Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[Edge-]

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/100...as-from-around

Indicted TX AG Ken Paxton is found to have violated the states open records laws in refusing to turn over communications relating to Jan. 6 in response to a request.

District Attorney is giving Paxton four days to "cure this violation". He's a Democrat, so I expect additional challenges. Weird that none of them want to talk about Jan. 6. Weird indeed.

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https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/14/polit...nce/index.html

Two of the dudes charged, Rhodes and Vallejo, have court dates today to figure out pre-trial release/bail conditions. Supposed to happen in about half an hour so I imagine we'll know more in an hour or two. Gonna be interesting to see what the judge sets the conditions/price of bail at, if they allow them out on bail at all.

Which reasonably, given the charges and the positions of these individuals, seems fairly questionable to me.

[Edge-]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...een-opposed-by

Josh Hawley, virtue signaling to extreme right wingers and violent insurrectionists, decides to come out and say that if the resolution honoring the Capitol workers on Jan. 6 was a voice vote that he'd vote no. Part of his reasoning -

“It attacks Republicans for their response to COVID–19, and it contains falsehoods, such as the incorrect assertion that the riot at the Capitol on January 6, 2021 was perpetuated by ‘violent insurrectionists,’'" Hawley said. “Not a single person from that day has been charged with the crime of insurrection.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/lead...ports-say.html

Federal authorities on Thursday charged Stewart Rhodes, the leader and founder of the extremist far-right Oath Keepers militia, and 10 other people with seditious conspiracy and other crimes for their alleged roles in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

Now sure, "insurrection" isn't exactly the same as "seditious conspiracy", but now we're in potayto potahto territory.



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https://www.businessinsider.com/capi...-raskin-2022-1

As crews cleaned the US Capitol on January 7, 2021, the phone lines in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office began to ring.

Rioters were calling "asking whether there was a lost and found because they forgot their phone there, or they left their purse or what have you," Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., told Insider on Friday.

Police officers quickly took down information from the callers, Raskin said.

"The officers quickly got on the phone and said, yeah, just give us your name, your address, your social, you know, and we'll tie up these loose ends," Raskin said. "But what's so fascinating to me about that there really were people who felt as if they had been summoned to Washington by the president."

Reminder that most of these rioters and insurrectionists are deeply, breathtakingly, astoundingly stupid, and that their stupidity is likely one of the biggest reasons that things weren't worse on Jan. 6.

[Corvus]

Is seditious conspiracy the one that can be applied to everyone there?

If so and now that it is in play, are we likely to see some people being more co-operative now they can see what is coming.

[Skulltaker]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...een-opposed-by

Josh Hawley, virtue signaling to extreme right wingers and violent insurrectionists, decides to come out and say that if the resolution honoring the Capitol workers on Jan. 6 was a voice vote that he'd vote no. Part of his reasoning -



https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/lead...ports-say.html



Now sure, "insurrection" isn't exactly the same as "seditious conspiracy", but now we're in potayto potahto territory.



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https://www.businessinsider.com/capi...-raskin-2022-1



Reminder that most of these rioters and insurrectionists are deeply, breathtakingly, astoundingly stupid, and that their stupidity is likely one of the biggest reasons that things weren't worse on Jan. 6.

This entire thing HAS to be a TV show. These people can't be this stupid. I reject this reality.

[Edge-]

Is seditious conspiracy the one that can be applied to everyone there?

No, only those who participated in specific planning and preparation. But I imagine they're looking for anyone else they can nab with their testimony.

[DarkTZeratul]

Is seditious conspiracy the one that can be applied to everyone there?

Once there's been a conviction, it can be applied to anyone who was at all aware of the conspiracy's existence.

[cubby]

Is seditious conspiracy the one that can be applied to everyone there?

Conspiracy can be applied to everyone, but each person has to be charged and convicted (or plead out). RICO is the one that has broader implications and can be applied to someone and does not require a trial.

[Corvus]

Conspiracy can be applied to everyone, but each person has to be charged and convicted (or plead out). RICO is the one that has broader implications and can be applied to someone and does not require a trial.

Ah, okay. I knew there was one like that, just couldn't remember which one.

[postman1782]

Once there's been a conviction, it can be applied to anyone who was at all aware of the conspiracy's existence.

So everyone they were in contact with? Which apparently can include some congressional aides and certain congress people that gave "tours" to these seditious bastards?

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Conspiracy can be applied to everyone, but each person has to be charged and convicted (or plead out). RICO is the one that has broader implications and can be applied to someone and does not require a trial.

Which apparently includes Clarence Thomas's wife. Since she got 3 busloads of insurrectionists there.

[Edge-]

Which apparently includes Clarence Thomas's wife. Since she got 3 busloads of insurrectionists there.

Extremely unlikely her efforts overlapped with this. Bussing folks there, while shitty and gross because Ginny Thomas is fuckin awful, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with these apparently separate plans.

[postman1782]

Extremely unlikely her efforts overlapped with this. Bussing folks there, while shitty and gross because Ginny Thomas is fuckin awful, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with these apparently separate plans.

I think ANYONE funding these terrorists, no matter if they went in or stayed outside, should be prosecuted.

This leader of the Oathkeepers, was funding other people to get there, including body armor, weapons, and hotel rooms. Hell this fucking terrorist bought $40k worth of weapons over the last few months before the insurrection.

[Ripster42]

I think ANYONE funding these terrorists, no matter if they went in or stayed outside, should be prosecuted.

This leader of the Oathkeepers, was funding other people to get there, including body armor, weapons, and hotel rooms. Hell this fucking terrorist bought $40k worth of weapons over the last few months before the insurrection.

Which is why I'm curious if stone's fundraising efforts for them are going to get him in trouble.

[cubby]

Which apparently includes Clarence Thomas's wife. Since she got 3 busloads of insurrectionists there.

It won't be everyone in contact with, but it can be applied to everyone, within reason. They will probably be looking to indict people who they couldn't otherwise (i.e. leaders) and perhaps others who's actions went above and beyond the "normal" MAGAts who showed up to this shindig.

The Conspiracy charges are going for the big wigs, not the little people.

Re Clarence Thomas' wife, I highly doubt she will even be questioned. If so, it would just be for "how did you get the job" kind of thing, strictly informative. And this is because the DoJ and the politicians are cowards.

[Kaleredar]

This entire thing HAS to be a TV show. These people can't be this stupid. I reject this reality.

These people didn’t think they were doing anything wrong. Which is why they were being so blasé about it.

Hence why they need a very, very rude awakening. Such as to deter any such thing from happening again.

[gondrin]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...een-opposed-by

Josh Hawley, virtue signaling to extreme right wingers and violent insurrectionists, decides to come out and say that if the resolution honoring the Capitol workers on Jan. 6 was a voice vote that he'd vote no. Part of his reasoning -



https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/lead...ports-say.html



Now sure, "insurrection" isn't exactly the same as "seditious conspiracy", but now we're in potayto potahto territory.



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https://www.businessinsider.com/capi...-raskin-2022-1



Reminder that most of these rioters and insurrectionists are deeply, breathtakingly, astoundingly stupid, and that their stupidity is likely one of the biggest reasons that things weren't worse on Jan. 6.

This reminds me of the news stories of people calling the polices about someone stealing their illicit drugs or some nonsense like that.

[postman1782]

Which is why I'm curious if stone's fundraising efforts for them are going to get him in trouble.

He was being "guarded" by these same Oathkeepers. So, it should happen. Will it? Who knows.

[Ripster42]

He was being "guarded" by these same Oath keepers. So, it should happen. Will it? Who knows.

Not just that. He was having fundraisers for "supplies" for jan 6 for the oath keepers. I'd post a link to stone's tweet about doing it, but the account has been, obviously, suspended.

[Edge-]

https://www.businessinsider.com/prou...r-photo-2022-1

Yo, freakin underwear models and shit be rioting? Can't say I think his new look is an improvement, even if some of his older styles are a bit wild.

[Dontrike]

https://www.businessinsider.com/prou...r-photo-2022-1

Yo, freakin underwear models and shit be rioting? Can't say I think his new look is an improvement, even if some of his older styles are a bit wild.

I know this isn't the point, but how much money are some of these people making catching these people? Maybe it's me being super sick, but I do wonder just how much some people have made finding/turning in those terrorists.

[Kaleredar]

I know this isn't the point, but how much money are some of these people making catching these people? Maybe it's me being super sick, but I do wonder just how much some people have made finding/turning in those terrorists.

They should create some sort of Texas-style bounty for them. 10,000 dollars to bring an attempted insurrectionist to justice.

I mean clearly, the supreme court has no issues with such things, right?