmed.
    He has zero clue about the Jailer. Most of the Forsworn didn't know their leader was working for the Jailer.

    Uther is a broken soul that's being manipulated.
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  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by leorana View Post
    In the culling of stratholme he disobey his prince, so on top of insubordination
    Stopped reading there, you should really learn your lore about the character before making tin pot threads such as this.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Antitrauma View Post
    Stopped reading there, you should really learn your lore about the character before making tin pot threads such as this.
    This sorta thing gets brought up by all the low level trolls on this forum.

    'Garrosh bad cause he disobey war chief'

    Even in a fictional universe, they make sure to max their bootlicking skill.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    He's literally aligned with the jailer and taking matters in his own hands by aligning with devos.

    uther piece of shit confirmed.
    It is made very apparent while leveling in Bastion that Uther has no idea what is going on between Devos and the Jailer.

  9. #29
    You basically listed normal ass human qualities and declared them villainous.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    What other plot holes and logic errors are there?

    I'll give you the Arbiter one not seeing what happened to Uther being one I didn't even think about that before one would imagine she would've seen weapons from the maw involved in his death when he first arrived to be judged.
    Several have been discussed in this forum, the biggest being that the Maw itself serves no purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrea View Post
    I love how people who are only privy to the first chapter or two of a story are already crying about its "plot holes".

    You know literally nothing about storytelling. When people like you complain, it's a sign that things were done correctly.
    Tell us, was BfA done correctly?
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    "Orc want, orc take." and "Orc dissagrees, orc kill you to win argument."
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  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by nnelson54 View Post
    It is made very apparent while leveling in Bastion that Uther has no idea what is going on between Devos and the Jailer.
    And that he's deliberately being kept out of the loop. The paragon of doubt explicitly states this.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    Several have been discussed in this forum, the biggest being that the Maw itself serves no purpose.
    Care to list any then? Or at least link those threads you mentioned I can browse them. The maw thing though just sounds like conjecture.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by A Chozo View Post
    Not a Villain - an Antagonist. He wasn't being cruel by "condemning" the citizens of Stratholme, he was too weak to cull himself.

    It wasn't Pride that kept him ignorant of Arthas' attitude, it was love.

    He can't ascend because his soul is damaged. It's a big part of the plot - he's incapable of moving on.

    Yes, it was a mistake to rob Arthas of the normal afterlife process, but that doesn't make him villainous.
    You know what? I find it hard to disagree with you. Well put

  14. #34
    He’s a Paladin who lacks faith

    Which means we have to redeem him at some point.... maybe it’ll be Kyrian only. Maybe we’ll have a dungeon where we help Uther retrieve Arthas from the Maw, so he can move on

    All that work to help some filthy humans... what we dont do for loot...

  15. #35
    so if Uther was branded when killed by frostmourne and couldnt let his past go, does that mean than everybody killed by frostmourne was in teh same situation as him?

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunderella View Post
    so if Uther was branded when killed by frostmourne and couldnt let his past go, does that mean than everybody killed by frostmourne was in teh same situation as him?
    No. The Light "protected" his soul from being fully consumed by Frostmourne. He is a unique entity in that he wasn't just fully absorbed.

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by leorana View Post
    Let's count the ways...

    In the culling of stratholme he disobey his prince, so on top of insubordination - he is cruel, condemning all these people to eternity of undeath instead of the quick release to the afterlife.
    Insubordination?
    Arthas was the subordinate. Only the king (Arthas's father) was above Uther in station within that conflict.
    And Terenas was pretty much against the purge, even after it happened.

    Cruel?
    A snobby subordinate, known to do "action first, thinking later" and outbursts of pride comes up to you and tells you: "oh, these people will turn to zombies, let's kill them all!" (the turning being something nobody at the time could confirm).
    Would you have just slaughtered them all?

    He is also Pridfull, not acknowledging the truth in Arthas actions (to that point) mainly because he is his student and doesn't see him as superior to him as a paladin.
    Prideful?
    It's not pride that made him resent Arthas's actions. It's that his pupil went against every value in the book. Even if we can excuse Stratholme, Arthas continued to impress with actions like "betrayal", "treason" and last but not least "slaughtering most of his own people".

    He his furious and filled with vengeance for the murder of king teranas, and his own death by the hands of Arthas.
    He can not ascend because he's so childly stuck on what Arthas did to him. He then cheats his way to asscention - and betray the kyrian covanent who gave him a chance in the afterlife.
    Yes, it's not like those 2 kills were somehow connected to the deaths of over half a kingdom...?

    He can't ascend because half his soul is stuck on Azeroth and tethers him to his memories.
    It's not him cheating the ways of the Kyrians; he straight up tells Devos he's not ready in the video after all... with her pushing for the quick ascension.

    Lastly, he lacks compation. He refuse to acknowledge that Arthas was first of all - his responsibility as his mentor. His failure. He ignores the jailer in the helm guiding Arthas deeds. He tosses a helpless Soul to the maw, denying it its right. To be judged - and calls it 'justice', not vengeance as it is whats it is. That also makes him a hypocrite.
    Ok, now it's time to direct you to read some more on lore.
    1st things 1st: Yes, the video shows you only that 1 scene where he's killed, but in his words you hear him lament exactly about how his mentorship went wrong.
    2nd: The Jailor was not in the helm; it was Ner'zhul. Most of Arthas's deeds were done before these 2 minds fused (or rather: Arthas pretty much obliterated Ner'zhul's soul and took it's power).
    3rd: he does repent on this later on, which kind of sparks the Kyrians to rethink their ways.

    Gotta say, I never cared much for Uther, but SL made him even worse on my list. Arthas is a villain, mostly influenced and manipulated by powers beyond his understanding. Uther is a Villain on his own with no one to blame. Same with Xera and Yrel, you can still yield the light and be a horrible person.
    You mean, you never much cared about lore?
    Go read the Arthas book and you will see just how much "Arthas was manipulated". Beyond that you should also replay the entire campaign and pay attention this time around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wysmark View Post
    He’s a Paladin who lacks faith

    Which means we have to redeem him at some point.... maybe it’ll be Kyrian only. Maybe we’ll have a dungeon where we help Uther retrieve Arthas from the Maw, so he can move on

    All that work to help some filthy humans... what we dont do for loot...
    Kyrians get to do that

    The final chapters of the campaign feature;
    (8) Lysonia betrays Uther and tries to leech him for anima, but we stop her uppon which Uther decides to exile himself
    (9) The forsworn launch a full scale attack on Bastion, in the final stages Uther rejoins the fight on our side

    Uther will probably end up being the key to the Kyrians marginalization of their ways and re-integration of decent forsworn


    Quote Originally Posted by Niroshi View Post
    You basically listed normal ass human qualities and declared them villainous.
    Welcome to the lore section of MMO-champion, where having human qualities and not being an all-knowing observer makes characters "bad apples".

    Quote Originally Posted by Marine1 View Post
    I wonder why the Arbiter (who sees everything about a mortal's life in an instant) didn't intervene in some way? Do such things not concern the Arbiter?
    From what we've seen of the Arbiter it functions like a machine... It does what it's straight up made to do and doesn't acqnowledge unknown variables.
    Even the best of machine learning/AI algorhytms will miss-clasify a subject if it's the 1st one completely out of the norm and the variable is not one usually a defining characteristic.
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  18. #38
    He's very clearly not.

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    Apparently not wanting to kill innocents after someone with a revenge boner gives a culling order after 1s of thought is villaneous. Arthas acted quickly like a kid and Uther did what he was supposed to do. Guide him.

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