Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[jonnysensible]

Oath Keeper leader Stewart Rhodes

lol that he only raised $80 out of $250,000 for his legal defense.

[Elegiac]

The logic I've been able to decodes is that all the agitators were plants but all the people being arrested were tricked into doing a shitty coup and were arrested.

Oh, so they aren't terrorists - they're just gullible and stupid to the point they can be agitated into doing a terrorism.

Republican self-owns are hilarious.

[Edge-]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/31/polit...nes/index.html

Former President Donald Trump's advisers drafted two versions of an executive order to seize voting machines -- one directing the Department of Defense to do so and another the Department of Homeland Security -- as part of a broader effort to undermine the 2020 election results, multiple sources tell CNN.

The idea of using the federal government to access voting machines in states that Trump lost was the brainchild of retired Col. Phil Waldron and retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Trump's former national security adviser, the sources said. Both Army veterans spread misinformation about the election being stolen from Trump.
While advisers publicly floated the idea at the time, revelations that two draft executive orders were actually drawn up for different agencies to carry out the job underscores the extent to which the former President's allies wanted to weaponize the powers of his lame-duck administration to overturn the election.

So one EO for the DoD to take the machines, one for DHS, just in case.

Tell me how Trump wasn't having conspiracy theorist traitors like Michael Flynn, who doesn't even know the words to the Pledge of Allegiance, run the White House and attempt to steal and election.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Gingrich should have slunk away into the shadows hoping people forgot he started the whole “Dems are evil” strategy.

You're talking about a guy that made building a moon base by the end of his second term a part of his platform for running for the Republican nomination.

[Fugus]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/31/polit...nes/index.html



So one EO for the DoD to take the machines, one for DHS, just in case.

Tell me how Trump wasn't having conspiracy theorist traitors like Michael Flynn, who doesn't even know the words to the Pledge of Allegiance, run the White House and attempt to steal and election.

Even retired, I would hope the military has the ability to forcibly re-enlist them just to hold them under UCMJ articles.

[gondrin]

Even retired, I would hope the military has the ability to forcibly re-enlist them just to hold them under UCMJ articles.

I believe, even when retired, you can still be charged under UCMJ under some crimes. I believe sedition and conspiracy to commit insurrection against the United States.

[Edge-]

AZ Senate President Kelly Ward, the same one behind the Cyber Ninja's "audit", is suing to block the subpoena of her phone records in relation to the Jan. 6 investigation.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ds/6641029001/

"Disclosing the phone records and metadata from the Phone Number would provide the PHI of an unknown but quantifiable number of individuals seeking medical treatment from the Plaintiffs to the Committee and potentially to the public at large," an attorney representing the couple wrote. "Therefore, the enforcement of the Subpoena must be enjoined until and unless limitations are put in place to protect the PHI of the Plaintiffs’ patients."

No that's a potentially fair point in that she wants to ensure patient records are protected. But it's a bit odd she'd think that the Jan. 6 committee would release irrelevant call information publicly that has no bearing on their investigation.

We'll see how it plays out, I imagine Democrats will propose solutions around limiting access or a special master (I think that applies here), and she'll continue to fight it because she seems like she has something to hide. Or some things to hide.

[unfilteredJW]

No that's a potentially fair point in that she wants to ensure patient records are protected. But it's a bit odd she'd think that the Jan. 6 committee would release irrelevant call information publicly that has no bearing on their investigation.

"We'd do it so they'd obviously do it."

[Edge-]

"We'd do it so they'd obviously do it."

Probably yeah, but it's a fair lawsuit from what I can tell, honestly. And it's good that she'd try to ensure some specific protections for her patients.

I look forward to an agreement that allows the committee access to relevant records without compromising any patient privacy.

[Edge-]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rnc-t...b02136b6ee7c56

Fake electors are on their own, the GOP won't fund their legal defense. Only Trumps.

Thoughts and prayers, y'all.

[Machismo]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rnc-t...b02136b6ee7c56

Fake electors are on their own, the GOP won't fund their legal defense. Only Trumps.

Thoughts and prayers, y'all.

There's more bodies under the bus, than there are inside it.

[cubby]

They’d likely go the special master route if it’s actually a concern. Maybe @cubby can speak to this. It’s an interesting gambit to try to hide her records though.

If she claims priviledge with her phone records then it would have to go through a special master, plus another few hearings because of her status as an elected official, plus all the other shenanigans she'll throw up to prevent it from happening. The Jan 6 Commission really only has until the end of this year to get anything done, and I don't think whatever they get done will include her records. I hope I'm wrong though.

[gondrin]

If she claims priviledge with her phone records then it would have to go through a special master, plus another few hearings because of her status as an elected official, plus all the other shenanigans she'll throw up to prevent it from happening. The Jan 6 Commission really only has until the end of this year to get anything done, and I don't think whatever they get done will include her records. I hope I'm wrong though.

I figure near the end of the year, they'll just punt all of their stuff to the DoJ and let them do their thing.

[Edge-]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/brian...b09170e9ce1b1c

And today in: Bad lie, or deeply retarded?

Capitol Rioter Brian Stenz.

According to Stenz, on Jan. 6 he admitted he posed for a photo outside the Capitol on a police motorcycle, and then talked about how "he went to a location that appeared to be a gift shop".

This location was the office of Sen. Jeff Merkley of Oregon, located inside the Capitol building meaning he had to have entered through the broken doors or windows and waded through a sea of rioters. He took a picture of himself at the office, and there are more of him inside the building.

Now, it could just be a mistake, right?

Stenz has a significant criminal history and knowingly engaged in this conduct during a time when he had criminal charges pending against him in Pennsylvania for falsifying records related to the purchase of a firearm. Yet, he chose to enter the Capitol anyway

From the court filings.

So...yeah, sure looks like all these "FBI plants" and "antifa" folks that Trump wants to pardon are, in fact, some pretty bad dudes.

Oh, and he did plead guilty to one count of misdemeanor parading and the government is recommending...

14 days of prison, followed by 36 months of probation.

Seriously, people get worse consequences for having a dimebag of weed in most states.

[Fugus]

Seriously, people get worse consequences for having a dimebag of weed in most states.

At this point, I REALLY want to see some headlines where lawyers start using these people for as examples in drug charges where they shouldn’t be getting worse punishments than these people.

Like see a case where a guy is charged with 10 pounds of weed and his arguing that since these people are doing so much worse and causing so much more damage, there is no logical reason that the drug dealers punishment be worse then these people.

Then watch the judge try and argue against it.

[wunksta]

The Republican Party on Friday officially declared the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol and events that led to it “legitimate political discourse,” formally rebuking two lawmakers in the party who have been most outspoken in condemning the deadly riot and the role of Donald J. Trump in spreading the election lies that fueled it.

The Republican National Committee’s overwhelming voice vote to censure Representatives Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois at its winter meeting in Salt Lake City culminated more than a year of vacillation, which started with party leaders condemning the Capitol attack and Mr. Trump’s conduct, then shifted to downplaying and denying it.

On Friday, the party went further in a resolution slamming Ms. Cheney and Mr. Kinzinger for taking part in the House investigation of the assault, saying they were participating in “persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse.”

It was an extraordinary statement about the deadliest attack on the Capitol in 200 years, in which a mob of Mr. Trump’s supporters stormed the complex, brutalizing police officers and sending lawmakers into hiding. Nine people died in connection with the attack and more than 150 officers were injured. The party passed the resolution without discussion and almost without dissent.

The censure is the latest and most forceful effort by the Republican Party to minimize what happened and the broader attempt by Mr. Trump and his allies to invalidate the results of the 2020 election. In approving it and opting to punish two of its own, Republicans seemed to embrace a position that many of them have only hinted at: that the assault and the actions that preceded it were acceptable.
It came days after Mr. Trump suggested that, if re-elected in 2024, he would consider pardons for those convicted in the Jan. 6 attack and for the first time described his goal as aiming to “overturn” the election results.

For Republicans in Washington, the party’s actions threatened new division as their leaders try to focus attention on what they call the failings of the Biden administration.

Senator Mitt Romney, Republican of Utah, wrote on Twitter, “Shame falls on a party that would censure persons of conscience, who seek truth in the face of vitriol. Honor attaches to Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger for seeking truth even when doing so comes at great personal cost.” He did not mention that the party chairwoman who presided over the meeting and orchestrated the censure resolution, Ronna McDaniel, is his niece.

The party’s far-right flank has been agitating to boot Ms. Cheney and Mr. Kinzinger out of the House Republican Conference for months, a push that Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the minority leader, has tried to brush aside. And their formal censure is sure to stir up those efforts again.

“We need to move on from that whole discussion and, frankly, move forward and get the House back in 2022,” said Representative Mike Garcia, a California Republican facing a difficult re-election campaign in a newly configured district.

Most House Republicans tried to ignore the actions of the party on Friday, refusing to answer questions or saying they had not read the censure resolution. Representative Dan Crenshaw, Republican of Texas, called it “dumb stuff,” while Representative Mark Green, Republican of Tennessee, lamented the distraction from “this abysmal administration’s record.”

Democrats, however, were incensed, especially at the censure resolution’s description of the Capitol attack as “ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse,” and the ongoing legal investigations of Mr. Trump in New York and Georgia “Democrat abuse of prosecutorial power.”

“The Republican Party is so off the deep end now that they are describing an attempted coup and a deadly insurrection as political expression,” said Representative Jamie Raskin, Democrat of Maryland and a member of the special House committee investigating the Capitol attack. “It is a scandal that historians will be aghast at, to think that a major political party would be denouncing Liz Cheney for standing up for the Constitution and not saying anything about Donald Trump’s involvement in the insurrection.”

Representative Adam Schiff, Democrat of California and who is also on the committee, said, “their party has degenerated into a cult to the former president, unwilling to acknowledge the truth, and I think they condemn themselves with their resolution.”

In his own defense, Mr. Kinzinger said, “I have no regrets about my decision to uphold my oath of office and defend the Constitution. I will continue to focus my efforts on standing for truth and working to fight the political matrix that’s led us to where we find ourselves today.”

The resolution speaks repeatedly of party unity as the goal of censuring the lawmakers, saying the party’s ability to focus on the Biden administration was being “sabotaged” by the “actions and words” of Ms. Cheney and Mr. Kinzinger which indicate “they support Democrat efforts to destroy President Trump more than they support winning back a Republican majority in 2022.”

More practically, the moves of the party in Salt Lake City will make it easier for the Republican apparatus to abandon Ms. Cheney and throw its weight and money behind her main primary challenger, Harriet Hageman.

The censure resolution declares that the party “shall immediately cease any and all support of” both lawmakers “as members of the Republican Party for their behavior which has been destructive to the institution of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Republican Party and our republic, and is inconsistent with the position of the Conference.”

Mr. Kinzinger has already announced he won’t seek re-election, as have several other House Republicans who voted to impeach Mr. Trump for inciting the attack on the Capitol. Ms. Cheney, however, has vowed to stand for re-election.

Earlier this week, the Wyoming delegation to the Republican National Committee submitted a so-called “Rule 11” letter, formalizing party support for Ms. Hageman. The existence of the letter was reported by The Washington Post.

The letter allows the Republican National Committee to send resources to the Wyoming branch of the party to spend on Ms. Hageman’s behalf — essentially designating her as the party’s presumptive nominee. The designations are common in Republican politics, but typically are used to support incumbents who may be facing token primary challengers. Florida’s delegation, for instance, filed a similar letter months ago that allowed the national committee to funnel resources to support the re-election campaigns for Gov. Ron DeSantis and Senator Marco Rubio.

Ms. Cheney, who faces an uphill battle in her re-election bid against a Republican Party aligned with Mr. Trump, said party leaders “have made themselves willing hostages” to Mr. Trump.

“I do not recognize those in my party who have abandoned the Constitution to embrace Donald Trump,” she said. “History will be their judge. I will never stop fighting for our constitutional republic. No matter what.”

Ms. Cheney’s spokesman, Jeremy Adler, condemned the Wyoming G.O.P. leadership and its chairman, Frank Eathorne, for directing resources to Ms. Hageman. Mr. Eathorne did not respond to messages Friday; other members of the Wyoming delegation declined to comment.

“Frank Eathorne and the Republican National Committee are trying to assert their will and take away the voice of the people of Wyoming before a single vote has even been cast,” Mr. Adler said.

The censure resolution was watered down from an initial version that called directly for the House Republican Conference to “expel” Ms. Cheney and Mr. Kinzinger “without delay.” That demand was dropped. However, the language condemning the attack on “legitimate political discourse” was then added.

William J. Palatucci, a Republican National Committee member from New Jersey, said those changes were made “behind closed doors.” The final language was officially circulated to committee members early Friday morning. He called it “cancel culture at its worst.”

“The national committee attacking Liz Cheney is distracting and counterproductive,” he said. “We should be spending our time shooting at Democrats, not Republicans.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/u...y-censure.html

[Machismo]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/u...y-censure.html

Well, they went full fascist.

[Edge-]

What the fuck does shitting and pissing on the floors of the Capitol building, which literally happened, have to do with "political discourse"?

Man, when do we get to start bashing fashies. Everyone should support bashing fashies, and Republicans are increasingly acting like fashies. I wish they'd stop, but I can't control them and their party.

[Endus]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/u...y-censure.html

I'm pretty sure this qualifies as "providing aid and comfort to", and thus, would justify convicting every single Republican member at every level of insurrection, forcing them out of office and preventing them ever running for federal office of any kind ever again.

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What the fuck does shitting and pissing on the floors of the Capitol building, which literally happened, have to do with "political discourse"?

Man, when do we get to start bashing fashies. Everyone should support bashing fashies, and Republicans are increasingly acting like fashies. I wish they'd stop, but I can't control them and their party.

Honestly, it's probably best to just take a really hard-line stance against them, apply the sedition and insurrection laws appropriately, and wait until they get violent.

At which point, you roll the fucking army in on them. In tanks.

Worked up here in Canada back under Trudeau the senior. And if these FluTruxKlan shitheads don't fuck back off out of Ottawa soon, I'm hoping Trudeau the younger will repeat his dad's approach.

[Edge-]

Worked up here in Canada back under Trudeau the senior. And if these FluTruxKlan shitheads don't fuck back off out of Ottawa soon, I'm hoping Trudeau the younger will repeat his dad's approach.

I heard he's a boxer, he should challenge them to a few matches.