Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[D3thray]

That was masterful editing.

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She wasn't executed, they were protecting the people they were hired to protect... from a crowd who had every intention of murdering them.

We'll put it a simple way. If a large crowd of people who were trying to kill your family were climbing through the window, would you shoot at them? Mind you, this same crowd had already crashed a car through your front gate, and hurt several other friends of yours.

Trumpsters will justify almost anything.

Remember that couple brandishing weapons at rioters breaking onto private property. How exactly did they get treated again?

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this didnt happen the way you are describing it.

The FBI, Biden’s FBI, disagrees with you.

[Machismo]

Remember that couple brandishing weapons at rioters breaking onto private property. How exactly did they get treated again?

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The FBI, Biden’s FBI, disagrees with you.

They were lauded by Trumpsters. I don't recall people breaking onto their property.

Keep shilling for fascists.

[jonnysensible]

Remember that couple brandishing weapons at rioters breaking onto private property. How exactly did they get treated again?

again you are lying, people walked through the rich private neighborhood shouting black lives matter. You have called them rioters which is rubbish. The some crazy boomers pointed machine guns at them because like you they have been conditioned by right wing media to think a bunch of 17 year olds chanting slogans is the next civil war.

Why do you lie so much or are you detached from reality?

[D3thray]

again you are lying, people walked through the rich private neighborhood shouting black lives matter. You have called them rioters which is rubbish. The some crazy boomers pointed machine guns at them because like you they have been conditioned by right wing media to think a bunch of 17 year olds chanting slogans is the next civil war.

Why do you lie so much or are you detached from reality?

If you damage property as a large unorganized mass of people, that’s generally called rioting. Remember those mangled gates? That’s a gated community. Riot.

[Machismo]

If you damage property as a large unorganized mass of people, that’s generally called rioting. Remember those mangled gates? That’s a gated community. Riot.

Their stated goal was to overthrow government, and stop the confirming of an election.

It was an insurrection, whether you want to admit it, or not. But, considering how many bad takes... I don't expect it to stop.

[D3thray]

They admitted they were guilty of assault and got a pardon from the governor. Meanwhile, the police involved in Jan 6 have been extensively investigated and were found to have acted appropriately, and legally.

Exactly. Well stated. You understand my point then. Now consider the media coverage and punditry surrounding these events.

[Machismo]

Exactly. Well stated. You understand my point then. Now consider the media coverage and punditry surrounding these events.

You mean people like you who insist on defending the bad guys in all of this?

Ashli Babbitt was the bad guy.

Oh, and I'm still waiting on those FBI reports. Perhaps you do not have access to the DoJ website in your country.

[Endus]

You’re the one that says police should be held to a higher standard. That if there is any question they should be dismissed. I appreciate the greater context, but the ONLY people who died that day were rioters and somehow we’re to mourn the killers on the anniversary? I don’t get it.

Here how ridiculous your position is: I do believe police need to be held to the highest standards. By those standards, this shooting was entirely justified.

And yet, you're defending the violent terrorist who got shot, trying to violently overthrow the election.

I'm not the one being unreasonable here, and I'm being entirely consistent. The ridiculousness you're noting comes from how extremist your position is.

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But civilians got in trouble for assault when a peaceful protest passed by their house! /s

Deth is grasping at every straw in sight. It’s just pathetic after they already admitted it was a violent attack to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

Like, we know they had violent, murderous intent; they were chanting their intent to kill members of Congress.
We know they were willing to act on that intent, because they were aggressively and violently assaulting the Capitol.
And we know they were in the midst of committing those crimes; this wasn't the aftermath of some event or something, this was the height of the assault.

The only way you're opposed to Babbitt's being shot, in this context, is if you're siding with the murderous fascists trying to kill the national government and take over. You're that extremist. You could have been one of those insurrectionists, slamming a pole into a police officer's face and chanting your intent to kill Pelosi, and thinking somehow that you were in the right.

[Poopymonster]

Remember that couple brandishing weapons at rioters breaking onto private property. How exactly did they get treated again?

Weren't those two in the band "Panic! at the negro!"

[D3thray]

Here how ridiculous your position is: I do believe police need to be held to the highest standards. By those standards, this shooting was entirely justified.

And yet, you're defending the violent terrorist who got shot, trying to violently overthrow the election.

I'm not the one being unreasonable here, and I'm being entirely consistent. The ridiculousness you're noting comes from how extremist your position is.

Pretty mainstream actually if you look at the current RCP aggregate on a hypothetical Trump vs Biden match up. Trumps up by almost 5 points right now. I’d have to be heavily persuaded to back a Trump 2024 bid at this point but I wouldn’t say I’m extremist at all. Except that maybe trying to understand and divine the motivations of other people in order to give their statements and actions a fair shake is extremist? I’m not up with the current lingua franca, did extremism change like racism and sexism?

[D Luniz]

https://www.baltimoresun.com/marylan...xxe-story.html

Babbitt had a history of violence, she deserved to die! She should have complied!

Am I doing it right?

Na, you need to also get a photo of the most gangster looking white woman you can find and claim that's an actual photo of them but actually have it be of a famous musician. THEN you'll be doing it right.

[Machismo]

https://www.baltimoresun.com/marylan...xxe-story.html

Babbitt had a history of violence, she deserved to die! She should have complied!

Am I doing it right?

She was climbing through a window, where officers were trying to protect innocent people, and ignored multiple calls to stop.

If you want to shill for fascists, you're doing it right.

Her prior activity merely demonstrates a pattern of dipshit behavior.

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Pretty mainstream actually if you look at the current RCP aggregate on a hypothetical Trump vs Biden match up. Trumps up by almost 5 points right now. I’d have to be heavily persuaded to back a Trump 2024 bid at this point but I wouldn’t say I’m extremist at all. Except that maybe trying to understand and divine the motivations of other people in order to give their statements and actions a fair shake is extremist? I’m not up with the current lingua franca, did extremism change like racism and sexism?

Their beliefs don't deserve a fair shake, because they have been proven to be objectively false.

This is akin to saying you think we need to keep taking flat-Earthers seriously, because we just don't understand their beliefs.

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Pretty mainstream actually if you look at the current RCP aggregate on a hypothetical Trump vs Biden match up. Trumps up by almost 5 points right now. I’d have to be heavily persuaded to back a Trump 2024 bid at this point but I wouldn’t say I’m extremist at all. Except that maybe trying to understand and divine the motivations of other people in order to give their statements and actions a fair shake is extremist? I’m not up with the current lingua franca, did extremism change like racism and sexism?

Extremism isn't measured by popularity. Nazism was "extremist", even while winning elections in the Weimar Republic. I'm really not interested in the intentionally malicious disinfo garbage you're pushing to defend fascist extremism. I'm just gonna keep pointing out that you are defending fascist extremism.

And I'm not trying to "divine motivations". I'm describing your actions. I couldn't really care less why you're playing defense for extremists; it's enough to point out that's the game you're choosing to play.

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https://www.baltimoresun.com/marylan...xxe-story.html

Babbitt had a history of violence, she deserved to die! She should have complied!

Am I doing it right?

Is there a reason you folks seemingly can't grasp the difference between your straw man of "they must have deserved to die" and the reality of "their actions warranted the use of lethal force to stop them, in that moment"?

Nobody's arguing anyone "deserved to die" except you folks. Is it just projection, and you're incapable of grasping the difference? Or is it intentional dishonesty? It's one or the other.

[Dontrike]

If you damage property as a large unorganized mass of people, that’s generally called rioting. Remember those mangled gates? That’s a gated community. Riot.

What would you call people trying to keep a president in power using force while they also looked to kill/kidnap congressman and the VP. Go on, say it.

[Kaleredar]

What would you call people trying to keep a president in power using force while they also looked to kill/kidnap congressman and the VP. Go on, say it.

No no no, you're missing the important part! They thought what they were doing was right!

Therefore, they should be absolved of all punishment beyond a simple slap on the wrist, right?


/s

[Verdugo]

What would you call people trying to keep a president in power using force while they also looked to kill/kidnap congressman and the VP. Go on, say it.

Tourists, duh.

[beanman12345]

I should've included the /sarcasm tag.

You put in that "am I doing it right?" so, your communication skills are just fine.

[Endus]

A number of posters like to pull the "attack" lever right away, even when the sarcasm is blatant and a poster is known (at least my memory functions enough to remember who leans what way) for the way they generally post.

Gotta assume the enemy is everywhere, right?

It's more that I'm not going to bother double-checking everyone's post history, and there's no way to distinguish sarcasm from honestly terrible posting. We literally had someone trying to push that "oh, you're saying she deserved to die?" malarakey earlier, and they weren't being sarcastic, just dishonest.

Also, @Chonogo, "you folks" was just a general "you people out there" comment. I wasn't accusing you of any particular affiliation, and I apologize if you took it that way.

[Egomaniac]

A number of posters like to pull the "attack" lever right away, even when the sarcasm is blatant and a poster is known (at least my memory functions enough to remember who leans what way) for the way they generally post.

Gotta assume the enemy is everywhere, right?

Poe's Law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, every parody of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied.

Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article.

While this quote specifically mentions creationism...it can be applied to almost anything.

Avoid sarcasm and facetious remarks.

Without the voice inflection and body language of personal communication these are easily misinterpreted. A sideways smile, :-), has become widely accepted on the net as an indication that "I'm only kidding". If you submit a satiric item without this symbol, no matter how obvious the satire is to you, do not be surprised if people take it seriously.