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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    The thing about the Oathkeepers is that they still have hundreds of paid up members that are in active military service or law enforcement. Wonder what will happen to all of them given that they are part of an organization that is actively fomenting and plotting a civil war. Probably get a pass...
    Yep, there is plenty of members of the Oregon police force, that have been caught being in Facebook, Discord, and Telegram groups with the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drutt View Post
    Ah, and pop goes the "how many of the Jan 6th people have been charged with insurrection/sedition?" talking point that's been banging around for almost a year.

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    Yeah, that's a good question. It seems untenable to continue to employ their members in law enforcement/the military if the organization's leaders are being tagged for seditious conspiracy charges in relation to their actions with the group.
    Yep, I have had people telling me there is no charges, and when I told them they were coming, and only 10% of the people have been sentenced and that more charges are pending, they scoffed and said, if they haven't been charged after a year, they won't be. Well, that changed today, and I hope they are shitting their pants now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    *snip*
    Yo, are we still pretending there weren't plans to engage in coordinated, organized violence in an attempt to stop the election from being certified still?

    Man, if they only get the max of 20 years these fucks will be lucky.
    There has been a slow shift in the denier camp from "nothing happened, it was all tourists or a false flag" to "the few people that did anything weren't enough to do anything significant so why make a big deal of it cept to be alarmist for political gain"

    pretty much the same stages of stalling BS that we saw on cigarettes in relation to cancer and climate change

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I remember the FBI openly asking for people to help identify those who attended the Insurrection because they were having difficulties with so many suspects. Love that this worked out so well for them and so badly for idiots such as Luke.


    I would not be surprised if their legal teams were just waiting for the subpoena to hand over everything. I wouldn't be entirely shocked if someone at those social media headquarters asked the Committee to subpoena them. Most large businesses like to help investigations (where they won't be charged) because it's both helpful and they avoid ancillary obstruction charges - mostly the first though.
    noticed a lot with the COVID issue that the businesses wanted gov mandates so people wouldn't be angry at them, I feel like you might be right if those companies recommended they get subpoenaed for public relations ability to play it both ways "We had to cause we were compelled, but look what good citizens we are for doing it with so little fuss!"
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
    Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    noticed a lot with the COVID issue that the businesses wanted gov mandates so people wouldn't be angry at them, I feel like you might be right if those companies recommended they get subpoenaed for public relations ability to play it both ways "We had to cause we were compelled, but look what good citizens we are for doing it with so little fuss!"
    That's how they usually play it. From my limited experience, they want the subpoena so they aren't responsible for their actions. Like you said, "we HAD to do it" and then "look how responsible we are" bullshit. Regardless though, now they'll will have that info, to fill in any gaps they had in their investigation.

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    It's so weird that Faux "News" isn't covering one part of those indictments.

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    https://theweek.com/donald-trump/100...as-from-around

    Indicted TX AG Ken Paxton is found to have violated the states open records laws in refusing to turn over communications relating to Jan. 6 in response to a request.

    District Attorney is giving Paxton four days to "cure this violation". He's a Democrat, so I expect additional challenges. Weird that none of them want to talk about Jan. 6. Weird indeed.

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    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/14/polit...nce/index.html

    Two of the dudes charged, Rhodes and Vallejo, have court dates today to figure out pre-trial release/bail conditions. Supposed to happen in about half an hour so I imagine we'll know more in an hour or two. Gonna be interesting to see what the judge sets the conditions/price of bail at, if they allow them out on bail at all.

    Which reasonably, given the charges and the positions of these individuals, seems fairly questionable to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://theweek.com/donald-trump/100...as-from-around

    Indicted TX AG Ken Paxton is found to have violated the states open records laws in refusing to turn over communications relating to Jan. 6 in response to a request.

    District Attorney is giving Paxton four days to "cure this violation". He's a Democrat, so I expect additional challenges. Weird that none of them want to talk about Jan. 6. Weird indeed.

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    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/14/polit...nce/index.html

    Two of the dudes charged, Rhodes and Vallejo, have court dates today to figure out pre-trial release/bail conditions. Supposed to happen in about half an hour so I imagine we'll know more in an hour or two. Gonna be interesting to see what the judge sets the conditions/price of bail at, if they allow them out on bail at all.

    Which reasonably, given the charges and the positions of these individuals, seems fairly questionable to me.
    If I saw seditious conspiracy and the history of the individuals I’d be inclined to let them start serving their time now.

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    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...een-opposed-by

    Josh Hawley, virtue signaling to extreme right wingers and violent insurrectionists, decides to come out and say that if the resolution honoring the Capitol workers on Jan. 6 was a voice vote that he'd vote no. Part of his reasoning -

    “It attacks Republicans for their response to COVID–19, and it contains falsehoods, such as the incorrect assertion that the riot at the Capitol on January 6, 2021 was perpetuated by ‘violent insurrectionists,’'" Hawley said. “Not a single person from that day has been charged with the crime of insurrection.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/lead...ports-say.html

    Federal authorities on Thursday charged Stewart Rhodes, the leader and founder of the extremist far-right Oath Keepers militia, and 10 other people with seditious conspiracy and other crimes for their alleged roles in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.
    Now sure, "insurrection" isn't exactly the same as "seditious conspiracy", but now we're in potayto potahto territory.



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    https://www.businessinsider.com/capi...-raskin-2022-1

    As crews cleaned the US Capitol on January 7, 2021, the phone lines in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office began to ring.

    Rioters were calling "asking whether there was a lost and found because they forgot their phone there, or they left their purse or what have you," Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., told Insider on Friday.

    Police officers quickly took down information from the callers, Raskin said.

    "The officers quickly got on the phone and said, yeah, just give us your name, your address, your social, you know, and we'll tie up these loose ends," Raskin said. "But what's so fascinating to me about that there really were people who felt as if they had been summoned to Washington by the president."
    Reminder that most of these rioters and insurrectionists are deeply, breathtakingly, astoundingly stupid, and that their stupidity is likely one of the biggest reasons that things weren't worse on Jan. 6.

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    Is seditious conspiracy the one that can be applied to everyone there?

    If so and now that it is in play, are we likely to see some people being more co-operative now they can see what is coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...een-opposed-by

    Josh Hawley, virtue signaling to extreme right wingers and violent insurrectionists, decides to come out and say that if the resolution honoring the Capitol workers on Jan. 6 was a voice vote that he'd vote no. Part of his reasoning -



    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/lead...ports-say.html



    Now sure, "insurrection" isn't exactly the same as "seditious conspiracy", but now we're in potayto potahto territory.



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    https://www.businessinsider.com/capi...-raskin-2022-1



    Reminder that most of these rioters and insurrectionists are deeply, breathtakingly, astoundingly stupid, and that their stupidity is likely one of the biggest reasons that things weren't worse on Jan. 6.
    This entire thing HAS to be a TV show. These people can't be this stupid. I reject this reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Is seditious conspiracy the one that can be applied to everyone there?
    No, only those who participated in specific planning and preparation. But I imagine they're looking for anyone else they can nab with their testimony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Is seditious conspiracy the one that can be applied to everyone there?
    Once there's been a conviction, it can be applied to anyone who was at all aware of the conspiracy's existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Is seditious conspiracy the one that can be applied to everyone there?
    Conspiracy can be applied to everyone, but each person has to be charged and convicted (or plead out). RICO is the one that has broader implications and can be applied to someone and does not require a trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Conspiracy can be applied to everyone, but each person has to be charged and convicted (or plead out). RICO is the one that has broader implications and can be applied to someone and does not require a trial.
    Ah, okay. I knew there was one like that, just couldn't remember which one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Once there's been a conviction, it can be applied to anyone who was at all aware of the conspiracy's existence.
    So everyone they were in contact with? Which apparently can include some congressional aides and certain congress people that gave "tours" to these seditious bastards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Conspiracy can be applied to everyone, but each person has to be charged and convicted (or plead out). RICO is the one that has broader implications and can be applied to someone and does not require a trial.
    Which apparently includes Clarence Thomas's wife. Since she got 3 busloads of insurrectionists there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Which apparently includes Clarence Thomas's wife. Since she got 3 busloads of insurrectionists there.
    Extremely unlikely her efforts overlapped with this. Bussing folks there, while shitty and gross because Ginny Thomas is fuckin awful, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with these apparently separate plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Extremely unlikely her efforts overlapped with this. Bussing folks there, while shitty and gross because Ginny Thomas is fuckin awful, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with these apparently separate plans.
    I think ANYONE funding these terrorists, no matter if they went in or stayed outside, should be prosecuted.

    This leader of the Oathkeepers, was funding other people to get there, including body armor, weapons, and hotel rooms. Hell this fucking terrorist bought $40k worth of weapons over the last few months before the insurrection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    I think ANYONE funding these terrorists, no matter if they went in or stayed outside, should be prosecuted.

    This leader of the Oathkeepers, was funding other people to get there, including body armor, weapons, and hotel rooms. Hell this fucking terrorist bought $40k worth of weapons over the last few months before the insurrection.
    Which is why I'm curious if stone's fundraising efforts for them are going to get him in trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Which apparently includes Clarence Thomas's wife. Since she got 3 busloads of insurrectionists there.
    It won't be everyone in contact with, but it can be applied to everyone, within reason. They will probably be looking to indict people who they couldn't otherwise (i.e. leaders) and perhaps others who's actions went above and beyond the "normal" MAGAts who showed up to this shindig.

    The Conspiracy charges are going for the big wigs, not the little people.

    Re Clarence Thomas' wife, I highly doubt she will even be questioned. If so, it would just be for "how did you get the job" kind of thing, strictly informative. And this is because the DoJ and the politicians are cowards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skulltaker View Post
    This entire thing HAS to be a TV show. These people can't be this stupid. I reject this reality.
    These people didn’t think they were doing anything wrong. Which is why they were being so blasé about it.

    Hence why they need a very, very rude awakening. Such as to deter any such thing from happening again.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...een-opposed-by

    Josh Hawley, virtue signaling to extreme right wingers and violent insurrectionists, decides to come out and say that if the resolution honoring the Capitol workers on Jan. 6 was a voice vote that he'd vote no. Part of his reasoning -



    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/lead...ports-say.html



    Now sure, "insurrection" isn't exactly the same as "seditious conspiracy", but now we're in potayto potahto territory.



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    https://www.businessinsider.com/capi...-raskin-2022-1



    Reminder that most of these rioters and insurrectionists are deeply, breathtakingly, astoundingly stupid, and that their stupidity is likely one of the biggest reasons that things weren't worse on Jan. 6.
    This reminds me of the news stories of people calling the polices about someone stealing their illicit drugs or some nonsense like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Which is why I'm curious if stone's fundraising efforts for them are going to get him in trouble.
    He was being "guarded" by these same Oathkeepers. So, it should happen. Will it? Who knows.

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