1. #4541
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    And under Trump, it was the laughing stock of the world, he literally went to the UN and got fucking laughed at, you go to any other country besides Russia and North Korea, and they probably are happy that Joe Biden is in. Because he knows what the fuck he is talking about.
    In case anyone needed a reminder: still my favorite trump speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I guess dates confuse you? Trump era isn't over - he's still driving the GQP into the ground, with lies, treason, lies, and calls to violence. We're still investigating him for multiple felonies. Not sure how you can say the Trump Era is "over" when his infection is still spreading.


    Who was thrown under the bus again? Holy fuck you are so out of touch with reality at this point.

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    Who falls below him?
    Guessing Andrew Jackson and Andrew Johnson are contending for worst,both were horrifically fucking racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    How quickly you throw your own under bus.
    This comment alone is so telling of your mindset.

    You see this as being a conflict between "sides", when it flatly isn't. Or at least, not anywhere close to as few as two.

    You think that anyone on your "side" should get your unwavering, unthinking support, no matter what they say or believe, just for being on your "side"; that's the root of why you're calling people out for condemning Maher, even though he's on their "side". This, of course, is just blind cultism; you're accusing people of not being blind, ignorant cultists, but instead thinking for themselves. That you think that's a negative is, wow, talk about the quiet part out loud.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    In case anyone needed a reminder: still my favorite trump speech.
    Wow - and he knows they are laughing at him, too. Certainly one of my favorites of his enormous retinue of embarrassments he laid upon this nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post

    Who falls below him?
    If I had to guess, 1) buchannon (lead up to civil war), 2) johnson (decisions after civil war allowing racism to fester) and 3) harding (scandals). Grant should be pretty low on the list for his incompetent leadership and the scandals that happened, but civil war general, so yeah, not as low as harding, who, in actuality, he's the peer of. I'd rate trump below everyone but buchannon and johnson for sure, and those two are up for debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanrefni View Post
    Guessing Andrew Jackson and Andrew Johnson are contending for worst,both were horrifically fucking racist.
    You'd be surprised. Jackson was a racist, but he expanded US territorial holdings a lot. Highly regarded for that, regardless of how he did it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    If I had to guess, 1) buchannon (lead up to civil war), 2) johnson (decisions after civil war allowing racism to fester) and 3) harding (scandals). Grant should be pretty low on the list for his incompetent leadership and the scandals that happened, but civil war general, so yeah, not as low as harding, who, in actuality, he's the peer of. I'd rate trump below everyone but buchannon and johnson for sure, and those two are up for debate.

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    You'd be surprised. Jackson was a racist, but he expanded US territorial holdings a lot. Highly regarded for that, regardless of how he did it.
    It wasn't just a little racism,he's the one responsible for the Trail of Tears and all the suffering and death it brought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanrefni View Post
    Guessing Andrew Jackson and Andrew Johnson are contending for worst,both were horrifically fucking racist.
    Hoover probably rates in the bottom five on that list as well. We'll never be able to accurately rate them, short of time travel, but I'm guess each era would believe theirs to be the worst. Although - pre/during/post-civil war the Confederate Flag never flew in the Capital, except when Trump called his idiots to action. Perhaps that is a good measure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    If I had to guess, 1) buchannon (lead up to civil war), 2) johnson (decisions after civil war allowing racism to fester) and 3) harding (scandals). Grant should be pretty low on the list for his incompetent leadership and the scandals that happened, but civil war general, so yeah, not as low as harding, who, in actuality, he's the peer of. I'd rate trump below everyone but buchannon and johnson for sure, and those two are up for debate.
    Have to agree, that's definitely a more reasoned list than mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    In case anyone needed a reminder: still my favorite trump speech.
    Oh, absolutely, but only fucking conservatives think that Trump was the best thing to happen since white bread. Yet, he is probably going to be known as the worst president since Andrew Jackson as far as social issues, and the worst president since Hoover on economic issues, especially since he is the first president since Hoover to actually lose more jobs than when he started as president.

  9. #4549
    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    The next few years are going to be entertaining to see how you will fuck up your country even more.
    Well at least you think Trump fucked it up earlier..
    Although it does amuse that the current economic growth, dropping unemployment rate, vaccination rate growing...is a loser for you.
    Maybe if you lived in this country you'd think differently.
    Or maybe you'd have joined those failures assaulting the Capitol police and be arrested...

  10. #4550
    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    At the moment you are not winning at all . The woke politics make America the laughing stock of the world.
    I forget, which recent orange president got laughed at by every country in the world? It's on the tip of my paying a pornstar campaign funds, like I put out every unpopular policy which resulted in failure after failure.

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  11. #4551
    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post

    How quickly you throw your own under bus.
    Big yikes, being able to think for one self is actually a nice thing. All you know is that indoctrination you've been fed, I legit feel pity for you.

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  12. #4552
    Quote Originally Posted by Lanrefni View Post
    Guessing Andrew Jackson and Andrew Johnson are contending for worst,both were horrifically fucking racist.
    Don't overlook Wilson. As much as he may have accomplished he was just as accomplished in pushing the racist narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    How quickly you throw your own under bus. Will not be long before liberals and wokist will start a political civil war.
    Wokist? Like Sunkist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanrefni View Post
    It wasn't just a little racism,he's the one responsible for the Trail of Tears and all the suffering and death it brought.
    You don't have to tell me. The thing is, every US gov't before the civil war was presiding over slavery. The trail of tears was bad, yes, but it's not really much different than everything else that was going on before 1861. Making it a cause celebre, when it was just one mote amid a storm doesn't really hold when you put it in the context of the shit show that was the US back then. The presidents who rank low on historians' lists are generally shitty even when using the morals of the time period within which they lived.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudol Von Stroheim View Post
    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    How quickly you throw your own under bus. Will not be long before liberals and wokist will start a political civil war.
    Just because someone wears the same shirt as you doesn't mean you're obligated to tolerate them when they act shitty. Though really that says a lot about the Conservatives' absolute unwillingness to hold each-other accountable when they're being god awful people.

    Anyway, anymore tired buzzwords or derailments you wanna get out there before you get banned again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanrefni View Post
    It wasn't just a little racism,he's the one responsible for the Trail of Tears and all the suffering and death it brought.
    Jackson was an aggressively shitty person but most Presidential rankings put him in the middle. Most of the Presidents between Jackson and Lincoln were pretty poor. A lot of them were racist and incompetent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...storian_Survey
    I'll use this particular ranking since it has an equal justice rating (PEJ). Obviously Jackson ranks poorly here but so does every President after him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Who falls below him?
    James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson according to the latest ranking.

    Per Wikipedia, the other presidents most frequently ranked in the bottom 25% are William Henry Harrison, John Tyler, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Ulysses S. Grant, and Warren G. Harding. And Grant has tended to rank much higher in recent years as historians take a more measured look at his presidency beyond the scandals (which were largely the result of grifters convincing him they could be trusted members of his administration, and subsequently demonstrating they could not be; Grant had a tendency to trust too easily). Actually, if you want a good biography on Grant, Robert Chernow's is fantastic (and probably taught me more about the Civil War than school did).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Jackson was an aggressively shitty person but most Presidential rankings put him in the middle.
    Probably because most Presidential rankings are themselves aggressively shitty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Probably because most Presidential rankings are themselves aggressively shitty.
    Or actual historians can actually pick apart his presidency and figure out the things he did right and wrong. Jackson used to be very highly ranked because older historians over-looked his racist actions. Modern historians don't that but there's a reason he's considered better than the likes of Buchanan and Johnson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Or actual historians can actually pick apart his presidency and figure out the things he did right and wrong. Jackson used to be very highly ranked because older historians over-looked his racist actions. Modern historians don't that but there's a reason he's considered better than the likes of Buchanan and Johnson.
    I can't think of anything that would offset a feverishly pro-slavery stance combined with ethnic cleansing, but ok.
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