Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[postman1782]

FBI executes search warrant on top Nevada Republican who was a Trump Phony Elector

FBI seized the cellphone of State Republican Michael McDonald in connection of the fake electors scheme that was made by Trump and Guiliani. A second search warrant was issued for the Republican Nevada state party secretary James DeGraffenreid, who also signed the fake electors document, but for some reason, they couldn't find him.



Here is them being fucking stupid and doing the work for them signing their fake document December 20th. Thanks for doing the FBI's work for them. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM in that picture, and every other state that did this, should get the same treatment, trial and convictions for this bullshit.

[DarkTZeratul]

Even if it is the former, in that he thinks his testimony will "save" Trump... some of the most damning evidence so far have come from "Pro-trump sources" because they aren't smart enough to realize what they're saying Trump did is actually wildly illegal, regardless of whether they supported him doing it or not.

Like how Georgia Republican Party Chairman David Schafer said of sending electoral votes for Trump to ensure he could continue pushing his voter fraud lawsuit, "There's been no credible suggestion that there's anything wrong. We made it very clear what we were doing. We did it right out in the open." Because apparently if you openly commit a crime and tell everyone about the crime you're committing, that somehow makes it not a crime.

[Poopymonster]

I don't get why. I'm not the only person here who thinks Pence can't run. He might want the Trump voters, but he can't get them. Trump will say "no" and that's that. It's a cult, after all.

He knows they are psychotic. He knows they once tried to kill him. He knows they would try again. He'll say almost anything publicly to keep his own ass alive, and mother's. Kinda trying to dodge the just or unjust reward in the afterlife he subscribes to, but make of that what you will.

[Shadowferal]

I don't get why. I'm not the only person here who thinks Pence can't run. He might want the Trump voters, but he can't get them. Trump will say "no" and that's that. It's a cult, after all.

When the gop primary kicks in I want to believe that Trump will be either too busy fending off the results of the Jan 6th committee, or he'll be fitted for orange coveralls (matching his hair nicely). Or God will finally take pity on the rest of the world and demand Trump’s presence for a long overdue conversation.
In either case I believe the RNC will only be backing Pence. And I'm pretty sure Pence knows the only chance he has is to get Trump votes. A challenge in of itself. Most of that lot doesn't like him, and the feeling is mutual.

[solinari6]

In either case I believe the RNC will only be backing Pence. And I'm pretty sure Pence knows the only chance he has is to get Trump votes. A challenge in of itself. Most of that lot doesn't like him, and the feeling is mutual.

The RNC will be backing Desantis if Trump doesn't run. Pence has zero chance of getting any support from anyone.

[Shadowferal]

The RNC will be backing Desantis if Trump doesn't run. Pence has zero chance of getting any support from anyone.

Forgot about that Desaad wannabe. Hehe and how does Trump feel about him..rhetorical question.

[Breccia]

Or God will finally take pity on the rest of the world and demand Trump’s presence for a long overdue conversation.

"What part of 'Thou Shalt Not' didneth thou not understand?"
"But bigly--"
"And you wanted to drag COVID to church? The hell, man?"

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1540020170390851584

People attended the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt because..."they're smart", according to Trump.

Fuckin lol.

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgy8...6-pardon-trump

Matt Gaetz, Mo Brooks, Andy Biggs, Louie Gohmert, and Scott Perry all requested pre-emptive pardons, with Jim Jordan reportedly asking more generally about White House plans for Congressional pardons and potentially Marjorie Taylor Greene as well.

I can't remember the last time 5+ House Democrats asked the outgoing Democratic president for a pardon just in case.

[masterhorus8]

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1540020170390851584

People attended the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt because..."they're smart", according to Trump.

Fuckin lol.

- - - Updated - - -

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgy8...6-pardon-trump

Matt Gaetz, Mo Brooks, Andy Biggs, Louie Gohmert, and Scott Perry all requested pre-emptive pardons, with Jim Jordan reportedly asking more generally about White House plans for Congressional pardons and potentially Marjorie Taylor Greene as well.

I can't remember the last time 5+ House Democrats asked the outgoing Democratic president for a pardon just in case.

Do you think those requests can be used as evidence of them doing something that they actively knew was illegal? Pardons can't do much else...

[Edge-]

Do you think those requests can be used as evidence of them doing something that they actively knew was illegal? Pardons can't do much else...

Not in the slightest.

[cubby]

Do you think those requests can be used as evidence of them doing something that they actively knew was illegal? Pardons can't do much else...

I would respectfully disagree with Edge on this point. If someone is asking for a Pardon, and they have no prior convictions, there must be a concern that a conviction could be coming up in the future. I don't think the request alone would lead anywhere, but it could be used as circumstantial evidence.

[postman1782]

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1540020170390851584

People attended the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt because..."they're smart", according to Trump.

Fuckin lol.

- - - Updated - - -

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgy8...6-pardon-trump

Matt Gaetz, Mo Brooks, Andy Biggs, Louie Gohmert, and Scott Perry all requested pre-emptive pardons, with Jim Jordan reportedly asking more generally about White House plans for Congressional pardons and potentially Marjorie Taylor Greene as well.

I can't remember the last time 5+ House Democrats asked the outgoing Democratic president for a pardon just in case.

So did Marjorie TrailorTrash Greene.

[Blur4stuff]

The best thing pardon requests will do is convince more Americans that Trump and his people were breaking the law and deserve to be prosecuted. For a shitstorm of this magnitude you absolutely need a large portion of the country's support. This certainly pushes that along.

At this point I think nearly all dems, most independents, and even a significant portion of republicans understand that Trump and his people tried to take over the country. Anything else the committee can add to that will help.

I'd even wager many Trump supporters know what he did was illegal and wrong. They would just rather he gotten away with it.

[beanman12345]

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1540020170390851584

People attended the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt because..."they're smart", according to Trump.

Fuckin lol.

- - - Updated - - -

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgy8...6-pardon-trump

Matt Gaetz, Mo Brooks, Andy Biggs, Louie Gohmert, and Scott Perry all requested pre-emptive pardons, with Jim Jordan reportedly asking more generally about White House plans for Congressional pardons and potentially Marjorie Taylor Greene as well.

I can't remember the last time 5+ House Democrats asked the outgoing Democratic president for a pardon just in case.

And Gaetz asked in early December. Had nothing to do with the Jan 6th and everything to do with barr opening investigation into the kiddy diddler.

[Edge-]

Ron Johnson, having already been expertly mocked by Monica Lewinsky for blaming an intern for the packet of alternate electors his chief of staff wanted to deliver to Mike Pence, isn't so sure about the intern bit anymore.

Now he's blaming Rep. Mike Kelly from PA. Who apparently delivered a slate of alternate electors for Michigan and Wisconsin which...is weird since Mike Kelly is from neither of those states, while Ron Johnson is actually a Senator from Wisconsin, which just happens to be across the lake from Michigan.

For context, PA does not share any land or water border with the state of Michigan. Just NY, Ohio, and Canada.

[Edge-]

Minor correction, Lake Erie exists.

It does, but PA's borders extend northward towards the Canadian border. The water that actually borders Michigan is part of Ohio, who border PA and prevent a shared border between PA and MI.

[Endus]

I would respectfully disagree with Edge on this point. If someone is asking for a Pardon, and they have no prior convictions, there must be a concern that a conviction could be coming up in the future. I don't think the request alone would lead anywhere, but it could be used as circumstantial evidence.

I think the specific aspect here is that an acceptance of a pardon is, necessarily, an admission of guilt. That's why some people, seeking to clear their names, will refuse a pardon.

If you're actively asking for a pardon, that can be considered a demonstration of at least the awareness that your actions may have broken the law. It can't be construed as a confession or guilty plea, but if you're seeking to establish that they were aware their actions were illegal? I think it functions just fine for that.

[postman1782]

HOLY SHIT! Mo Brooks is spilling the tea now.

https://www.rawstory.com/mo-brooks-pardon/

Here is how it goes:

"Dear Mollie [sic]: President Trump told me to send you this letter," it begins. "This letter is pursuant to a request from [Congressman] Matt Gaetz [R-Florida]."

It is clear that deep-pocketed and vitriolic Socialist Democrats (with perhaps some liberal Republican help) are going to abuse America's judicial system by targeting numerous Republicans with sham charges deriving from our recent fight for honest and accurate elections and speeches related thereto.

As such, I recommend that President [sic] give general (all purpose) pardons to the following groups of people:

Every Republican who signed the Amicus brief in the Texas lawsuit against other states deriving from their violation of Article I, Section 4 (and, perhaps, other) provision [sic] of the United States Constitution.

Every Congressman and Senator who voted to rejected the electoral college vote submissions of Arizona and Pennsylvania.

America cannot simply permit Socialist Democrats to abuse Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association [this is not in the Constitution], United States Constitution [sic] and various federal statutes via their often-used strategy of abusing the judicial process via private organizations they fund or the prosecutorial arm they will soon control.

Thank you for your consideration.

Mo Brooks

@Breccia @cubby @Edge-

[cubby]

I think the specific aspect here is that an acceptance of a pardon is, necessarily, an admission of guilt. That's why some people, seeking to clear their names, will refuse a pardon.

If you're actively asking for a pardon, that can be considered a demonstration of at least the awareness that your actions may have broken the law. It can't be construed as a confession or guilty plea, but if you're seeking to establish that they were aware their actions were illegal? I think it functions just fine for that.

And that's where my position was resting - that requesting one in the light of no previous convictions, could be construed as knowing that you'd possibly done something illegal.

[masterhorus8]

I think the specific aspect here is that an acceptance of a pardon is, necessarily, an admission of guilt. That's why some people, seeking to clear their names, will refuse a pardon.

If you're actively asking for a pardon, that can be considered a demonstration of at least the awareness that your actions may have broken the law. It can't be construed as a confession or guilty plea, but if you're seeking to establish that they were aware their actions were illegal? I think it functions just fine for that.

Yeah, mostly this. The main point that'd have to be provided is the specifics/context for why they're asking for it.

Otherwise, just asking for a pardon without any clear specific doesn't mean much. It's just them saying that they know they did "something" wrong.

But also, using it as a point of what cubby is saying of knowing that they did something wrong. So a combo of what you're both saying.