1. #4381
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    The good news is that she's a fucking simpleton and shouldn't;t be able to outwit the FBI.
    Considering she just got her GED 8 months before she was elected to congress, it isn't surprising she is a fucking moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Considering she just got her GED 8 months before she was elected to congress, it isn't surprising she is a fucking moron.
    TBF, that doesn't mean someone is a moron. There's numerous reasons someone has to get a GED and most have nothing to do with intelligence.

    That she's a Qanon trump cultist, is proof she's dumber than a bucket of shrimp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Well, there is that saying that if you ask anyone in jail/prison, they will all tell you they are innocent. That their lawyers screwed them or some other reason why. That is why there are prisons, to keep the innocent people locked up.

    Hmm, I hope these Congressmen have a pretty good lawyer if this happens to go anywhere.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/04/polit...ers/index.html
    Should be extremely interesting to see how these investigations play out. I sincerely hope some of the more fringe House Members see jail time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    He should be lucky that he isn't looking at treason charges.
    To play devil's advocate, treason is not appropriate here. Treason fundamentally requires supporting the efforts of some enemy of the USA.

    Rebellion or insurrection, and seditious conspiracy, however, absolutely.

    18 USC Ch. 115 §2383 through §2385, rather than §2381 or §2382, basically.

  5. #4385
    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    IMO -- let Trump run again and split the GOP. He'll be old as balls and suffer from the "no one likes to vote for a loser" problem in politics. The political calculation I see is the risk of Trump getting re-elected is lower than the damage the Dems will suffer for barring him. Plus nothing would stop the GOP from revoking that in 2022 if they take back Congress.
    I agree. The best thing democrats could do is encourage a Trump reelection by saying "good, it would guarantee victory for us. He couldn't get it done in 2020 even with attempted cheating and he'll lose again now." If they lack any semblance of fear and treat him like a joke, many others will start to view him as the loser he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastard View Post
    I agree. The best thing democrats could do is encourage a Trump reelection by saying "good, it would guarantee victory for us. He couldn't get it done in 2020 even with attempted cheating and he'll lose again now." If they lack any semblance of fear and treat him like a joke, many others will start to view him as the loser he is.
    Don't underestimate these people. That is what got us into the mess to begin with. They might be stupid, ignorant, or both but no one can say otherwise that they aren't highly motivated, funded, and prepared. They are working around the clock to make sure their people can vote and people against them can't at almost every state law house right now across the country. They also are weeding out the people that actually followed the law in this round of elections when it came to vote counting and certifications and are replacing them with people that certainly won't in the next. Trump also brought out a metric shit ton of people even if it was fewer than Biden. The game plan is 100% simple for them. Stop people that will vote for Biden from being able to vote and have people in place that will accept the conspiracy against Trump or any other Republican candidate the next go around. Keep the "us (saviors) against them (traitors)" rage boiling that their people will believe even if they saw Trump pull out the gun and shot someone in time square like he himself said they would. In 2ish years we will see if Democrats remain motivated or if they let the red wave wash over the mid-terms and then also have a crap ton of momentum going into the Presidential 2 years after that. Let's not forget Democrats have a big tendency to occasionally show up and then disappear for a while when it comes to elections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Low Hanging Fruit View Post
    Don't underestimate these people. That is what got us into the mess to begin with.
    Is it? Or was it that everyone, Republicans and Democrats alike, tried their best to prevent him from running and managed to turn a lazy orange turd who has had everything in life handed to him into some sort of downtrodden underdog? Amazingly they turned "unqualified" into a POSITIVE thing. By playing the same game again it only serves to have the same results. Your post speaks a lot of truth but unfortunately if he decides, he'll end up running despite efforts to stop him. Any attempt will only be seen as "fear of a strong and powerful man" and if Trump isn't seen as powerful he has nothing. He'll already have a fair amount of support from idiots who don't know what election fraud actually is, and when the "gubment" makes efforts to prevent him from running it will only confirm for them that the election WAS stolen from him. Treat him like a non-threat and instead it'll be viewed that he lost fair and square.

    Nah, I still think the best way to handle this is to treat him like a loser who isn't a threat (whether or not it's genuinely true). It will never sway the diehards but NOTHING will, so instead sway the people you can. Trump has ALWAYS aaaaaalways been about "public image" over actual facts, so you strip him of his only power by treating him like an impotent wimp.

  8. #4388
    Quote Originally Posted by Nastard View Post
    I agree. The best thing democrats could do is encourage a Trump reelection by saying "good, it would guarantee victory for us. He couldn't get it done in 2020 even with attempted cheating and he'll lose again now." If they lack any semblance of fear and treat him like a joke, many others will start to view him as the loser he is.
    You saw Jan 6th right? The problem isn’t him losing, it’s what happens in the wake of another loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastard View Post
    Is it? Or was it that everyone, Republicans and Democrats alike, tried their best to prevent him from running and managed to turn a lazy orange turd who has had everything in life handed to him into some sort of downtrodden underdog? Amazingly they turned "unqualified" into a POSITIVE thing. By playing the same game again it only serves to have the same results. Your post speaks a lot of truth but unfortunately if he decides, he'll end up running despite efforts to stop him. Any attempt will only be seen as "fear of a strong and powerful man" and if Trump isn't seen as powerful he has nothing. He'll already have a fair amount of support from idiots who don't know what election fraud actually is, and when the "gubment" makes efforts to prevent him from running it will only confirm for them that the election WAS stolen from him. Treat him like a non-threat and instead it'll be viewed that he lost fair and square.

    Nah, I still think the best way to handle this is to treat him like a loser who isn't a threat (whether or not it's genuinely true). It will never sway the diehards but NOTHING will, so instead sway the people you can. Trump has ALWAYS aaaaaalways been about "public image" over actual facts, so you strip him of his only power by treating him like an impotent wimp.
    I am confused how you took anything I said as us having to treat Trump like anything but a loser. Just don't be the French army in 1940 where you are leaning on your past victory and not being ready for the next. It doesn't even have to be Trump that rises next from their ranks. Probably won't be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Low Hanging Fruit View Post
    I am confused how you took anything I said as us having to treat Trump like anything but a loser. Just don't be the French army in 1940 where you are leaning on your past victory and not being ready for the next. It doesn't even have to be Trump that rises next from their ranks. Probably won't be.
    Only the first part of my reply was in direct response to you. I sorta went off on a tangent after that first point. I agree with pretty much the rest of what you said, particularly the complacency Democrats seem to have when they think they've won. I think that was part of the reason Trump won in 2016 - so many assumed Hilary was winning they didn't bother voting. Don't get me wrong, I also think Trump is a legitimate threat and a precursor to an even bigger threat. The next time a fascist rises from the ranks it will be someone smarter and understands the bureaucracy of government so he'll know how to work the system. We got lucky Trump is kind of a moron and next time we won't be.

    I just believe my approach to that differs to how others would go about it. Regardless of response, that kind of person is going to gain some amount of traction, so trying to shut them down as a few others in this thread are suggesting just turns them into a political martyr. When an outsider promising to "change the system" is then viewed as being shut down by that very system, it only leads to extra support against corruption. It turns into "this guy is one of us and he's going against the bad guys!" even IF that guy is the true villain. I think that the best way to combat Trump is by turning his public image into that of a failure. It also has the benefit of hurting Trump personally since he believes a loser is the worst thing a person can be.

  11. #4391
    https://theweek.com/speedreads/97039...n-capitol-riot

    Federico Klein, a former State Department aide who worked on former President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign, was arrested Thursday on charges related to the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, the FBI announced Thursday night.

    This is the first known instance of a Trump appointee facing prosecution in connection with the attack, Politico reports. An FBI Washington Field Office spokeswoman told Politico that Klein, 42, was taken into custody in Virginia, but did not release any information on the charges against him.

    Federal Election Commission records show Klein worked as a tech analyst for the 2016 Trump campaign, Politico says, and after the election he was hired at the State Department. A federal directory from last summer lists Klein as a special assistant in the Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs, making him a "Schedule C" political appointee, Politico reports.
    Cool, so we have former Trump campaign staff/political appointees who worked in the federal government attending an attempted insurrection. That's like, pretty sweet, yo.

  12. #4392
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://theweek.com/speedreads/97039...n-capitol-riot



    Cool, so we have former Trump campaign staff/political appointees who worked in the federal government attending an attempted insurrection. That's like, pretty sweet, yo.
    I am surprised there hasn't been more, but then again, they are just like Roger Stone or the leader of the Oathkeepers, they let the lower ranked people or friends do the dirty work after they they rile them up. And then when they get arrested, people like Roger Stone, or Trump, don't know these people anymore.

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    Sooooo, the FBI tweeted out a picture of a rioter they are still trying to ID. The internet laughs at first saying, “Clearly that’s Jay Johnston from Mr. Show and Bob’s Burgers!” Then people who know and work with Johnston confirmed that it was in fact the comedian.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/timheidec...12590969794570

    So, the FBI couldn’t identify an actor who has been working steadily in TV for the last 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    You saw Jan 6th right? The problem isn’t him losing, it’s what happens in the wake of another loss.
    Without Trump lackeys in the DoD & DoJ you wouldn't see what happened on Jan. 6th happen ever again.

    The reason that it happened is that higher-ups wanted, and let it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    You saw Jan 6th right? The problem isn’t him losing, it’s what happens in the wake of another loss.
    Yeah Ted Lieu said it during the impeachment trial:
    “ I’m not afraid of Donald Trump running again in four years. I’m afraid he's going to run again and lose. Because he can do this again.””

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    Accusing former President Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Rudy Giuliani and Republican Congressman Mo Brooks of having incited rioters to breach the U.S. Capitol, Democratic Representative Eric Swalwell demanded money damages Friday in a federal complaint against the quartet.

    Since only the U.S. attorney general can seek a criminal conviction of a former president, the suit joins an ongoing series of civil litigation related to the political insurrection of Jan. 6. Congressman Bennie Thompson, a fellow Democrat, fired the first shot on Feb. 16, invoking the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871 in his suit against Trump, Giuliani, the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers — two extremist groups said to have plotted January’s attempted coup.
    https://www.courthousenews.com/congr...ts-sues-trump/

    Yeah boi! Probably won't go anywhere, but this is good shit. These fucks were responsible for whipping the mob into a frenzy.

  17. #4397
    BREAKING: In a memo, the @USChamber attempts to provide cover to corporations to resume donating to the 147 Republicans who voted to overturn the election

    "We do not believe it's appropriate to judge members of Congress solely based on their votes on the electoral certification"
    https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status...137629188?s=19

    So in other threads and here we talked about possible effectiveness of corporate donations.
    Well, as some of this expected didn't last long.

    The memo written by @USChamber's National Political Director, @ashleewrich, argues that only members of Congress involved in "organizing the rally of January 6th or continuing to push debunked conspiracy theories" are culpable

    FULL MEMO: https://t.co/uvCltLoMrj
    So they are saying avoid who you thinks was super blatant. But again the right has done the best of 'nothing to see here', that donations to like of Hawley will resume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    You saw Jan 6th right? The problem isn’t him losing, it’s what happens in the wake of another loss.
    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    Yeah Ted Lieu said it during the impeachment trial:
    “ I’m not afraid of Donald Trump running again in four years. I’m afraid he's going to run again and lose. Because he can do this again.””
    Trump running again and losing in four years would still be 10,000 times better than him running again and winning in four years.

    I invite any and all batshit insane nonsense from Trump’s cultists if he loses, because what he and they would do with him victorious would inevitably be worse.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

  19. #4399
    Some of those lawsuits are about paying his damn bills. The fucker is too toxic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saninicus View Post
    I don't think he's going to run in 2024. Main reason being his health. The second being the mountain of lawsuits he's facing
    Well I certainly hope so. I don’t even want to invite the possibility of Trump being in the running.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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