Condemn Bot

[Jastall]

Condemn is super fun to play and one of the primary reasons I refuse to reroll either class or Covevant. It better become a talent in 10.0 or something.

[Strawberry]

I did Twisting Corridors layer 2 today.
Breezed through it in 1.5h and massacred everything.
I had 6 minutes long 100% parry with 24 sec cd haha. Overkill.
Condemn was critting for 400k. I killed the last boss in about 12 seconds. Did nearly 250k dps.
94% damage on the last boss was from Condemn.

[luhilo]

I mean, its no really any worse than any other class. Most speccs have 1 ability that is more than 30% of their damage. Sure on some fights condemn might get close to 50% but.. does that really matter? Playing to maximize burst windows is pretty enjoyable in my opinion, which ability doesnt really matter.

[Bigbazz]

I did Twisting Corridors layer 2 today.
Breezed through it in 1.5h and massacred everything.
I had 6 minutes long 100% parry with 24 sec cd haha. Overkill.
Condemn was critting for 400k. I killed the last boss in about 12 seconds. Did nearly 250k dps.
94% damage on the last boss was from Condemn.

The best is when you have

1x Door of Shadows epic power (cast through them = 20% damage debuff for 30s)
3x Shout debuffs 30% damage (so pierce howl/challenging shout give 90% damage)
Random shout extra duration - hopefully pierce howl, challenging ideally for the 90% debuff to last, but rally cry is nice too (it goes to 1.2m duration)
Random additional shout when you shout - So battle shout will regularly debuff the mobs or give rally cry
100% Condemn damage + Condemn at any health
Condemn 0.5s knockdown
Heroic Leap/Charge gives 200% damage for 4s, really nice with leaper boots.
Slam damage increases when you smash vases x3 = 6000% damage Slam.

So you door of shadows through the mobs for 20%, challenge shout them (off GCD) for 90% damage, CS and then leap for 200% damage and then avatar combined with Execute/Slam. The Slam will hit for several million though, on my layer 8 I had it crit for 2.5million and I didn't even have the 200% heroic leap/charge power.

What's more crazy though is as far as I'm aware Arms is nowhere near the most OP spec in there, even if it is definitely very good.

[LazyCoding]

What's more crazy though is as far as I'm aware Arms is nowhere near the most OP spec in there, even if it is definitely very good.

I think Arms is only spec that can permanently CC the bosses. Other specs also have their CC releated powers but they are effected by diminishing returns. (or the ability has a CD like in Fury case)

There was a wowhead article that listed few specs that have easiest time in Thorghast. Arms was one of them the reason was permanent knockdown with Condemn/Execute.

It is kinda easy to get the 2 powers needed for knockdown and it doesn't matter how bad other powers are or how bad you are doing in the rest of thorghast because at the worst case you can slow down and pull trash one by one. Bosses are what can end your run.

[Bigbazz]

I think Arms is only spec that can permanently CC the bosses. Other specs also have their CC releated powers but they are effected by diminishing returns. (or the ability has a CD like in Fury case)

There was a wowhead article that listed few specs that have easiest time in Thorghast. Arms was one of them the reason was permanent knockdown with Condemn/Execute.

It is kinda easy to get the 2 powers needed for knockdown and it doesn't matter how bad other powers are or how bad you are doing in the rest of thorghast because at the worst case you can slow down and pull trash one by one. Bosses are what can end your run.

Of course Arms is super strong, definitely no doubt about that. But I've heard stories of other specs doing dps in the millions, where as on my best twisting run I think I topped at 700-800k dps, the boss died seconds. Definitely possible to hit over a million dps I think as Arms (with a good Slam crit) but I think other classes have more boss melting potential, if you're killing the end boss in under 10 seconds I don't know how much it matters.

On my layer 8 it took about 30 seconds to kill the boss (at about 350k dps), maybe a little over. Of course that was 30seconds of me just pressing Condemn while the boss was completely CC'd.



That's just L2 end boss, forgot to place ravager and not sure if I had door of shadows buff but I didn't use it, the Slam also didn't crit. The damage potential definitely there, but maybe not the 2-3million dps I've heard some people talking about. One (i think disc, maybe holy) healer priest mentioned doing 1million dps on the end boss just outside in the maw on the night I did it, was a bunch of people mounted up outside there talking about their layer 8 runs.

Would love to see some logs of it.

[Jastall]

The best is when you have

1x Door of Shadows epic power (cast through them = 20% damage debuff for 30s)
3x Shout debuffs 30% damage (so pierce howl/challenging shout give 90% damage)
Random shout extra duration - hopefully pierce howl, challenging ideally for the 90% debuff to last, but rally cry is nice too (it goes to 1.2m duration)
Random additional shout when you shout - So battle shout will regularly debuff the mobs or give rally cry
100% Condemn damage + Condemn at any health
Condemn 0.5s knockdown
Heroic Leap/Charge gives 200% damage for 4s, really nice with leaper boots.
Slam damage increases when you smash vases x3 = 6000% damage Slam.

So you door of shadows through the mobs for 20%, challenge shout them (off GCD) for 90% damage, CS and then leap for 200% damage and then avatar combined with Execute/Slam. The Slam will hit for several million though, on my layer 8 I had it crit for 2.5million and I didn't even have the 200% heroic leap/charge power.

What's more crazy though is as far as I'm aware Arms is nowhere near the most OP spec in there, even if it is definitely very good.

Warriors definitely have it easy. Fury isn't quite as OP but it's still very easy to have infinite Enraged Regen which makes you immune to all but oneshots basically, and the +200% damage on charge/leap is indeed extremely good even without the leaper effect.

[Azerate]

The simpler, the better. Now only if the numbers were a bit higher.

[Zendhal The Black]

I think what makes arms especially good is 100% uptime on DBTS (and with few venari upgrades you can buy that off of any vendor in torghast)

combine that with condemn powers and all you have to do is pick any damage modifiers > defensive stuff > utility

[Shelly]

The best is when you have

1x Door of Shadows epic power (cast through them = 20% damage debuff for 30s)
3x Shout debuffs 30% damage (so pierce howl/challenging shout give 90% damage)
Random shout extra duration - hopefully pierce howl, challenging ideally for the 90% debuff to last, but rally cry is nice too (it goes to 1.2m duration)
Random additional shout when you shout - So battle shout will regularly debuff the mobs or give rally cry
100% Condemn damage + Condemn at any health
Condemn 0.5s knockdown
Heroic Leap/Charge gives 200% damage for 4s, really nice with leaper boots.
Slam damage increases when you smash vases x3 = 6000% damage Slam.

So you door of shadows through the mobs for 20%, challenge shout them (off GCD) for 90% damage, CS and then leap for 200% damage and then avatar combined with Execute/Slam. The Slam will hit for several million though, on my layer 8 I had it crit for 2.5million and I didn't even have the 200% heroic leap/charge power.

What's more crazy though is as far as I'm aware Arms is nowhere near the most OP spec in there, even if it is definitely very good.

You do realize the throat ring debuff is only like 6 seconds long and independent of the shouts that apply it right?

[Bigbazz]

You do realize the throat ring debuff is only like 6 seconds long and independent of the shouts that apply it right?

No it's not, it lasts the duration of whatever shout you're using. Do I have to post videos? Oh i already did so just look up and look at the debuff duration.

[Shelly]

No it's not, it lasts the duration of whatever shout you're using. Do I have to post videos? Oh i already did so just look up and look at the debuff duration.

We'll I'll be. Looks like it says duration 45. Good job.

[Strawberry]

Here's a full Layer 8 run in Twisting Corridors. 450k dps on the end boss. Condemn and probably execute is pure massacre in Torghast.
It's great for 1v1 pvp but I guess Kyrian is better for arenas.

[Excaliban]

I just finished Layer 8 of Twisting Corridors on my ilvl 188 Warrior alt, thanks to Condemn and Die by the Sword. There was one boss where I literally pressed only a single button 94 times (Condemn!). Not much fun, but very effective.