Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[Kathranis]

Okay, we shouldn't play the 'What If' game here, but...

If Trump was given the opportunity to use the military or whatever other means to stop in Inauguration. He would wouldn't he?

This again is the point. He is trying to overthrow out government. He is just failing at it. That's still a massive crime, especially as POTUS.

That's not how it works. The military is pledged to the Constitution, not the President. They don't just do whatever he says. Especially when he just lost an election and the transition of power is in process. Which is what top brass has said since Veterans Day, a week after the election.

Trump would have had to install loyalists in all levels of the military to actually send that shit through chain of command and that is not what he did.

[Xarkan]

Im never wrong ive predicted most events with 95% accruacy.
Eazy
Rome, Iraq, Ghana, North Korea, Uganda. I can keep going all day.

Remind me..

How was Roman republic not a republic?

[Zaydin]

Was wondering why I couldn't find this thread when I saw mods directing people to it. Because it was made by Kokolums and I have him on ignore.

I can only imagine the attack on the Capitol was a dream come true for him given what he was always posting.

Regardless, I am getting quite a bit of schadenfreude seeing the insurrectionists getting caught & arrested because they were dumb enough to post evidence against themselves on social media.

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Ben Sasse isn't pulling any punches here

In Sasse's editorial, titled "QAnon is Destroying the GOP From Within" the lawmaker states that the riots that took place at the Capitol were not a result of a "few bad apples," but rather a "seed" that Republicans allowed to grow in the party over time, including these theories.

Sasse said that when Trump leaves office, the GOP have a choice to uphold the Constitution, or "become a party of conspiracy theories." "When Trump leaves office, my party faces a choice: We can dedicate ourselves to defending the Constitution and perpetuating our best American institutions and traditions, or we can be a party of conspiracy theories, cable-news fantasies, and the ruin that comes with them," he said. " "We can be the party of Eisenhower, or the party of the conspiracist Alex Jones," Sasse continued, referring to Jones, who is a conspiracy theorist.

In addition, he called efforts by his Republican colleagues including Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) to object to the election results "really dumbass."

Sasse is trying to white wash the last four years and pretend he wasn't enabling Trump the entire time. Sure, he gave Trump mild criticism now and then, but when push came to shove he voted with Trump the overwhelming majority of the time.

[Forogil]

Im never wrong ive predicted most events with 95% accruacy.
Eazy
Rome, Iraq, Ghana, North Korea, Uganda. I can keep going all day.

As I understand the question was why democracies (in contrast to republics) always fail.

So, as examples of democracies - in contrast to republics - always failing you give the following examples:

• Roman republic (which failed).
• Iraq, it's unclear if you mean "The first Iraqi Republic" which fell to Baath rule and was replaced by the "Republic of Iraq", which was overthrown by the US and replaced by the current Iraqi republic.
• The Republic of Ghana
• Democratic People's Republic of Korea (which is failing; but haven't collapsed yet).
• Republic of Uganda

What was the point?

[Gelannerai]

Who says they need to overthrow the goverment? Inflict enough damage in democratic cities and the democrats will cave to any demand.

See, this is you advocating for Americans to commit violence against Americans. See also: advocating for terrorist extremists

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Was wondering why I couldn't find this thread when I saw mods directing people to it. Because it was made by Kokolums and I have him on ignore.

I can only imagine the attack on the Capitol was a dream come true for him given what he was always posting.

Regardless, I am getting quite a bit of schadenfreude seeing the insurrectionists getting caught & arrested because they were dumb enough to post evidence against themselves on social media.

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Sasse is trying to white wash the last four years and pretend he wasn't enabling Trump the entire time. Sure, he gave Trump mild criticism now and then, but when push came to shove he voted with Trump the overwhelming majority of the time.

Also, why is the Republican party upholding Constitutional values only dependent upon Trump leaving office?

[Bodakane]

The Republicans rail against mob rule while touting the rule of law. So they take a mob to DC to try and overrule the rule of law.

Just another blatant example of the conservative hypocrisy that they’ve been perfecting since the 80’s.

[Forogil]

It makes my skin crawl whenever there's people insisting that they're not a democracy "because they're a republic".

I agree that it makes no sense.

It might be that this fallacy is more prevalent in the US due to the two main parties: democrats and republicans; and some mistaken belief that the claim "it's a republic not a democracy" means that the republicans is therefore the true party and the democrats un-American.
Historically the distinction was between "direct democracy" (which the founding father's rejected, but authoritarians normally embrace) and "representative government" (which practically every country has).

[Machismo]

So, you're literally advocating for terrorism.

Also, I'm not terribly worried about your "revolutionaries" from what ive seen so far

Does it really surprise you that German national socialists ( I agree it's a bit on the nose, even for this site) are supporting terrorism and authoritarian rule via violence?

[Felya]

Who says they need to overthrow the goverment? Inflict enough damage in democratic cities and the democrats will cave to any demand.

What country are those cities located? What country are you going to be damaging?

If America does not give in to your demands, what happens? Destroy it? How is that not terrorism?

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Does it really surprise you that German national socialists ( I agree it's a bit on the nose, even for this site) are supporting terrorism and authoritarian rule via violence?

Actually, yes... Germany has done a lot to fight this sort of shit...

[Attackrabbit]

Im never wrong ive predicted most events with 95% accruacy.

'I'm never wrong except the 5% of the time I'm wrong and also ignore the fact that I spelled accuracy wrong' is really not the best argument :s

[Paranoid Android]

That's not how it works. The military is pledged to the Constitution, not the President. They don't just do whatever he says. Especially when he just lost an election and the transition of power is in process. Which is what top brass has said since Veterans Day, a week after the election.

Trump would have had to install loyalists in all levels of the military to actually send that shit through chain of command and that is not what he did.

He did install loyalist. Just two weeks ago he fired many Pentagon top officials. I just read he was trying to install a loyalist at 2nd or high position in CIA and the CIA Director threatened to quit.

My point was him using any means, with the military being the obvious. My BIG point is Trump is still trying to overthrow our government.

[Forogil]

there is a lot of countries that don't have a representative government...

Ah, yes, at least in practice, even though theY claim otherwise.

[gondrin]

Okay then

What are they according to you?

Freedom Fighters? Patriots?

"If crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight?" - George Carlin.

[jonnysensible]

this is good if you havent seen it yet : https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/

[Gaebryel Quintyne]

this is good if you havent seen it yet : https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/

Holy... shit. That's a LOT of videos.

[Zan15]

Holy... shit. That's a LOT of videos.

holy shit...that is a lot of evidence.....

[Gaebryel Quintyne]

holy shit...that is a lot of evidence.....

Oh yeah. That too. lol.

[Noxx79]

Who says they need to overthrow the goverment? Inflict enough damage in democratic cities and the democrats will cave to any demand.
[Infraction]

I thought democratic cities were all burned down by BLM and antifa? Are you telling me that’s a lie.

Terrorists like yourself are incredibly dangerous.

[Gaebryel Quintyne]

Some articles on that same site with the videos:

Why We Published More Than 500 Videos Taken by Parler Users of the Capitol Riot
https://www.propublica.org/article/w...capitol-attack

Before Mob Stormed the Capitol, Days of Security Planning Involved Cabinet Officials and President Trump
https://www.propublica.org/article/b...resident-trump

Inside the Capitol Riot: What the Parler Videos Reveal
https://www.propublica.org/article/i...-videos-reveal
(this article summarizes a bit of what happened on that day... very good read)

Members of Several Well-Known Hate Groups Identified at Capitol Riot
https://www.propublica.org/article/s...t-capitol-riot

“This Political Climate Got My Brother Killed”: Officer Brian Sicknick Died Defending the Capitol. His Family Waits for Answers.
https://www.propublica.org/article/o...cknick-capitol

[Ursus]

Dating apps are starting to ban people who participated in the terrorist attack on the Capitol. It's truly a shame for all the single women out there, the shaman guy with the horns and fur vest was a real catch, he would've made some woman real happy someday.