Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

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https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/pol...upporters.html

Shouldn't be paywalled (the related article is), NYT put together a fantastic video about the Jan. 6 riot. It goes chronologically through the events, I'm halfway through and it does a great job of showing how coordinated a lot of it was and the violence/hate/rage from the rioters, as well was the miscommunications and how wholly unprepared Capitol PD and other law enforcement were.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...057_story.html

And the House is creating a Select Committee to investigate. Republicans are very unhappy since it's a "partisan" Committee, but they honestly don't have any grounds to complain given that they voted down the Independent Commission, with members appointed by leadership from both parties in a bipartisan/non-partisan fashion. If they didn't want a "partisan" investigation, they should have backed the Independent Commission.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/oat...rs-2021-06-30/

Alabama resident Mark Grods, 54, could face more than five years in prison and a fine of up to $200,000 after pleading guilty to the riot-related charges, according to U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta, who received Grods' guilty plea at a hearing in Washington. A sentence will be imposed at a future hearing.

As part of his plea agreement, Grods agreed to cooperate with prosecutors and give trial and grand jury testimony, he confirmed to the judge.

Another guilty plea and glowy. Probably a lot of bullets being sweat in these militia circles as folks slowly start glowing and cooperating with prosecutors. Gonna be interesting if the feds actually go after these groups and their leadership in a big way.

[DarkTZeratul]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...057_story.html

And the House is creating a Select Committee to investigate. Republicans are very unhappy since it's a "partisan" Committee, but they honestly don't have any grounds to complain given that they voted down the Independent Commission, with members appointed by leadership from both parties in a bipartisan/non-partisan fashion. If they didn't want a "partisan" investigation, they should have backed the Independent Commission.

There's no reason for the Republicans to worry about this. It may be a "partisan" investigation, but they're still inviting the Republicans to participate.

Hm? What's that?

Oh, nevermind. McCarthy is threatening to strip committee assignment from any Republicans who dare participate in the Select Committee that they're mad is insufficiently bipartisan:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/01/polit...nts/index.html

EDIT: Liz Cheney is on it anyway, however, presumably because she can't be removed from her committees a second time.
https://twitter.com/RepLizCheney/sta...14673888595971

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https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...g-jan-6-attack

U.S. Capitol Police on Tuesday announced that the agency is opening regional field offices in California and Florida to investigate threats to members of Congress in the wake of the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.
Threats against members of Congress have increased in recent years. As of Tuesday, total threats so far in 2021 are double what they were at this point a year ago, according to Capitol Police.

Home to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco), House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Bakersfield) and other prominent members of Congress, California gives the law enforcement agency a Western base to investigate claims of threats made against members. The state is also home to the nation’s largest congressional delegation.

The new field offices are among the changes made since the attack six months ago in which Capitol Police were quickly overwhelmed by thousands of pro-Trump supporters, hundreds of whom were able to break into the Capitol building, forcing members to temporarily halt certification of the 2020 election results and flee for safety. Capitol Police leaders have told congressional committees investigating the incident that they had no information that the crowd would become violent.

Five people died in the melee or the days after. Two officers died by suicide, and more than 140 were injured— some permanently. More than 500 people have been charged for participating in the attack.

Other changes, spurred in part by congressional investigations and reports by the department’s internal watchdog, include increased training for officers alongside the National Guard, improved intelligence gathering efforts and protocols for reporting sensitive information, and new equipment and technology for officers.

Capitol Police rarely provides information to the public on how the agency operates, citing security concerns and member safety. For example, unlike other government agencies, the internal watchdog’s reports are not publicly available.

A spokesperson did not immediately answer questions Tuesday about where in California the office would be located, how many staff would be hired or what the cost to taxpayers would be.

The initial statement said other regional offices are possible.

Traditionally, plainclothes security details accompany only House and Senate leaders or members who have been subject to a specific threat while they are in the Capitol, in Washington and when they are traveling throughout the country. Capitol Police have jurisdiction to investigate all threats made against a member of Congress.

Yogananda Pittman, the department’s acting chief, told lawmakers in March that the vast majority of the increased threats are from people who don’t live near Washington.

Capitol police are expanding to Florida and California. Guess they need a broader footprint to deal with the increased volume of threats against lawmakers following the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt/riot. Good, I hope they do good work and are able to bring to justice folks that are making credible threats against any elected or appointed official.

[pathora44]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/conservat...191305470.html

Six months after the riot at the US Capitol, conservatives - encouraged by former President Donald Trump - are spamming social media with the alleged name of the police officer who shot Ashli Babbitt.

On Wednesday, multiple top posts on a fringe far-right message board called for "justice" for Babbitt and shared the alleged name of her shooter. One post, which was one of the site's most popular threads of the last 24 hours with more than 3,000 likes, called for the arrest of the officer.

One Twitter user shared the alleged name of Babbitt's shooter on Wednesday and questioned why he hasn't been "tried or arrested" yet, reaching 8,200 likes and nearly 3,000 retweets. It was not immediately clear whether this violated Twitter's Terms of Service. A Twitter representative did not immediately return a request for comment.

British talk show host Piers Morgan wrote an article for the DailyMail published Wednesday in which he claimed to know the identity of the shooter - though he did not reveal it - and said the name must be released to the public for the sake of "transparency," no matter whether you believe Babbitt was a "traitor or a patriot."

Babbitt, a 35-year-old Air Force veteran with a history of sharing far-right conspiracy theories like QAnon online, was one of five people who died as a result of the riot in Washington. During the riot, an officer shot Babbitt in the left shoulder as she attempted to surge through a broken window and pass into the Capitol building, according to The New York Times.

The Department of Justice (DOJ) declined to bring criminal charges against the officer after it found in an investigation that he did not violate Babbitt's rights. Insider is not sharing the name of the alleged officer, as it has not been verified.

"The investigation revealed no evidence to establish that, at the time the officer fired a single shot at Ms. Babbitt, the officer did not reasonably believe that it was necessary to do so in self-defense or in defense of the Members of Congress and others evacuating the House Chamber," the DOJ wrote in a statement.

Still, Babbitt has become a major symbol for the right, with Republicans including Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia calling for "justice" for Babbitt's death in a speech on the House floor in May and Fox News host Tucker Carlson demanding to know who killed Babbitt in a June segment. As Talia Lavin reported for New York Magazine, Babbitt is now the "most visible" hero of the pro-Trump Capitol insurrectionists.

The renewed online attention comes after Trump invoked Babbitt's name in a four-word email to his supporters last Thursday: "Who killed Ashli Babbitt?" In a press conference on Wednesday, the former president again referenced Babbitt, falsely claiming that there "were no guns in the Capitol except the gun that shot Ashli Babbitt."

On Tuesday, the six-month anniversary of the Capitol riot, Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona followed Trump by issuing a letter "in remembrance" of Babbitt.

In response to the renewed interest in Babbitt's death, many Twitter users criticized conservatives for treating the rioter like a martyr.

"Conservatives arguing that Ashli Babbitt was unjustly shot & demanding the name of the officer who killed her confirms that they believe the role of police is to murder Black people," the grassroots activist @BreeNewsome wrote on Twitter.

So now GQP cultists are spreading around names of people they "believe" to be the name of the officer who killed dangerous insurrectionist Ashli Babbitt who died due to her endangering the lives of U.S. congressmen during invasion of the U.S. Capitol building. Trump, his lapdog GQP henchmen and his rabid cultist all prop up Babbitt as a martyr and a hero when in fact she was a deranged terrorist trying to take down our democracy. Also have to love the massive hypocrisy of people who scream "BLUE LIVES MATTER" at the top of their lungs are now endangering the lives of cops because one rightfully took down a terrorist.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/conservat...191305470.html



So now GQP cultists are spreading around names of people they "believe" to be the name of the officer who killed dangerous insurrectionist Ashli Babbitt who died due to her endangering the lives of U.S. congressmen during invasion of the U.S. Capitol building. Trump, his lapdog GQP henchmen and his rabid cultist all prop up Babbitt as a martyr and a hero when in fact she was a deranged terrorist trying to take down our democracy. Also have to love the massive hypocrisy of people who scream "BLUE LIVES MATTER" at the top of their lungs are now endangering the lives of cops because one rightfully took down a terrorist.

If they've got the right guy, secrecy is out the door. Announce him, and give him some significant honor for his actions. State only "yeah, this is him, and he absolutely did the right thing shooting Babbitt."


​These people need to be openly denigrated. You're wrong, and stupid, and you can all fuck off.

[solinari6]

If they've got the right guy, secrecy is out the door. Announce him, and give him some significant honor for his actions. State only "yeah, this is him, [I]and he absolutely did the right thing shooting Babbitt."

Unless the plan is to give that guy a security detail for him and his family for the rest of their life, I don't think that's a great idea.

[jonnysensible]

Unless the plan is to give that guy a security detail for him and his family for the rest of their life, I don't think that's a great idea.

yup they will go after him and his family all movements need a good blood martyr and ashli babbit fits the bill.

[cubby]

If they've got the right guy, secrecy is out the door. Announce him, and give him some significant honor for his actions. State only "yeah, this is him, and he absolutely did the right thing shooting Babbitt."


​These people need to be openly denigrated. You're wrong, and stupid, and you can all fuck off.

We have GQP Members of Congress voting against bills honoring and rewarding Capital Police officers who fought during the insurrection. This guy won't get anything except a lifetime of harassment and a distinct possibility of physical harm or death.

Welcome to the United States of QNON.

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Unless the plan is to give that guy a security detail for him and his family for the rest of their life, I don't think that's a great idea.

We have GQP Members of Congress voting against bills honoring and rewarding Capital Police officers who fought during the insurrection. This guy won't get anything except a lifetime of harassment and a distinct possibility of physical harm or death.

Welcome to the United States of QNON.

I get what you're saying.

I'm just pointing out that what you're saying is how violent and widespread these criminals are. How big a threat they pose to the United States. That's sure a problem, but not making them angry isn't a solution, either. It's just submission to their will.

[jonnysensible]

I get what you're saying.

I'm just pointing out that what you're saying is how violent and widespread these criminals are. How big a threat they pose to the United States. That's sure a problem, but not making them angry isn't a solution, either. It's just submission to their will.

throwing some random dude into the fire isn't submitting to their will. handing over the name is.

[cubby]

I get what you're saying.

I'm just pointing out that what you're saying is how violent and widespread these criminals are. How big a threat they pose to the United States. That's sure a problem, but not making them angry isn't a solution, either. It's just submission to their will.

What do you mean by "making them angry"? I think I missed that part of the conversation. I know you aren't saying we should confront and fight them (politically speaking). Are you saying we shouldn't unnecessarily antagonize them?

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throwing some random dude into the fire isn't submitting to their will. handing over the name is.

I'm suggesting publicly awarding a man who defended members of Congress from an armed and violent mob. Not "handing his name over to the mob".

What do you mean by "making them angry"? I think I missed that part of the conversation. I know you aren't saying we should confront and fight them (politically speaking). Are you saying we shouldn't unnecessarily antagonize them?

I'm saying you should antagonize them. They should be openly derided. Those who break the law in response should be arrested. I'm rejecting the idea that people should avoid taking actions that might upset the angry mob of crazy people. That's just giving that mob power and control. They don't deserve that. They deserve to be taunted and mocked as publicly and openly as possible.

Letting fear control your actions is not a good path to tread.

[cubby]

I'm saying you should antagonize them. They should be openly derided. Those who break the law in response should be arrested. I'm rejecting the idea that people should avoid taking actions that might upset the angry mob of crazy people. That's just giving that mob power and control. They don't deserve that. They deserve to be taunted and mocked as publicly and openly as possible.

Letting fear control your actions is not a good path to tread.

Ah, gotcha - could not agree more.

[jonnysensible]

I'm suggesting publicly awarding a man who defended members of Congress from an armed and violent mob. Not "handing his name over to the mob".



I'm saying you should antagonize them. They should be openly derided. Those who break the law in response should be arrested. I'm rejecting the idea that people should avoid taking actions that might upset the angry mob of crazy people. That's just giving that mob power and control. They don't deserve that. They deserve to be taunted and mocked as publicly and openly as possible.

Letting fear control your actions is not a good path to tread.

poking suicidally crazy people with a stick is a bad idea. its not giving into them in anyway to keep this guy anonymous. I'll take it you've never been doxxed or dont know anyone that has. Pal of mine who does anti-fascist work has. It starts with pizza deliveries, moves onto death threats + swatting and then proud boys (or in this case it was base/seigegroup members) start knocking on the door. Its not good. Not to mention if you have any social media look at what these fuckers do to harmless reporters (i.e look what they did to Taylor lorenz/ali winston). They go after family members with death threats and bomb threats etc. its just unnecessary so you can grandstand with you 'well done for killing some crazy cunt' medal. Antagonizing people isnt a particularly good method of deradicalisation, counter terrorism or for that matter a good idea for the cop who shot that woman.

Its completely counter productive and serves no purpose. It doesn't benefit the cop. The goal of dealing with these people isn't based on your want to feel smug.

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poking suicidally crazy people with a stick is a bad idea. its not giving into them in anyway to keep this guy anonymous. I'll take it you've never been doxxed or dont know anyone that has. Pal of mine who does anti-fascist work has. It starts with pizza deliveries, moves onto death threats + swatting and then proud boys (or in this case it was base/seigegroup members) start knocking on the door. Its not good. Not to mention if you have any social media look at what these fuckers do to harmless reporters (i.e look what they did to Taylor lorenz/ali winston). They go after family members with death threats and bomb threats etc. its just unnecessary so you can grandstand with you 'well done for killing some crazy cunt' medal. Antagonizing people isnt a particularly good method of deradicalisation, counter terrorism or for that matter a good idea for the cop who shot that woman.

Its completely counter productive and serves no purpose. It doesn't benefit the cop. The goal of dealing with these people isn't based on your want to feel smug.

What you're describing is giving in to them. You're so scared of their strength and power that you'll change how you'd act so that they aren't upset with you. That's literally what you're talking about, here.

I get that doing this to the cop out of nowhere and without his consent would be a dick move, but I never suggested that, and if you got that implication, let me acknowledge it's not what I was saying. But I don't imagine this officer is the kind of person to back down from that threat, given his actions on January 6.

[jonnysensible]

What you're describing is giving in to them. You're so scared of their strength and power that you'll change how you'd act so that they aren't upset with you. That's literally what you're talking about, here.

nah its just counter productive and will ruin some random dudes life for no reason.

I get that doing this to the cop out of nowhere and without his consent would be a dick move, but I never suggested that, and if you got that implication, let me acknowledge it's not what I was saying. But I don't imagine this officer is the kind of person to back down from that threat, given his actions on January 6

ah thats fine but they will try and kill him its just not worth from a counter terror standpoint to bother doing it.

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https://thehill.com/business-a-lobby...-lawmakers-who

And after a bit of public shaming, Toyota is saying they'll stop donating the Sedition Caucus members, as they'd previously committed not to do.

We'll see if they stick with it this time around.

[gondrin]

Well, one of the seditionists is throwing himself at the mercy of the court by pleading guilty asks the court to not "cancel him" by giving him prison time. I really wish it was like a bad TV show and it gets cancelled. But this is a bad reality show that never ends like Survivor or The Real World.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ca...?ocid=msedgntp

[Kaleredar]

Well, one of the seditionists is throwing himself at the mercy of the court by pleading guilty asks the court to not "cancel him" by giving him prison time. I really wish it was like a bad TV show and it gets cancelled. But this is a bad reality show that never ends like Survivor or The Real World.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ca...?ocid=msedgntp

It’s a good thing that the court systems don’t acknowledge these people’s moronic justifications or reasoning for why the illegal things they did shouldn’t be illegal.

These clods have always needed a cold, hard dose of reality.

[Dontrike]

Well, one of the seditionists is throwing himself at the mercy of the court by pleading guilty asks the court to not "cancel him" by giving him prison time. I really wish it was like a bad TV show and it gets cancelled. But this is a bad reality show that never ends like Survivor or The Real World.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ca...?ocid=msedgntp

"15 minutes" completely foregoes the hours, if not days, of lead up to it where he made travel plans, was there hours before, walked up to the capital, went in, and the rest.

May as well boil down murder to "it was just a 2 second decision."