Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[cubby]

I hope he is playing both sides and plans to do the right thing anyways. Because the alternative is him retiring and this being him flipping the nation the bird and telling us to get fucked on his way out the door and basically doing what he can to burn the place down on his way out, potentially because he knows either the Republicans or the "Liberals" are going to get power soon and he would rather the Republicans get it and continue to do damage than ever risk having the libs get a shot at governance.

I can't see him doing the "flip-the-bird" option, but I also can't rule it out.

Manchin has a very conservative constituency to appease in WV. We're damn lucky just to have him as (D) frankly. And in the past six months we've seen him back most of Biden's major measures, ones that were necessary for him to vote yes on. The Voting Rights Act can't be passed with Reconciliation, so Manchin coming out against it makes sense - he appeases his conservative voters, and doesn't impact significantly.

The big ticket item, as we all know, is the filibuster. Right now he's "against" it. But there is room to maneuver since the GOP blocked the Jan 6 Joint Committee bill (interestingly, two Dems actually missed the vote - not just Sienna - but it would have still fallen short). The infrastructure Bill is coming up soon, and it has bipartisan backing. If it doesn't pass, even after a bipartisan team of Senators worked it up, that might be the straw that pushed Manchin-the-Camel over.

And, to be clear, I'm exceedingly frustrated by all this bullshit maneuvering. Pisses me off when there is so much to be done and everyone is taking their sweet time. However, it bares remembering, these same shenanigans kept the ACA from being fully repealed back when the GOP had control.

[Fugus]

@cubby

I thought I recall the ONLY thing keeping the ACA from being repealed was John McCain being on his death bed and knowing it will be how he was remembered doing the right thing and voting against the repeal. Outside of that, we would have lost it.

The only reason McConnel was willing to even hold the vote was because he figured he had the votes to remove it. Still remember the video when McCain did the thumbs down.

[cubby]

@cubby

I thought I recall the ONLY thing keeping the ACA from being repealed was John McCain being on his death bed and knowing it will be how he was remembered doing the right thing and voting against the repeal. Outside of that, we would have lost it.

The only reason McConnel was willing to even hold the vote was because he figured he had the votes to remove it. Still remember the video when McCain did the thumbs down.

That is how it played out, but the vote was close the entire time, and it cost McConnell a Reconciliation vote, IIRC.

(great video - agreed)

[Edge-]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/14/polit...ent/index.html

The FBI has warned lawmakers that online QAnon conspiracy theorists may carry out more acts of violence as they move from serving as "digital soldiers" to taking action in the real world following the January 6 US Capitol attack.

The shift is fueled by a belief among some of the conspiracy's more militant followers that they "can no longer 'trust the plan" set forth by its mysterious standard-bearer, known simply as "Q," according an unclassified FBI threat assessment on QAnon sent to lawmakers last week, which was obtained by CNN.

But the report suggests the failure of QAnon predictions to materialize has not led to followers abandoning the conspiracy. Instead, there's a belief that individuals need to take greater control of the direction of the movement than before.

I genuinely hope that if these nutters do anything it's going after their own. Let them all dox, harass, and harm each other as they fight over "the plan" from a fuckin pedo guy. It's genuinely terrifying that people are this deeply stupid and disturbed, and I hope law enforcement takes this shit seriously.

At least the law enforcement members that aren't part of this fuckin joke of a cult. Seriously, this has to be the lamest cult in US history.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/capito...f-putin-summit

Bogdanov introduced Barnett, who was arrested following the Capitol raid and subsequently released pending trial, as “an American patriot” who protested against “the stolen election.” The network showcased clips from his exploits at the Capitol, where he wielded a stun-gun, stole mail from Pelosi’s office, and left a threatening note to the House Speaker.

Seemingly unaware of Russia’s notorious prison system, Barnett complained about the conditions of his brief imprisonment, alleged beatings of other “patriots” with whom he was detained, and threats he had received since his arrest.

Yo, why are these insurrectionists getting sympathetic spots on Russian state TV? That's weird, no?

[gondrin]

Riddle me this, when does a politician not know what office they are running for? When they are a person who is a big enough alcoholic that they have to steal and drink wine in the middle of a riot, that's who. This person goes by the name of Jason Riddle.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=uxbndlbing

[cubby]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/14/polit...ent/index.html

The FBI has warned lawmakers that online QAnon conspiracy theorists may carry out more acts of violence as they move from serving as "digital soldiers" to taking action in the real world following the January 6 US Capitol attack.

The shift is fueled by a belief among some of the conspiracy's more militant followers that they "can no longer 'trust the plan" set forth by its mysterious standard-bearer, known simply as "Q," according an unclassified FBI threat assessment on QAnon sent to lawmakers last week, which was obtained by CNN.

But the report suggests the failure of QAnon predictions to materialize has not led to followers abandoning the conspiracy. Instead, there's a belief that individuals need to take greater control of the direction of the movement than before.

I genuinely hope that if these nutters do anything it's going after their own. Let them all dox, harass, and harm each other as they fight over "the plan" from a fuckin pedo guy. It's genuinely terrifying that people are this deeply stupid and disturbed, and I hope law enforcement takes this shit seriously.

At least the law enforcement members that aren't part of this fuckin joke of a cult. Seriously, this has to be the lamest cult in US history.

There is some interesting fiction out there suggesting that the near-future of america includes an Ameristan, where people like the Q-Non's are great in number, and live in their own bubble world, supplied by AI driven media feeds that drive the person's echo chamber. Everything I've seen from the Nutter's Brigades says that future is rapidly approaching.

We are in the Post-Fact Era

https://www.thedailybeast.com/capito...f-putin-summit

Bogdanov introduced Barnett, who was arrested following the Capitol raid and subsequently released pending trial, as “an American patriot” who protested against “the stolen election.” The network showcased clips from his exploits at the Capitol, where he wielded a stun-gun, stole mail from Pelosi’s office, and left a threatening note to the House Speaker.

Seemingly unaware of Russia’s notorious prison system, Barnett complained about the conditions of his brief imprisonment, alleged beatings of other “patriots” with whom he was detained, and threats he had received since his arrest.

Yo, why are these insurrectionists getting sympathetic spots on Russian state TV? That's weird, no?

The total volume of treason committed by Trump with Russia with either never be found, or never be revealed to the general public.

[beanman12345]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/15/polit...ote/index.html

21 republicans who "ALWAYS support the blue" in their own words, except ya know.... when they don't

If republicans didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all.

[Edge-]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ac2_story.html

Apparently Rep. Andrew Clyde, one of the, "Jan. 6 was just like a normal tour!" ran into Office Michael Fanone in a Capitol elevator. Fanone, for reference, is the beardy dude you've likely seen interviewed talking about the brutality of the attacks against Capitol police on Jan. 6 and suffered a mild concussion and heart attack as a result of the attacks he suffered.

He greeted Rep. Clyde and offered to shake his hand, a normal gesture between people greeting each other. Rep. Clyde declined,.

Rep. Clyde is anti-police, anti-law enforcement, and pro-riot/insurrection. Fuck Rep. Clyde, and fuck everyone that votes for him moving forward.

[Saltysquidoon]

I know I'm many months late to the party here, but I truly hope that republican's/trump supports learned from this LARP:
People in power will always act to protect that power;
The political class will act in the interests of the political class first and party lines second (the public being a distant w/e); and;
The rich and powerful see you as nothing more than disposable, deniable tools who once having served their purpose belong in the trash heap with the rest of the 'undesirables' (that they so desperately want you to hate).

They are unworthy of your trust or loyalty because you will receive none in turn.

[Masark]

He greeted Rep. Clyde and offered to shake his hand, a normal gesture between people greeting each other. Rep. Clyde declined,.

Rep. Clyde is anti-police, anti-law enforcement, and pro-riot/insurrection. Fuck Rep. Clyde, and fuck everyone that votes for him moving forward.

Clyde should have been offered a Shawinigan handshake.

[postman1782]

In other news, Michael Flynn may be getting charges against him soon for advocating his "Mynamar style coup", from one of the Qtards at that Q event a couple weeks ago.

https://www.rawstory.com/michael-fly...charges-brief/

I already posted a story, I think here, that service members, even after they retire, could face court martials, but here is the link again if anyone didn't see it: https://www.military.com/daily-news/...t-decides.html

But what this stated in the article, is that some Texas law professor tried to file a brief that retired servicemembers cannot be court martialed, even though last year an appeals court said they could be.

So, they are looking into charges if anything, and I hope they go through with it. The dumbass should be in prison right now, not pardoned and advocating for the overthrow of the government that is honoring his shitty pardon.

[gondrin]

Well, The Proud Boys have started to sell BLM and anti-Trump t-shirts as everything else they sell gets rejected. No, seriously. This is what they are doing as no card processors will work with him. Maybe not being part of an insurrection prevents that from happening. You know, the whole actions have consequences thing.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...?ocid=msedgntp

[Diaphin]

Well, The Proud Boys have started to sell BLM and anti-Trump t-shirts as everything else they sell gets rejected. No, seriously. This is what they are doing as no card processors will work with him. Maybe not being part of an insurrection prevents that from happening. You know, the whole actions have consequences thing.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...?ocid=msedgntp

Isn't that the literal definition of turning into a beta-cuck?

[Ivanstone]

Isn't that the literal definition of turning into a beta-cuck?

No.


Grifters are going to grift. I’m sure Gavin McInnes is probably making some extra cash before relocating to a country with a weak extradition treaty.

[PhaelixWW]

Well, The Proud Boys have started to sell BLM and anti-Trump t-shirts as everything else they sell gets rejected. No, seriously. This is what they are doing as no card processors will work with him. Maybe not being part of an insurrection prevents that from happening. You know, the whole actions have consequences thing.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...?ocid=msedgntp

I view this as, like, their attempted defense of their morality:

"No, I can't be racist, because I have a black friend! (wait, no...) I make money off of black people being killed by the police (argh...) I support BLM! (yeah, that's the one, phew!)"

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/stat...31457283207170

So uh...I guess some of the folks who stormed the Capitol are pretty unhappy that BLM/antifa/FBI are getting all the credit for their handiwork. Apparently this guys nickname is "Cowboy Screech" on account of the passing resemblance to the character from Saved by the Bell. What a wild world.

[beanman12345]

First person sentenced. 49 year old grandma. 3 years probation. This is a VERY low level case, but big win for fed's.

Should it have been more? yes. But that's our justice system, just abuse the plea deal agreement. Works well for white seditious traitors, not so well for low level drug offenders.

But damn though, 3 years probation for just being a normal tourist right?

https://www.wthr.com/article/news/lo...9-fd264bba5808

[Endus]

First person sentenced. 49 year old grandma. 3 years probation. This is a VERY low level case, but big win for fed's.

Should it have been more? yes. But that's our justice system, just abuse the plea deal agreement. Works well for white seditious traitors, not so well for low level drug offenders.

But damn though, 3 years probation for just being a normal tourist right?

https://www.wthr.com/article/news/lo...9-fd264bba5808

To play devil's advocate, it appears that this case was one of the simplest to prosecute; the only things they were charging her with involved basically just following the crowd into the building; the four charges they originally filed only included stuff like "entering and remaining in a restricted building", "disorderly and disruptive conduct", and "parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building". No damage to property, no B&E, no assaults, just basically "being there".

And for that, 3 years probation, 120 hours of community service, and a $500 fine. Seems okay, since it's just a misdemeanor she pled to.

What this does do is set a baseline; none of the 500 or so charged should expect any less than this.

[beanman12345]

To play devil's advocate, it appears that this case was one of the simplest to prosecute; the only things they were charging her with involved basically just following the crowd into the building; the four charges they originally filed only included stuff like "entering and remaining in a restricted building", "disorderly and disruptive conduct", and "parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building". No damage to property, no B&E, no assaults, just basically "being there".

And for that, 3 years probation, 120 hours of community service, and a $500 fine. Seems okay, since it's just a misdemeanor she pled to.

What this does do is set a baseline; none of the 500 or so charged should expect any less than this.

Not playing devils advocate, I said this is is a low level case. But "just basically being there" is not a good argument imo, when the simple act of "just basically being there" is committing by the wording of the law, seditious conspiracy. But that's our fucked justice system as I said.

[Endus]

Not playing devils advocate, I said this is is a low level case. But "just basically being there" is not a good argument imo, when the simple act of "just basically being there" is committing by the wording of the law, seditious conspiracy. But that's our fucked justice system as I said.

Settling these charges does not provide her immunity to further charges.

I imagine they're holding off on sedition charges until they're applied to the most obvious conspirators. Once they've got a seditious conspiracy established as a point of legal precedence, it gets much simpler to tie others into it.