Condemn Bot

[Dessicuus]

Condemn is pretty awesome, and is basically carrying all the damage for Warrior. Hopefully the class gets some future love from blizzard, but I particularly love how it feels for fury, and it's not bad for arms either. I feel it could use some changes for prot however. Overall fun spell!

[LazyCoding]

No, you can switch your Covenant. The real meme was 50% DW damage in BFA and you couldn't change it since it was the mastery. NF and Kyrian are good Covenants for Warriors they are just not THE best Raid/ST options. Give up on the best ST and you are fine.

[billw22]

No, you can switch your Covenant. The real meme was 50% DW damage in BFA and you couldn't change it since it was the mastery. NF and Kyrian are good Covenants for Warriors they are just not THE best Raid/ST options. Give up on the best ST and you are fine.

this was just ridiculous

[Baconeggcheese]

Why do people say this as though it would be any different without condemn?

Its replacing execute, the button that the entire spec is based around... why wouldn't it be the focus when maximizing execute was already the focus?

No, you can switch your Covenant. The real meme was 50% DW damage in BFA and you couldn't change it since it was the mastery. NF and Kyrian are good Covenants for Warriors they are just not THE best Raid/ST options. Give up on the best ST and you are fine.

I don't see how this would change anything though, you pick kyrian or night fae and then you drop those abilities on CD and then you... go back to "every fight is maximize execute and cleave it if you can".

I feel like OP's issue is arms current design and not condemn.

[LazyCoding]

I don't see how this would change anything though, you pick kyrian or night fae and then you drop those abilities on CD and then you... go back to "every fight is maximize execute and cleave it if you can".

I feel like OP's issue is arms current design and not condemn.

You don't have to pick Massacre and SD if you are not Ventyr.and without them it is only avaiable sub 20% originally. With other Covenants it is not about "maximizing Execute". People are picking Rend and Skulsplitter.

[Baconeggcheese]

You don't have to pick Massacre and SD if you are not Ventyr.and without them it is only avaiable sub 20% originally. With other Covenants it is not about "maximizing Execute". People are picking Rend and Skulsplitter.

And you still focus around... maximizing execute. Execute is literally why arms warriors are brought to content. Its been their bread and butter for years.

[Ealyssa]

You don't have to pick Massacre and SD if you are not Ventyr.and without them it is only avaiable sub 20% originally. With other Covenants it is not about "maximizing Execute". People are picking Rend and Skulsplitter.

Soooo Blizzard actually succeed at giving different gameplays depending on covenant, but players are derping "Ur DuR MuSt HaVe tH4T 1% OpTimAl SiNgL TarGeT DPS eVeN Wh3N mY gUiLd cAnT cLeAr HeRoIc"

Sad indeed.

[caervek]

Because Execute only works on targets with 20% HP or less, unless you talent it to 35% but then you give up the ability to use WW as filler instead of Slam. Which means it's only available for 20% of the bosses HP bar or 35% if talented.

Condemn on the other hand works on targets with 80% or more HP or 20% or less HP (and gives you damage reduction which is nice for the healers in fights with intensive boss AoE), unless you talent it to 35% (which if you've picked condemn you'd be pretty tarded not too). Which means it's available for 55% of the bosses HP bar (or 40% if untalented).

That's a big difference.

[Shedaar]

Because Execute only works on targets with 20% HP or less, unless you talent it to 35% but then you give up the ability to use WW as filler instead of Slam. Which means it's only available for 20% of the bosses HP bar or 35% if talented.

Condemn on the other hand works on targets with 80% or more HP or 20% or less HP (and gives you damage reduction which is nice for the healers in fights with intensive boss AoE), unless you talent it to 35% (which if you've picked condemn you'd be pretty tarded not too). Which means it's available for 55% of the bosses HP bar (or 40% if untalented).

That's a big differnece.

And also condemn hits harder due to being shadow damange which enhances it even more.

[caervek]

Are we really expected to play this way for an entire expansion?

If you're pushing server/region/world first mythic raid bosses then yes.

If not then no, pick the covenant you prefer and play the way you like.

[Gestopft]

I, for one, enjoy being a Condemn bot.

[Bigbazz]

If you think this is meme you didn't play in Warlords, where Mastery was the best stat but only increased the damage of certain abilities. Execute was by far your top damage on most fights despite that it was only usable for 20% of a fight, not the 55% we have in SL. Whirlwind was the filler, but it wasn't increased by mastery so it did no damage by mid expasion, same for Bladestorm. So your rotation was keep rend up and wait for CS with many auto attack! dump rage and repeat for 80% of fight and then go from bottom of meters to top in the last 20%.

They bandaged it in HFC with trinket + set bonus but the mastery issue remained, as did the Execute bias. The Shadowlands spec aside from Whirlwind actually functions alright as a whole unit, despite being weak right now in PVE and despite the Venthyr bias, and I like the Venthyr gameplay. Still though, I think Arms in 5.3 (MOP) and both iterations of Legion Arms were way, way more fun and worked way better.

[Krawu]

Unfortunately that seems part of the class design for Warrior. The Execute cleave thing has been around since the Legion rework only now Condemn also works above 80%.

If you really dislike the Meat Cleaver playstyle so much you could check out Arms or, if you want something similarly spammy, have a look at Enh. Shaman.

[nocturnus]

I actually like the condemn playstyle; it's the only reason I haven't rerolled.

Does this mean that warriors are fine? No, not by a long shot. Our DPS is still pretty bad; being 2k under hunters, mages, dks, etc. and bringing 0 utility on top of being melee means no one will even consider inviting you to a plus. Granted, my IO rating isn't great at 747, but it's not bad either. No one will invite me if I queue up as dps.

Until we get buffed, it's the tank life. Luckily I kinda enjoy tanking. Who knew.

[Strawberry]

I, for one, enjoy being a Condemn bot.

I love it in PvP with the 15 range talent. Makes me charge everyone on close to full or low hp. Fun!

[LazyCoding]

I love it in PvP with the 15 range talent. Makes me charge everyone on close to full or low hp. Fun!

How can you play with condemn+death sentence ? They are bugged when you pick both. The charecter doesn't do any animation for Condemn. It is not just a small visual problem for me I literally can't play because if there is no anymation I don't know if my Condemn actually goes off or not. Incredibly annoying.
The ability to execute-charge on also full hp targets sounds very fun but the bug...
edit:
Just checked the bug is still there... after monts...

[Fearlof]

I feel like people are complaining too much these days, whenever there is a small thing in the game someone does not agree with they quickly run to the forums and complain, when no one is forcing the issue on you?

There are 3 other covenants, there is also another dps spec? Also multiple classes all available for you if you get tired of current rotation / spec.

No need to force blizzard to changing small things like this is one expansion and then it’s gone, come on the game isn’t just made for you only you know.

[Drusin]

I feel like people are complaining too much these days

Blizz has said before that the forums are a fraction of the playerbase. I would imagine that fraction was smaller back in the day, less people on forums less complaining.

[Darkeon]

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[Jastall]

Condemn is super fun to play and one of the primary reasons I refuse to reroll either class or Covevant. It better become a talent in 10.0 or something.