Uther is actually a villain

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

You're wrong. Uther is an Alliance character, he's a good guy.... This is basic stuff.

Yeah lets just ignore all the Alliance characters turned bad. Just ignore them.

[prwraith]

He's literally aligned with the jailer and taking matters in his own hands by aligning with devos.

uther piece of shit confirmed.

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

He's literally aligned with the jailer and taking matters in his own hands by aligning with devos.

uther piece of shit confirmed.

He has zero clue about the Jailer. Most of the Forsworn didn't know their leader was working for the Jailer.

Uther is a broken soul that's being manipulated.

[Justitiaxx]

In the culling of stratholme he disobey his prince, so on top of insubordination

Stopped reading there, you should really learn your lore about the character before making tin pot threads such as this.

[Mashanerz]

Stopped reading there, you should really learn your lore about the character before making tin pot threads such as this.

This sorta thing gets brought up by all the low level trolls on this forum.

'Garrosh bad cause he disobey war chief'

Even in a fictional universe, they make sure to max their bootlicking skill.

[nnelson54]

He's literally aligned with the jailer and taking matters in his own hands by aligning with devos.

uther piece of shit confirmed.

It is made very apparent while leveling in Bastion that Uther has no idea what is going on between Devos and the Jailer.

[Niroshi]

You basically listed normal ass human qualities and declared them villainous.

[Feanoro]

What other plot holes and logic errors are there?

I'll give you the Arbiter one not seeing what happened to Uther being one I didn't even think about that before one would imagine she would've seen weapons from the maw involved in his death when he first arrived to be judged.

Several have been discussed in this forum, the biggest being that the Maw itself serves no purpose.

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I love how people who are only privy to the first chapter or two of a story are already crying about its "plot holes".

You know literally nothing about storytelling. When people like you complain, it's a sign that things were done correctly.

Tell us, was BfA done correctly?

[huth]

It is made very apparent while leveling in Bastion that Uther has no idea what is going on between Devos and the Jailer.

And that he's deliberately being kept out of the loop. The paragon of doubt explicitly states this.

[leorana]

Not a Villain - an Antagonist. He wasn't being cruel by "condemning" the citizens of Stratholme, he was too weak to cull himself.

It wasn't Pride that kept him ignorant of Arthas' attitude, it was love.

He can't ascend because his soul is damaged. It's a big part of the plot - he's incapable of moving on.

Yes, it was a mistake to rob Arthas of the normal afterlife process, but that doesn't make him villainous.

You know what? I find it hard to disagree with you. Well put

[Wysmark]

He’s a Paladin who lacks faith

Which means we have to redeem him at some point.... maybe it’ll be Kyrian only. Maybe we’ll have a dungeon where we help Uther retrieve Arthas from the Maw, so he can move on

All that work to help some filthy humans... what we dont do for loot...

[Sunderella]

so if Uther was branded when killed by frostmourne and couldnt let his past go, does that mean than everybody killed by frostmourne was in teh same situation as him?

[Drattz]

so if Uther was branded when killed by frostmourne and couldnt let his past go, does that mean than everybody killed by frostmourne was in teh same situation as him?

No. The Light "protected" his soul from being fully consumed by Frostmourne. He is a unique entity in that he wasn't just fully absorbed.

[Zmagoslav]

Let's count the ways...

In the culling of stratholme he disobey his prince, so on top of insubordination - he is cruel, condemning all these people to eternity of undeath instead of the quick release to the afterlife.

Insubordination?
Arthas was the subordinate. Only the king (Arthas's father) was above Uther in station within that conflict.
And Terenas was pretty much against the purge, even after it happened.

Cruel?
A snobby subordinate, known to do "action first, thinking later" and outbursts of pride comes up to you and tells you: "oh, these people will turn to zombies, let's kill them all!" (the turning being something nobody at the time could confirm).
Would you have just slaughtered them all?

He is also Pridfull, not acknowledging the truth in Arthas actions (to that point) mainly because he is his student and doesn't see him as superior to him as a paladin.

Prideful?
It's not pride that made him resent Arthas's actions. It's that his pupil went against every value in the book. Even if we can excuse Stratholme, Arthas continued to impress with actions like "betrayal", "treason" and last but not least "slaughtering most of his own people".

He his furious and filled with vengeance for the murder of king teranas, and his own death by the hands of Arthas.
He can not ascend because he's so childly stuck on what Arthas did to him. He then cheats his way to asscention - and betray the kyrian covanent who gave him a chance in the afterlife.

Yes, it's not like those 2 kills were somehow connected to the deaths of over half a kingdom...?

He can't ascend because half his soul is stuck on Azeroth and tethers him to his memories.
It's not him cheating the ways of the Kyrians; he straight up tells Devos he's not ready in the video after all... with her pushing for the quick ascension.

Lastly, he lacks compation. He refuse to acknowledge that Arthas was first of all - his responsibility as his mentor. His failure. He ignores the jailer in the helm guiding Arthas deeds. He tosses a helpless Soul to the maw, denying it its right. To be judged - and calls it 'justice', not vengeance as it is whats it is. That also makes him a hypocrite.

Ok, now it's time to direct you to read some more on lore.
1st things 1st: Yes, the video shows you only that 1 scene where he's killed, but in his words you hear him lament exactly about how his mentorship went wrong.
2nd: The Jailor was not in the helm; it was Ner'zhul. Most of Arthas's deeds were done before these 2 minds fused (or rather: Arthas pretty much obliterated Ner'zhul's soul and took it's power).
3rd: he does repent on this later on, which kind of sparks the Kyrians to rethink their ways.

Gotta say, I never cared much for Uther, but SL made him even worse on my list. Arthas is a villain, mostly influenced and manipulated by powers beyond his understanding. Uther is a Villain on his own with no one to blame. Same with Xera and Yrel, you can still yield the light and be a horrible person.

You mean, you never much cared about lore?
Go read the Arthas book and you will see just how much "Arthas was manipulated". Beyond that you should also replay the entire campaign and pay attention this time around.

He’s a Paladin who lacks faith

Which means we have to redeem him at some point.... maybe it’ll be Kyrian only. Maybe we’ll have a dungeon where we help Uther retrieve Arthas from the Maw, so he can move on

All that work to help some filthy humans... what we dont do for loot...

Kyrians get to do that

The final chapters of the campaign feature;
(8) Lysonia betrays Uther and tries to leech him for anima, but we stop her uppon which Uther decides to exile himself
(9) The forsworn launch a full scale attack on Bastion, in the final stages Uther rejoins the fight on our side

Uther will probably end up being the key to the Kyrians marginalization of their ways and re-integration of decent forsworn

You basically listed normal ass human qualities and declared them villainous.

Welcome to the lore section of MMO-champion, where having human qualities and not being an all-knowing observer makes characters "bad apples".

I wonder why the Arbiter (who sees everything about a mortal's life in an instant) didn't intervene in some way? Do such things not concern the Arbiter?

From what we've seen of the Arbiter it functions like a machine... It does what it's straight up made to do and doesn't acqnowledge unknown variables.
Even the best of machine learning/AI algorhytms will miss-clasify a subject if it's the 1st one completely out of the norm and the variable is not one usually a defining characteristic.

[Adoxe]

He's very clearly not.

[Kumorii]

Apparently not wanting to kill innocents after someone with a revenge boner gives a culling order after 1s of thought is villaneous. Arthas acted quickly like a kid and Uther did what he was supposed to do. Guide him.

[faithbane]

[QUOTE=A Chozo;52907431

Yes, it was a mistake to rob Arthas of the normal afterlife process, but that doesn't make him villainous.[/QUOTE]

Breaking a cycle that has been going on since SL has been established (billions of years lets say) just for personal vendetta and condemning a soul without a proper judgement/trial to torture for eternity - that doesn't make him a villian you say?

[Amaterasu65]

End of Kyrian Campaign makes him good again and he realizes his errors. He was never a villain.

[Moose184]

Let's count the ways...

In the culling of stratholme he disobey his prince, so on top of insubordination - he is cruel, condemning all these people to eternity of undeath instead of the quick release to the afterlife.

He is also Pridfull, not acknowledging the truth in Arthas actions (to that point) mainly because he is his student and doesn't see him as superior to him as a paladin.

He his furious and filled with vengeance for the murder of king teranas, and his own death by the hands of Arthas.
He can not ascend because he's so childly stuck on what Arthas did to him. He then cheats his way to asscention - and betray the kyrian covanent who gave him a chance in the afterlife.

Lastly, he lacks compation. He refuse to acknowledge that Arthas was first of all - his responsibility as his mentor. His failure. He ignores the jailer in the helm guiding Arthas deeds. He tosses a helpless Soul to the maw, denying it its right. To be judged - and calls it 'justice', not vengeance as it is whats it is. That also makes him a hypocrite.

Gotta say, I never cared much for Uther, but SL made him even worse on my list. Arthas is a villain, mostly influenced and manipulated by powers beyond his understanding. Uther is a Villain on his own with no one to blame. Same with Xera and Yrel, you can still yield the light and be a horrible person.

I mean if you disobeyed a order from Hitler to kill a bunch of people would that make you a villain?

[melzas]

You know what? I find it hard to disagree with you. Well put

I admit this is the first time I see any OP on this forum that changes his point of view when confronted with reasonable argument. You are supposed to start a flame war bro, you aren't foruming correctly like this!