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    Quote Originally Posted by shimerra View Post
    We have labor unions to thank for that in the US. I wouldn't be surprised if Anarchists glommed onto the movement, but really giving them credit for that movement? Fuck the hell off.
    Have you considered the possibility that the labour movements were inspired by anarchist philosophy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Have you considered the possibility that the labour movements were inspired by anarchist philosophy?

    Sure. And quite a few other sources too. The 8 hour work day movement had quite a diverse set of supporters. Sounds exactly like the kind of thing some anarchists of the time would support although I can't recall specifically who if any did relating to the labor movement at that time other than they were a small faction of their overall movement. The Haymarket rally was probably one of their biggest impacts although if I recall most there were definitely not self-described anarchists and just workers, but organizers were I think. But overall credit for the movement? Meh. Anarchists were basically the Qannon of the movement. Well bad example, Qannon has basically become main stream republicanism. I should say they were what Qannon should be but ended up not being: a fringe movement that latched onto the GOP, or in their case the labor movement, because of some overlap.

    The names of the organizer escapes me but 90% sure he was a self-proclaimed anarchist immigrant because I definitely recall that incident sparking a pretty major anti-immigrant backlash and the courts definitely tried to label them as anarchists in an attempt to discredit the movement. Whether they actually were or weren't wasn't something they were super concerned about.

    The primary driver in the US were labor unions and a reaction to some pretty oppressive acts to employers, which some anarchists were all too happy to join in protesting/opposing. But to give anarchist philosophy the credit is like giving a tree in the forest credit for me wiping me ass. I mean I guess TP is made of paper so you can connect it that way. But really?
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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon-...g-he-was-duped

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    Trump campaign had paid $2.7 million to organizers of rally ahead of Capitol riot: report https://t.co/AbvWbDevaR https://t.co/SILFO7qOhS
    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...405239810?s=19

    Plot thickens.

    By no means in the story it reveals that payments were directing them for insurrection. But they can see if they looked at groups with radical or militant towards the Insurrection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Have you considered the possibility that the labour movements were inspired by anarchist philosophy?
    I consider it quite silly that anarchists would have set about advocating for government-mandated standards and practices.

    Anarchists are just the edgier version of the “highschooler who never grew up” party, the libertarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon-...g-he-was-duped

    "I was duped!" said a man who stormed the capitol shirtless, with an American flag, a painted face, and a fuzzy viking helmet.
    The only sad part of these fucks winding up in jail is that the dumbstruck epiphany that trump swindled them, their chosen media outlets called them antifa, and then trump ducked pardoning them while Biden still became president will sit with them alone in prison, and they won’t be able to communicate their betrayal having dawned on them to the outside world, and that other people nearly as crazy as they are but who didn’t commit any immediate crimes will go on supporting trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Scrolling down that feed, I saw this gem:
    1. Trump runs for Congress in FL

    2. Red Wave - Reps control House/Senate

    3. Trump elected to Speaker of the House & Ted Cruz Senate Majority Leader

    4. Impeach Biden and Kamala at the same time

    5. Both removed

    6. Speaker of House 3rd in line, so Trump Presidency begins ‘23
    I mean, leaving aside the fact that the whole thing is just batshit crazy in the first place, does anyone want to explain to me how he thinks this "red wave" is supposed to remove Biden and Harris when only 14 Democratic Senators are up for reelection in 2022?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I consider it quite silly that anarchists would have set about advocating for government-mandated standards and practices.

    Anarchists are just the edgier version of the “highschooler who never grew up” party, the libertarians.

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    The only sad part of these fucks winding up in jail is that the dumbstruck epiphany that trump swindled them, their chosen media outlets called them antifa, and then trump ducked pardoning them while Biden still became president will sit with them alone in prison, and they won’t be able to communicate their betrayal having dawned on them to the outside world, and that other people nearly as crazy as they are but who didn’t commit any immediate crimes will go on supporting trump.
    So did you just missread the inspired by part or what.

    But leaving that aside, if you see anarchism as an edgy idealogy that says more about you than it does about any anarchist. It goes back way further than US libertartians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    This is huge, and will show that those groups can be deemed terrorist groups by the FBI. Moving forward, that is exactly how they should be treated.

    As for the identity of the person giving them directions, they will eventually be unmasked, and I hope that they have a very uncomfortable time in prison.

    Fuck every single one of these terrorist scumbags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    "Seal them in. Turn on gas."

    That's conspiracy to commit mass murder, as part of a domestic terror attack.

    Find whoever was on the other side of that, and maybe these chucklefucks can share a cell for the next 30+ years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I consider it quite silly that anarchists would have set about advocating for government-mandated standards and practices.

    Anarchists are just the edgier version of the “highschooler who never grew up” party, the libertarians.
    Libertarians are anarchists. Specifically ANCAPS. Anarcho-Capitalists.

    As a rule of thumb the only current of Anarchist thought that has actually done anything worthwhile and which presents practical and applicable ideas are Anarcho Syndicalists.

    They effectively shaped the western labor movement along with Socialists throughout the 20th century, much of the legal framework and theory behind non-profits, co-operatives and more are derived from or a product of Anarcho-Syndicalists.

    They do get scoffed at by "real" leftist anarchists because they are "too practical" and "gradualist" and too willing to engage in both in the market economy and politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Libertarians are anarchists. Specifically ANCAPS. Anarcho-Capitalists.

    As a rule of thumb the only current of Anarchist thought that has actually done anything worthwhile and which presents practical and applicable ideas are Anarcho Syndicalists.

    They effectively shaped the western labor movement along with Socialists throughout the 20th century, much of the legal framework and theory behind non-profits, co-operatives and more are derived from or a product of Anarcho-Syndicalists.

    They do get scoffed at by "real" leftist anarchists because they are "too practical" and "gradualist" and too willing to engage in both in the market economy and politics.
    Ancaps ignore pretty much everything that makes anarchism well.. anarchism. Replacing the state by all powerfull corperations is the exact same thing.. without the democracy.

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    Supposed "anarchists" only support "survival of the strongest" whether they realize it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Supposed "anarchists" only support "survival of the strongest" whether they realize it or not.
    The A on his belt is for Anarchy!!!!



    Edit: Why would an ancient villain of immense power put their initial on a belt? Because villains have communal laundry and ending up with Magneto’s belt is embarrassing. The red just clashes with blue... and the fit is just off... Dazzler would just give them endless shit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    The A on his belt is for Anarchy!!!!
    Now now...
    During his little spat with Loki when he jeeringly told him how humanity would fight the gods themselves I almost cheered.

    Although later on I did wonder why super...people...use descriptive names that informed others of their powers...ergo possible weaknesses...? Sure, the old guard I get, but the new kids...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Libertarians are anarchists. Specifically ANCAPS. Anarcho-Capitalists.

    As a rule of thumb the only current of Anarchist thought that has actually done anything worthwhile and which presents practical and applicable ideas are Anarcho Syndicalists.

    They effectively shaped the western labor movement along with Socialists throughout the 20th century, much of the legal framework and theory behind non-profits, co-operatives and more are derived from or a product of Anarcho-Syndicalists.

    They do get scoffed at by "real" leftist anarchists because they are "too practical" and "gradualist" and too willing to engage in both in the market economy and politics.
    Except, libertarians understand that government does actually have a place... just a very small one. That's not anarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Although later on I did wonder why super...people...use descriptive names that informed others of their powers...ergo possible weaknesses...? Sure, the old guard I get, but the new kids...
    Well... Imagine if they don’t... Peter!!! Have you had contact with Steve? I know Ben, Reed, Johnny and Sue are in the way... It sounds more like brunch...

    Captain Anarchy?...
    I know!!!! Ridiculous...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Ancaps ignore pretty much everything that makes anarchism well.. anarchism. Replacing the state by all powerfull corperations is the exact same thing.. without the democracy.
    So, how exactly do you plan on achieving your communist utopia without the use of authoritarian force?

    I'm pretty sure you are the same person who wants the government to take over all industries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Supposed "anarchists" only support "survival of the strongest" whether they realize it or not.
    So does capitalism.........hmmmmmm

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