Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[gondrin]

Pretty powerful opening here.

And can Chuck Todd go away please.

You know, I would rather just have footage of the room instead of commentary. I personally don't need a recap that tells me what I just saw a few minutes ago. I know it is for people who didn't catch it from the start but I would love to just have the choice.

[Edge-]

Been watching here.

Thanks for the link, was about to go looking for one after work wrapped up. Been watching /r/politics which is my unofficial generalized newsfeed to keep up with the tidbits so far.

[gondrin]

Been watching here.

Ah, ok. I might have to pull that up instead of watching NBC news streaming channel.

[Doctor Amadeus]

You know, I would rather just have footage of the room instead of commentary. I personally don't need a recap that tells me what I just saw a few minutes ago. I know it is for people who didn't catch it from the start but I would love to just have the choice.

Yeah I thought this was just the hearing.

[gondrin]

Yeah I thought this was just the hearing.

Yeah, if you get NBC news, you have to look at Chuck Todd and nobody wants that.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Been watching here.

Thanks I just put on anything that showed the hearing didn’t anticipate a beak or that weasel to come on the tv.

- - - Updated - - -

Yeah, if you get NBC news, you have to look at Chuck Todd and nobody wants that.

Lol honestly didn’t anticipate a break so I just flipped to who ever had it on first. I learned my lesson.

[gondrin]

Glad I could help bring attention to PBS.

Honestly, I should have went to them or CSPAN first. They usually have uninterrupted broadcasts. Thank you for reminding me of that.

[Fugus]

42 minutes in, and already, we are finding out things from people that have testified, including staunch Trump supporters, that EVERYTHING from November 7th, when Biden was declared winner, til Jan 6th, is nothing but planning to overthrow the fucking election.

God I will have to try and check back about it later. Got kids at a free play arcade with karaoke so no chance of hearing anything and only 1 to 2 bars of signal here.

[gondrin]

God I will have to try and check back about it later. Got kids at a free play arcade with karaoke so no chance of hearing anything and only 1 to 2 bars of signal here.

The hardest part to watch is the footage of the riot.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Well that is a compelling couple of hours HOWEVER as someone biased and already certain of what information is being presented, I don't think my saying that means much. The Alt-Right Trump supported are absolutely not going to be convinced by anything Trump is guilty of trying to over throw the elections and encouraged violence.

The question is going to be how was tonight going to impact people Undecided either way before to night and as we go for another 7 of these?

[gondrin]

Well that is a compelling couple of hours HOWEVER as someone biased and already certain of what information is being presented, I don't think my saying that means much. The Alt-Right Trump supported are absolutely not going to be convinced by anything Trump is guilty of trying to over throw the elections and encouraged violence.

The question is going to be how was tonight going to impact people Undecided either way before to night and as we go for another 7 of these?

Depends on who those voters surround themselves with. If other open minded people, probably sway them away from voting from the fascist windbag. If they are around other diehard alt-right fascist Trump supporters(either due to working with them or other means), they might just abstain from voting or vote for him(for when he decides to run).

[Doctor Amadeus]

Depends on who those voters surround themselves with. If other open minded people, probably sway them away from voting from the fascist windbag. If they are around other diehard alt-right fascist Trump supporters(either due to working with them or other means), they might just abstain from voting or vote for him(for when he decides to run).

Apt take but I really hope we find out because at this point that’s the only way to know what this will mean.

[Fugus]

Depends on who those voters surround themselves with. If other open minded people, probably sway them away from voting from the fascist windbag. If they are around other diehard alt-right fascist Trump supporters(either due to working with them or other means), they might just abstain from voting or vote for him(for when he decides to run).

While there are plenty who can be swayed, there are a good 25% who will not be swayed no matter what.

I literally had a friend who mentally would shut down rather than process facts he disliked.

Quite literally showed him a video of Trump outright confessing something only for him to go silent and nod waiting for the subject to pass rather than accept something he didn’t want to. Then a week later he was repeating the same stuff he was just proven wrong about.

[gondrin]

While there are plenty who can be swayed, there are a good 25% who will not be swayed no matter what.

I literally had a friend who mentally would shut down rather than process facts he disliked.

Quite literally showed him a video of Trump outright confessing something only for him to go silent and nod waiting for the subject to pass rather than accept something he didn’t want to. Then a week later he was repeating the same stuff he was just proven wrong about.

Yeah, those people are the diehard alt-right Trump supporters. They most definitely will never be swayed. The undecided voters are the ones that need swayed. Biggest problem with swaying them isn't the facts or the video or anything of that nature. All they will look at is how much their groceries cost, how much gas is, how much they are paying for whatever is a necessity. They will look at the violence that is around them. They will vote based on that. If they are unhappy with some or all of those things and don't think critically(which is the vast majority of people), they will look at who is in charge and not vote for them again, regardless of how absolutely vile or disgusting the other person is. That is how Hitler came into power. That is how a quite a few fascist dictators come into power.

[cubby]

While there are plenty who can be swayed, there are a good 25% who will not be swayed no matter what.

I literally had a friend who mentally would shut down rather than process facts he disliked.

Quite literally showed him a video of Trump outright confessing something only for him to go silent and nod waiting for the subject to pass rather than accept something he didn’t want to. Then a week later he was repeating the same stuff he was just proven wrong about.

And that's a major, almost unreconcilable problem in the United States. Our New Great Divide is a willfully ignorant one, and it's costing us dearly.

- - - Updated - - -

Well that is a compelling couple of hours HOWEVER as someone biased and already certain of what information is being presented, I don't think my saying that means much. The Alt-Right Trump supported are absolutely not going to be convinced by anything Trump is guilty of trying to over throw the elections and encouraged violence.

The question is going to be how was tonight going to impact people Undecided either way before to night and as we go for another 7 of these?

I agree - that's really the only question. The alt-right fanatics aren't even showing the hearings on their propaganda channel.

- - - Updated - - -

Glad I could help bring attention to PBS.

Nicely done.

[Logwyn]

1. President Trump engaged in a massive effort to spread false and fraudulent information to the American public claiming the 2020 election was stolen from him.
2. President Trump corruptly planned to replace the Acting Attorney General, so that the Department of Justice would support his fake election claims.
3. President Trump corruptly pressured Vice President Pence to refuse to count certified electoral votes in violation of the US Constitution and the law.
4. President Trump corruptly pressured state election officials, and state legislators, to change election results.
5. President Trump's legal team and other Trump associates instructed Republicans in multiple states to create false electoral slates and transmit those slates to Congress and the National Archives.
6. President Trump summoned and assembled a violent mob in Washington and directed them to march on the US Capitol.
7. As the violence was underway, President Trump ignored multiple pleas for assistance and failed to take immediate action to stop the violence and instruct his supporters to leave the Capitol.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/09/polit...lan/index.html

Man, Sounds like Trump thought this was a different country or something. To think how the country would be if he had won. Hunger Games?

[cubby]

1. President Trump engaged in a massive effort to spread false and fraudulent information to the American public claiming the 2020 election was stolen from him.
2. President Trump corruptly planned to replace the Acting Attorney General, so that the Department of Justice would support his fake election claims.
3. President Trump corruptly pressured Vice President Pence to refuse to count certified electoral votes in violation of the US Constitution and the law.
4. President Trump corruptly pressured state election officials, and state legislators, to change election results.
5. President Trump's legal team and other Trump associates instructed Republicans in multiple states to create false electoral slates and transmit those slates to Congress and the National Archives.
6. President Trump summoned and assembled a violent mob in Washington and directed them to march on the US Capitol.
7. As the violence was underway, President Trump ignored multiple pleas for assistance and failed to take immediate action to stop the violence and instruct his supporters to leave the Capitol.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/09/polit...lan/index.html

Man, Sounds like Trump thought this was a different country or something. To think how the country would be if he had won. Hunger Games?

It's truly horrifying what he did (yet again), and even (somehow) worse, the majority of the GQP believes Trump's lies re the election.

And Trump could still run and win in 2024.

[Logwyn]

It's truly horrifying what he did (yet again), and even (somehow) worse, the majority of the GQP believes Trump's lies re the election.

And Trump could still run and win in 2024.

I do not think he is found guilty of the above. Some of that is almost treason level.

[Paranoid Android]

Garland has been very disappointing in going after people. Maybe that's me wanting results now and I could be wrong. Yet, if this is going to be some last minute, meaning in 2023 and 2024, prosecutions than it's moot. They will be buried. I still stand that Garland is an empty suit.

Struck by how clearly and unambiguously Liz Cheney argues that actions on multiple fronts by Trump (and others) in his 7-stage conspiracy to overturn election were not just wrong, but illegal - the committee is both paving a path for, and pointing a finger at, Merrick Garland.

Umm yeah. As in my previous post and looking at social media takes that Garland is sleeping here. Without these hearings right now, Garland has been asleep for two years now. I'm really worried.

- - - Updated - - -

[LIST=1][*]President Trump corruptly pressured Vice President Pence to refuse to count certified electoral votes in violation of the US Constitution and the law.
[*]President Trump corruptly pressured state election officials, and state legislators, to change election results.


https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/09/polit...lan/index.html

Man, Sounds like Trump thought this was a different country or something. To think how the country would be if he had won. Hunger Games?

Bold was my 2nd impeachment offense when this happened in December(?).

The frightening part is the Fascist Party learned and is now targeting Secretary of States or making laws that whoever oversees the elections can be overruled. Also trying to have their people at the poll counting contest ballots.

[gondrin]

Remember folks. The Jan 6 committee investigation is just a distraction. Distraction to take you away from the real problems of the world like the shrinking of tortilla shells. Why won't anyone think of the tacos?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...aa7a236ba9a2be

GOP Lawmaker Invokes Tortillas To Scramble Away From Jan. 6 Discussion

Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) gave a “corny” take on what Americans are discussing instead of the Jan. 6 hearings.

Biggs, who the Jan. 6 committee identified as one of a number of Republicans who sought a presidential pardon following the attack, argued the hearings were a distraction from manufacturers shrinking package sizes to deal with inflation.

The congressman pointed to one item in particular that Americans are talking about: tortillas.

“They don’t want you talking about, ‘Hey, the size of that pack of tortillas that I just bought last week before it came out, it used to look like the regular corn tortillas, now they look like mini tortillas,’” Biggs said on the same floor where U.S. Capitol Police officers drew guns at a mob on Jan. 6, 2021.

Biggs is one of a number of Republicans who the committee identified as taking part in discussions with former President Donald Trump and were “involved in the planning and coordination of certain activities on and before” the Jan. 6 riot.

Far-right activist Ali Alexander, who organized the “Stop the Steal” campaign that rallied behind Trump’s false 2020 election claims, pointed to Biggs as “instrumental” in pulling the effort “together,” The Arizona Republic reported.

He and other GOP lawmakers have refused to work with the committee as it looks to piece together the events surrounding Jan. 6, according to the newspaper.

Twitter users were quick to poke fun at the congressman’s wrap-based remarks.